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Behind China’s Hindu temples, a forgotten history

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In and around Quanzhou, a bustling industrial city, there are shrines that historians believe may have been part of a network of more than a dozen Hindu temples and shrines
For the residents of Chedian, a few thousand-year-old village of muddy by-lanes and old stone courtyard houses, she is just another form of Guanyin, the female Bodhisattva who is venerated in many parts of China.


But the goddess that the residents of this village pray to every morning, as they light incense sticks and chant prayers, is quite unlike any deity one might find elsewhere in China. Sitting cross-legged, the four-armed goddess smiles benignly, flanked by two attendants, with an apparently vanquished demon lying at her feet.

Local scholars are still unsure about her identity, but what they do know is that this shrine’s unique roots lie not in China, but in far away south India. The deity, they say, was either brought to Quanzhou — a thriving port city that was at the centre of the region’s maritime commerce a few centuries ago — by Tamil traders who worked here some 800 years ago, or perhaps more likely, crafted by local sculptors at their behest.

“This is possibly the only temple in China where we are still praying to a Hindu God,” says Li San Long, a Chedian resident, with a smile.


Even though most of the villagers still think she is Guanyin!” Mr. Li said the village temple collapsed some 500 years ago, but villagers dug through the rubble, saved the deity and rebuilt the temple, believing that the goddess brought them good fortune — a belief that some, at least, still adhere to.

The Chedian shrine is just one of what historians believe may have been a network of more than a dozen Hindu temples or shrines, including two grand big temples, built in Quanzhou and surrounding villages by a community of Tamil traders who lived here during the Song (960-1279) and Yuan (1279-1368) dynasties.

At the time, this port city was among the busiest in the world and was a thriving centre of regional maritime commerce.

The history of Quanzhou’s temples and Tamil links was largely forgotten until the 1930s, when dozens of stones showing perfectly rendered images of the god Narasimha — the man-lion avatar of Vishnu — were unearthed by a Quanzhou archaeologist called Wu Wenliang. Elephant statues and images narrating mythological stories related to Vishnu and Shiva were also found, bearing a style and pattern that was almost identical to what was evident in the temples of Tamil Nadu and Andhra Pradesh from a similar period.

Wu’s discoveries received little attention at the time as his country was slowly emerging from the turmoil of the Japanese occupation, the Second World War and the civil war. It took more than a decade after the Communists came to power in 1949 for the stones and statues to even be placed in a museum, known today as the Quanzhou Maritime Museum.

“It is difficult to say how many temples there were, and how many were destroyed or fell to ruin,” the museum’s vice curator Wang Liming told The Hindu. “But we have found them spread across so many different sites that we are very possibly talking about many temples that were built across Quanzhou.”

Today, most of the sculptures and statues are on display in the museum, which also showcases a map that leaves little doubt about the remarkable spread of the discoveries. The sites stretch across more than a dozen locations located all over the city and in the surrounding county. The most recent discoveries were made in the 1980s, and it is possible, says Ms. Wang, that there are old sites yet to be discovered.

The Maritime Museum has now opened a special exhibit showcasing Quanzhou’s south Indian links. Ms. Wang says there is a renewed interest — and financial backing — from the local government to do more to showcase what she describes as the city’s “1000-year-old history with south India,” which has been largely forgotten, not only in China but also in India.

“There is still a lot we don't know about this period,” she says, “so if we can get any help from Indian scholars, we would really welcome it as this is something we need to study together. Most of the stones come from the 13th century Yuan Dynasty, which developed close trade links with the kingdoms of southern India. We believe that the designs were brought by the traders, but the work was probably done by Chinese workers.”

Ms. Wang says the earliest record of an Indian residing in Quanzhou dates back to the 6th century. An inscription found on the Yanfu temple from the Song Dynasty describes how the monk Gunaratna, known in China as Liang Putong, translated sutras from Sanskrit. Trade particularly flourished in the 13th century Yuan Dynasty. In 1271, a visiting Italian merchant recorded that the Indian traders “were recognised easily.”

