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France Could offer to Sell Mistrals Built for Russia to China or India
Published May 11, 2015 | By admin
SOURCE: SPUTNIK

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France is rumored to be trying to sell a Mistral-class amphibious assault ship to China, while two French warships are on a seven-day visit to Shanghai, Watch China Times reported, adding that the French Navy is likely to offer the Mistrals built for Russia for sale instead of constructing new ones.

In an unlikely coincidence, the task force visiting China consists of two warships, one of which is a Mistral-class protection and command (BPC) ship, the Dixmude. This is the first time a Mistral entered a Chinese port.
Under a $1.3-billion deal Russia and France signed in 2011, Paris was supposed to deliver the Vladivostok in November 2014 and the Sevastopol in early 2015.

None of the ships arrived to Russia, since the deliveries were put on hold over Moscow’s alleged involvement in the Ukrainian civil war. Kremlin has repeatedly denied these groundless claims and pushed for peace in the war-torn nation.

Meanwhile, the fate of the two Mistrals built and adapted to meet the specifications provided by the Russian Navy remains in limbo. Last month, French President Francois Hollande said Paris would return the payment for the warships if the contract is terminated.

Several other options are reportedly under consideration – to sink the two Mistrals, to hand them over to the French Navy or to sell them to a third party. The Watch China Times named Brazil, Canada, China, Egypt and India as potential buyers.

China is developing its own as of yet unnamed amphibious assault ship but could buy a Mistral to use as a model, the media outlet noted.Selling Mistrals commissioned by Russia may prove harder than it seems. Last week, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin warned that France could not sell the helicopter carriers without Russia’s permission. He added that Paris was fully aware of that.

The other French ship, accompanying the Dixmude on the visit to China, is the Aconit, a La Fayette-class frigate. The French task force arrived at the Wusong naval port on May 9 and will leave on May 15.
 
Very unlikely. The Chinese have already developed several models of LHD vessels that could be built for export as well as domestic use.
 
Very unlikely. The Chinese have already developed several models of LHD vessels that could be built for export as well as domestic use.

Not only domestic production of an LHD, but the EU's arms embargo on China is problematic too:

EU arms embargo on China — www.sipri.org

However, both France and the UK have shown a willingness to forge their own paths and deal with China in defense procurement. France in particular has shunned lethal arms, but has provided the AS-365N Dauphin-2 helicopter - to be noted this was done in the time since the embargo was enacted.

This can't be ruled out, but the source of the articles, Sputnik International and WantChinaTimes are suspect and dubious at best.
 
Not only domestic production of an LHD, but the EU's arms embargo on China is problematic too:

EU arms embargo on China — www.sipri.org

However, both France and the UK have shown a willingness to forge their own paths, France in particular has shunned lethal arms, but has provided the AS-365N Dauphin-2 helicopter - to be noted this was done in the time since the embargo was enacted.

That is true as well, although France has been quite independent and outspoken in this regard, historically-speaking.
 
Why would the Chinese buy it when they are already building it themselves?

Also, we have changed our procurement policies. Which means we won't be buying anything completely off the shelf. A part of the sale has to be made in India itself.

It would have been possible if they had sold us one directly and offered to build the other two here. Don't see how Navy would see this.

That is true as well, although France has been quite independent and outspoken in this regard, historically-speaking.

Now they are a part of NATO.

I don't think their historical neutrality matters.

They keep entering and exiting NATO now and then.
 
Why would the Chinese buy it when they are already building it themselves?

Also, we have changed our procurement policies. Which means we won't be buying anything completely off the shelf. A part of the sale has to be made in India itself.

It would have been possible if they had sold us one directly and offered to build the other two here. Don't see how Navy would see this.



Now they are a part of NATO.

I don't think their historical neutrality matters.

They keep entering and exiting NATO now and then.

It is the EU that has an arms embargo against Beijing, not NATO.
 
Also, we have changed our procurement policies. Which means we won't be buying anything completely off the shelf. A part of the sale has to be made in India itself.

It would have been possible if they had sold us one directly and offered to build the other two here. Don't see how Navy would see this.

Depends on how attractive the offer is. Foolish to be rigid when a gift horse looks you in the face (if it does, that is)
 
Depends on how attractive the offer is. Foolish to be rigid when a gift horse looks you in the face (if it does, that is)

I agree. But where is the skill behind it? That's what we need in the long term. We cannot dismantle one of them and re-engineer them quickly like Chinese can and therefore we have to start learning from scratch.

The offer is tempting no doubt; but without the initiative of getting them made here alongside technologies, it is simply not possible for us to make them one day in our own docks.
 
Very unlikely. The Chinese have already developed several models of LHD vessels that could be built for export as well as domestic use.

Like chinese have developed many coppies of S300 but still buys russian S 400 for air defense.
 
Like chinese have developed many coppies of S300 but still buys russian S 400 for air defense.

The S-400 purchase, which may or may not be true, has nothing to do with whatever prospects the Mistral has of being exported to the PLAN.
 
Not only domestic production of an LHD, but the EU's arms embargo on China is problematic too:

EU arms embargo on China — www.sipri.org

However, both France and the UK have shown a willingness to forge their own paths and deal with China in defense procurement. France in particular has shunned lethal arms, but has provided the AS-365N Dauphin-2 helicopter - to be noted this was done in the time since the embargo was enacted.

This can't be ruled out, but the source of the articles, Sputnik International and WantChinaTimes are suspect and dubious at best.
They have no excuse this time, Strikingly this vessel is not for civil.
 
The S-400 purchase, which may or may not be true, has nothing to do with whatever prospects the Mistral has of being exported to the PLAN.

It seems that You are either Chinese president or PLA chief who kow better than the reports already published.
 
Custom built for Russians?

No thanks France. We would like something custom made for us.

However there is a way. France could sell those ships to India with Russian consent and then India can lease them to Russia for as long as Russians want. This way French would not be selling those ships to Russia directly but eventually Russia will get it.
Every body goes home happy.
 
Depends on how attractive the offer is. Foolish to be rigid when a gift horse looks you in the face (if it does, that is)
PLAN doesn't need this. Its payload can't fulfill the its appetite, We need LHD like USSN swap class. At least 40000tons
 

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