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Now stop being a moron. You only look like a troll and an ignorant moron. You claim no mosques have been converted into churches in Greece. Get lost you moron. Many mosques have been converted into churches and bell towers in Greece.

Architect traces Ottoman works converted into churches​


Master architect Yilmaz says 329 Ottoman works turned into churches and bell towers across Europe​


Kubra Kara | 17.07.2020



Architect traces Ottoman works converted into churches






ISTANBUL
Searching and traveling across the lands that constituted the Ottoman Empire, a master architect traced Turkish buildings in 18 countries and found at least 329 of them turned into churches or bell towers.
Speaking to Anadolu Agency, Mehmet Emin Yilmaz said he traced Turkish architectural works for 10 years and identified the mosques, Islamic monasteries and shrines that are turned into bell towers.
Starting at the Balkans initially, Yilmaz said: "I first concentrated on Hungary, Bulgaria and Greece. Because most of the buildings converted into churches are in these three countries."
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"Later, I identified 329 Turkish architectural buildings such as mosques, small mosques, Islamic monasteries, shrines that were converted into churches at various times in a total of 18 countries including Algeria, Ukraine, Crimea, Georgia, Armenia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Cyprus, Croatia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Moldova, Romania, Serbia and Turkey," he added.
Giving a country-wise breakdown, he said: "A total of 117 mosques, seven Islamic monasteries and shrines and a madrasah (Islamic school) were converted into churches and three clock towers into bell towers in Bulgaria; in Croatia eight mosques and a [historic] tower into churches; in Crimea six mosques, a shrine into churches; in Kosovo a mosque into a church and a clock tower into a bell tower.
"In Ukraine two mosques were turned into a church and a minaret into a bell tower; in Macedonia three mosques, two shrines and two clock towers into churches; in Serbia 15 mosques and two shrines into churches; in Georgia and Azerbaijan a mosque form each were turned into churches during the Russian invasion; three mosques in Bosnia and Herzegovina were turned into churches during the Austrian invasion."
Yilmaz further said: "Three mosques in Algeria were turned into churches during the French invasion, two mosques in Armenia into churches. In South Cyprus a fountain, in Moldova four mosques and in Romania five mosques were all turned into churches."
"In Hungary 23 mosques, five shrines, a bathhouse and a school were turned into churches, however Hungarians are the only nation in Europe who did not convert any Turkish architecture into churches. All of the conversion of churches was done during the Austrian invasion," he added.

Greece stands out
Yilmaz said Greece has the most Turkish architecture that is "still in use" and added that the country converted 76 mosques, 19 shrines and a minaret into churches.

In addition, Greece also converted five minarets into bell towers, changing 101 architectural works.
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Yilmaz said the Turkish architectural works were converted over political and spatial reasons and added: "Large monumental Turkish buildings and especially minarets in the city centers are seen as the first target to be destroyed due its symbolism of Turkish domination and Islam. It is deeply saddening that in only one night in Sofia in 1878, seven minarets were destroyed with dynamites."
"Mosques are the most converted architectures into churches. I have identified 272 mosques and masjids. Aside from the mosques, 36 monasteries and shrines are turned into churches. There are clock towers turned into bell towers and minarets that bells were mounted on," he said.
A tower in Croatia, a reservoir of a fountain in Southern Cyprus, a prayer area in Greece was converted into Orthodox worship areas, Yilmaz added.
"A church was built inside a caravansary in Serbia. So it is not only mosques but also monasteries, shrines, minarets, towers, bathhouses, fountains and workhouses belonging to Turkish architecture that were turned into churches," he said.

Destruction
Yilmaz noted that components such as the domes and arches reflecting Turkish architecture were purposely destroyed and the architecture of those buildings altered.
"However, no matter how much they alter it the main walls, in which we call them main outer wall, face the qibla [direction toward Mecca] and cannot be changed, thus allowing us to identify the converted mosques. I was able to identify the Mustafa Pasha Mosque in Budapest this way," he said.
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Yilmaz stressed that there is no other nation that respects architectural works more than the Turkish nation, and said: "Turks were never hung-up on old civilizations and that is why we never intervened to the architectural components of those works that were turned into mosques. The best example to this is the Hagia Sophia Mosque."
"We have doted upon it [Hagia Sophia] since 1453, without interfering with the church features. We only added mihrab, minbar [Islamic pulpil] and minaret. When you look at it from outside, you can easily understand that it was once a church... However, the architectural features of the mosques that Europeans turned into churches have completely been changed."
He stated that his goal in this archive research was to register the Turkish works with documents.
Yilmaz, who has been researching Turkish architectural works for nearly 20 years, has been involved in many restoration projects at home and abroad.
He established the Turkish Architectural Research Center. The book from his research between 2010-2020, Turkish Works Converted Into Churches will soon be published.