“These rich Indian men and women mainly live on vegetables, milk and rice,” he wrote, unlike the Chinese “who eat meat and fish.” The most striking legacy of this period of history is still on public display in a hidden corner of the 7th century Kaiyuan Buddhist Temple, which is today Quanzhou’s biggest temple and is located in the centre of the old town. A popular attraction for Chinese Buddhists, the temple receives a few thousand visitors every day. In a corner behind the temple, there are at least half a dozen pillars displaying an extraordinary variety of inscriptions from Hindu mythology. A panel of inscriptions depicting the god Narasimha also adorns the steps leading up to the main shrine, which houses a Buddha statue. Huang Yishan, a temple caretaker whose family has, for generations, owned the land on which the temple was built, says the inscriptions are perhaps the most unique part of the temple, although he laments that most of his compatriots are unaware of this chapter of history. On a recent afternoon, as a stream of visitors walked up the steps to offer incense sticks as they prayed to Buddha, none spared a glance at the panel of inscriptions. Other indicators from Quanzhou’s rich but forgotten past lie scattered through what is now a modern and bustling industrial city, albeit a town that today lies in the shadow of the provincial capital Xiamen and the more prosperous port city of Guangzhou to the far south.

A few kilometres from the Kaiyuan temple stands a striking several metre-high Shiva lingam in the centre of the popular Bamboo Stone Park. To the city’s residents, however, the lingam is merely known as a rather unusually shaped “bamboo stone,” another symbol of history that still stays hidden in plain sight.







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Barack Obama or Badrinathan Rama??

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Dear blind bhakts,Barack Obama was a Tamil Brahmin and his actual name was Badrinathan Rama. After his birth in South India, his parents shifted him to Africa fearing that a black-complexioned Brahmin boy would be socially unacceptable in India. Badri later moved on to become President of United States due to his Brahmanical gunas and Virat Hindu-roots.
According to my Secret sources PM Modi convinced him for his GharWapsi during is last visit,
Mr President has agreed to convert and accept his Hindu Ancestry, but is reportedly unhappy with a meager 2 Lacs rupees as compensation.
According to my sources Obama has demanded 100% FDI to be allowed in multi-brand retail and many other sectors instead of 2 Lacs as compensation.

We have cancelled his Taj Mahal trip and now planning to take him to Ayodhya to lay foundation stone for Ram Mandir.
Below pic was taken before Obama moved to Africa.
 
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All of Indinesia was either Hindu or Animist. After Islam invaded Indonesia, Hinduism is left only on Island of Bali and in some parts of Java.

Hinduism in Indonesia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also only Empire which unified Indonesia before arrival of Dutch East India company was Mahapajit Empire, A HIndu Empire centered in Java.

Majapahit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Most of Indians do not know this (including religious people) and because of this ignorance of History,Bali Hindus have been denied entry in temples which does not allow entry of non-Hindus because Bali Hindus does not look like standard Hindus.

Dutch used muslim help to conquer and subjugate last Hindu Kingdom in Java ,Kingdom of Blambangan, and forced it's inhabitants and rulers to convert to Islam so as to cut them from their ally, Bali.

AS you can see Dutch East India company did it'd part to promote it's abrahmic cousin.

Osing people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kingdom of Blambangan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bali was last to fell to Dutch. It's resistance ended when its nobility commited mass suicide rather than being humiliated by Dutch in 1906.

Puputan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are some Hindus of Osing ethnicity left.

Kaharingan of Kalimatan are also predominantly Hindu.

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Another was Kingdom of Champa in Vietnam. Champa was a kingdom in Vietnam that existed till 1832, when it was destroyed by Dai-Viet. Chams were majorly Hindus with some Muslims, but due to massacre of Chams as hands of Dai-Viets, demography of Chams has turned Muslim. It was because Muslims ran away to sultunate of malay and China to save themselves while Hindus did not had anywhere to run and were slaughtered. Today in Cham, Hindu Cham form majority but it Vietnam government allows return of Muslim chams, they would become minority.