*Writing by Merve Aydogan in Ankara

Now get lost.
First of all,the guy's name is Yilmaz. He's a Turk. Writing done by "Merve Aydogan".

Second,that's bullshit. Those were churches and not converted mosques. "Traces Ottoman architecture",yeah no shit Sherlock,if you look at Ottoman mosque architecture,you'll find Byzantine and Persian influences.

You're an unbelievable hypocrite in self-denial.

I showed you ENTIRE LISTS,verified,valid and objective and you show me an article by a Turkish guy and a Turkish chick claiming the moon and the stars.

Now,if you go beyond the bullshit of the article,you'll see that it's from Anadolu Agency:

Since the Justice and Development Party (AKP) took power, AA and the Turkish Radio and Television Corporation (TRT) were both restructured to more closely reflect the government line. This tighter degree of government control over AA and TRT, along with increasing government influence over private media, has contributed to the formation of a hegemonic, dominant-party system in Turkey. According to a 2016 academic article, "these public news producers, especially during the most recent term of the AKP government, have been controlled by officials from a small network close to the party leadership."

Aaah Erdogan propagandisi!

Now get lost,fake Musharraf.
 
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First of all,the guy's name is Yilmaz. He's a Turk. Writing done by "Merve Aydogan".

Second,that's bullshit. Those were churches and not converted mosques. "Traces Ottoman architecture",yeah no shit Sherlock,if you look at Ottoman mosque architecture,you'll find Byzantine and Persian influences.

You're an unbelievable hypocrite in self-denial. I showed you ENTIRE LISTS,verified,valid and objective and you show me an article by a Turkish guy and a Turkish chick claiming the moon and the stars.

Now,if you go beyond the bullshit of the article,you'll see that it's from Anadolu Agency:

Since the Justice and Development Party (AKP) took power, AA and the Turkish Radio and Television Corporation (TRT) were both restructured to more closely reflect the government line. This tighter degree of government control over AA and TRT, along with increasing government influence over private media, has contributed to the formation of a hegemonic, dominant-party system in Turkey. According to a 2016 academic article, "these public news producers, especially during the most recent term of the AKP government, have been controlled by officials from a small network close to the party leadership."

Aaah Erdogan propagandisi!

Now get lost,fake Musharraf.
I showed evidence, yet you won't admit. You are a troll. Sorry but I have provided ample evidence that you cannot deny.

@waz Please take care of this @Foinikas troll. What would a Greek do on a Pakistani forum anyways.

He believes no mosque has been converted into a church in Greece. lol. He is such a liar. Or he comes with the argument that they were churches initially. Seriously stop lying here.

First of all,the guy's name is Yilmaz. He's a Turk. Writing done by "Merve Aydogan".

Second,that's bullshit. Those were churches and not converted mosques. "Traces Ottoman architecture",yeah no shit Sherlock,if you look at Ottoman mosque architecture,you'll find Byzantine and Persian influences.

You're an unbelievable hypocrite in self-denial.

I showed you ENTIRE LISTS,verified,valid and objective and you show me an article by a Turkish guy and a Turkish chick claiming the moon and the stars.

Now,if you go beyond the bullshit of the article,you'll see that it's from Anadolu Agency:

Since the Justice and Development Party (AKP) took power, AA and the Turkish Radio and Television Corporation (TRT) were both restructured to more closely reflect the government line. This tighter degree of government control over AA and TRT, along with increasing government influence over private media, has contributed to the formation of a hegemonic, dominant-party system in Turkey. According to a 2016 academic article, "these public news producers, especially during the most recent term of the AKP government, have been controlled by officials from a small network close to the party leadership."

Aaah Erdogan propagandisi!