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In Vietnam there are three groups ofCham.

ChamBalamon and ChamBani live in the traditional territory of the old Champa Kingdom after it got conquered by Vietnam. They continued to stay and did not flee.

1.ChamBalamon are ChamHindus. They are still Hindus today and practice Hindu beliefs from the old Champa Kingdom. They have Priests and believe in Hindu Gods and they still hold the old Hindu Temples in Champa as sacred.

2.ChamBani are ChamMuslims. Their Islam is heavily mixed with Hinduism, their beliefs are a mixture of Hindu and Islam rituals, they incorporate some Hindu Gods and identify them with Islamic figures like Adam and Hawwah (Eve). They have priests who conduct rituals and observe Ramuwan (Ramadan) for three days only, and leave offerings and prayers to their ancestors during the holiday.

The ChamBalamon still use the old Chamscript which is derived from the Indic Brahmi scripts, to write theirChamlanguage. I think I read that theChamBani also use the oldChamscript.

3. The Chamin the Mekong Delta are Muslims. They migrated out of the old Champa territory to escape from the Vietnamese and settled in the Mekong (which was also later conquered and annexed by Vietnam anyway). TheseChammixed and intermarried with Malay Muslim merchants from the Malayan peninsula. Their Islam is more orthodox Islam, like the Islam practiced in Malaysia in the Middle East. They don't mix Islam with Hinduism. They can also speak Malay. They don't identify with Champa as much as they identify more with Islam.




"From La-tho we have a platter and a pitcher both inscribed in South Indian characters of a very early age, not later than the sixth century A.D. The platter is made of an alloy in which silver predominates, and the inscription on it reads: Sri-vanāntesvara. The pitcher is of silver and bears a sloka:

Vanāntaresvarāyāsmai Srīmate divayakīrttaye
Campāpurapati raupyam kalasam sraddhyātmanah"


Here is a king of Campā presenting silver vessels to a Siva temple and recording his act in a correct Sanskrit verse.This tell us the reach of Hinduism in Champa.Champa suffered terribly in war against China in AD 431-436. It existed in attenuated state till 1832 when it was finallt extinguished by Dai-Viets.



Balinese and Chams are major non-Indic genuine Hindu groups in world, with other mentioned being minor one.


In History, Cambodia was Hindu majority and Thailand was Hindu and Buddhisit mix. Angor Vat is originally dedicated to Shiva. Khmer kings imported a great number of brahmins of kaundinya lineage.Phnom bakong inscription records import of brahmins from India.The khmer kings called themselves and this region kambujiya(Modern kampuchea/cambodia).



Islam had a much stronger poisionous effect on India and Indics. Not only we lost our cultural sphere which extended till Uzbekistan and turned our own blood against us, we also lost SE Asia which was rapidly Hinduising but where Hinduism suffered when it came under Islamic plague.


This is the reason that I believe that every convert to Islam or Christianity is a race traitor and should be treated as such. Pakistan is evidence of what damage a warmongering cult of moon god could do to civilization.It turn your blood against you.


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The reason that only 1 billion Hindus are there is that ....Hindu rulers teach how to rule with responsibility

Hinduism in the past treat all relegions as sect
 
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ok let me contribute then

Barack Obama or Badrinathan Rama??

10898144_1551200855138499_2186302259798397207_n.jpg



Dear blind bhakts,Barack Obama was a Tamil Brahmin and his actual name was Badrinathan Rama. After his birth in South India, his parents shifted him to Africa fearing that a black-complexioned Brahmin boy would be socially unacceptable in India. Badri later moved on to become President of United States due to his Brahmanical gunas and Virat Hindu-roots.
According to my Secret sources PM Modi convinced him for his GharWapsi during is last visit,
Mr President has agreed to convert and accept his Hindu Ancestry, but is reportedly unhappy with a meager 2 Lacs rupees as compensation.
According to my sources Obama has demanded 100% FDI to be allowed in multi-brand retail and many other sectors instead of 2 Lacs as compensation.

We have cancelled his Taj Mahal trip and now planning to take him to Ayodhya to lay foundation stone for Ram Mandir.
Below pic was taken before Obama moved to Africa.

Time to show your real flags man
 
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Origin of European gypsy population traced to north-western India - The Hindu

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Scientists at the Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology (CCMB) have said that they have cracked the mystery surrounding the origin and migration of the Roma (gypsy) population.

A team of international scientists led by CCMB’s Kumarasamy Thangaraj concluded that the aboriginal scheduled tribe and scheduled caste population of north-western India, traditionally referred as Doma and also as Dalits, are the most likely ancestral population of modern European Roma.

The development assumes significance in view of the curiosity surrounding the parental lineage of the European gypsy population.

Though linguistic and genetic studies of the European Roma have been traced to Eurasia, the exact parental population group and time of dispersal remained disputed in the absence of archaeological evidence and scanty historical documentation of the Roma.

The study found that the exile time of the Roma founders from India could be approximately put at 1,405 years ago.

The conclusion was arrived at after an exhaustive study involving screening of about 10,000 males around the world, including 7,000 hailing from 205 ethnic population of India to discern a more precise ancestral source of Romani (gypsy) population.

Single founder

Dr. Thangaraj explained that all males of a family or a population evolved from a single founder make and would possess the same Y chromosome.

Based on the genetic signature that exists on the Y chromosome, every male could be assigned to a specific group (haplogroup), enabling tracing of parental lineage using these signatures.

It was shown that the European Roma possessed the Y chromosome haplogroup Hlala. The most recent common ancestor of European Roma was not identified because of the absence of similar data from their putative homeland, India.

“We have compared the worldwide phylogeographical data for Indian Hlala haplotypes with Roma and concluded that Doma are most likely ancestral populations,” he said.

George van Driem, a linguist from University of Bern, Switzerland, who was part of the team, said the finding corroborated the similarity in the terms Roma and Doma and resolved the controversy about Gangetic Plain and Punjab in favour of north-western portion from where widespread range of Doma population diffused.

Linguistic, Indological studies

Another member Gyaneshwer Chaubey said it was noteworthy that the closest as well as matching haplotypes with Roma were found only in the SC/ST populations of northwest India.

This corroborated the linguistic evidence and most recent reconstruction of the likely ethno-linguistic origins and affinities of gypsies based on linguistic and Indological studies, he said.
 
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Hindus want Gypsies culture and history to be in school textbooks of Europe

Hindus stress that apartheid, atrocities, psychological pressure and pain faced by Roman Gypsies along with Roman culture and history should appear in the history textbooks of European schools.
Hindus want culture and historical atrocities on Gypsies culture and history be included in school textbooks of Europe.

President of Universal Society of Hinduism Rajan Zed, in a expression in Nevada (USA) today, stated that Europe had been practically ignoring many mass atrocities and repression suffered by Roma for centuries; including those associated with Holocaust, concentration camps, holocaust, fascist grim and maltreatment, serfdom, internment, discharge, mob violence, etc.

Gypsies Culture and History
Inclusion of atrocities against Roma in Europe over centuries, Rajan Zed said that, ‘ Gypsies culture and history in school curriculum would bring transparency and better understanding among coming generations of the communities.’

Rajan Zed also recommended building memorials esteeming Roma victims of maltreatment over centuries and museums displaying Gypsies culture, history and traditions and apartheid faced by them. When would this group of about 15-million Gypsies, living in Europe since around ninth century, be treated fairly just like other Europeans, historians ask.
 
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Hinduism is a giant tree ..There are so many branches ..since in it pure form it deals with athma and paramathma all people of world will come under its sphere ..There are no compulsions ..Its just a ongoing spiritual journey ..Terming it as a religion is not correct ..An atheist can be a hindu at same time ..
 
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