Now get lost,fake Musharraf.
That is how a loser behaves, when he loses in debate such as yourself.

I have provided ample evidence and even photographic evidence that mosques in Greece were converted into churches without them being churches initially.

Get lost moron. I already called the mods to take care of you.

@The Eagle
@LeGenD
@waz

This @Foinikas troll is lying here.

Or @Foinikas ignores my evidence outright. It shows he is intellectually dishonest.

You have been reported!
 
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I showed evidence, yet you won't admit. You are a troll. Sorry but I have provided ample evidence that you cannot deny.

@waz Please take care of this @Foinikas troll. What would a Greek do on a Pakistani forum anyways.

He believes no mosque has been converted into a church in Greece. lol. He is such a liar. Or he comes with the argument that they were churches initially. Seriously stop lying here.


That is how a loser behaves, when he loses in debate such as yourself.

I have provided ample evidence and even photographic evidence that mosques in Greece were converted into churches without them being churches initially.

Get lost moron. I already called the mods to take care of you.

@The Eagle
@LeGenD
@waz

This @Foinikas troll is lying here.
Don't you know that only white european news is trustworthy other nations news is just fake news. 😁
 
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I showed evidence, yet you won't admit. You are a troll. Sorry but I have provided ample evidence that you cannot deny.

@waz Please take care of this @Foinikas troll. What would a Greek do on a Pakistani forum anyways.

He believes no mosque has been converted into a church in Greece. lol. He is such a liar. Or he comes with the argument that they were churches initially. Seriously stop lying here.
The enternal problem. I show you evidence,you disregard it asap,press the laugh emoticon on my post,you c/p a propaganda trash article from a Turkish AKP source,you tell me "Oh I showed you evidence,you are a troll". Hadi git. Hadi git,yavrim. Hadi bakalim,siktir git bre :)

@waz @The Eagle @WebMaster @SQ8 I've showed valid and objective evidence. Names of mosques that no longer function and names of churches turned into mosques. How on earth can't you see what this guy has been doing here? Get serious,come on.
 
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The enternal problem. I show you evidence,you disregard it asap,press the laugh emoticon on my post,you c/p a propaganda trash article from a Turkish AKP source,you tell me "Oh I showed you evidence,you are a troll". Hadi git. Hadi git,yavrim. Hadi bakalim,siktir git bre :)

@waz @The Eagle @WebMaster @SQ8 I've showed valid and objective evidence. Names of mosques that no longer function and names of churches turned into mosques. How on earth can't you see what this guy has been doing here? Get serious,come on.
You think they would believe someone who is pretending to be a Greek over a Pakistani member of a Pakistani forum?
lol. You need to get your head reexamined! :lol:
 
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Don't you know that only white european news is trustworthy other nations news is just fake news. 😁
N'oldu? You deny what I posted? It's not true? You think it's fake news? I thought you were smarter than to take into account biased AKP-aligned sources like TRT and Anadolu. Ama sen...niye? You can just admit and say "Tamam,yes we did it,ok we are strong,yes ok. It's wrong,but we did it". I mean wtf? Seriously.

You think they would believe someone who is pretending to be a Greek over a Pakistani member of a Pakistani forum?
lol. You need to get your head reexamined!
Yes. Because it doesn't matter if you are Pakistani or Hindustani or Abu Farhani. If you're acting like a d**k,which you have been acting like for pages and pages,then you get the boot.

And...I'm curious. Where do you think I'm from?
 
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N'oldu? You deny what I posted? It's not true? You think it's fake news? I thought you were smarter than to take into account biased AKP-aligned sources like TRT and Anadolu. Ama sen...niye? You can just admit and say "Tamam,yes we did it,ok we are strong,yes ok. It's wrong,but we did it". I mean wtf? Seriously.


Yes. Because it doesn't matter if you are Pakistani or Hindustani or Abu Farhani. If you're acting like a d**k,which you have been acting like for pages and pages,then you get the boot.

And...I'm curious. Where do you think I'm from?
I showed you evidence of mosques being converted into churches in Greece, yet you choose to ignore it. And they were not churches initially.

Your claim that Mosques have never been converted into Churches in Greece or by the Greek government is completely wrong.

It shows you are dishonest. Enough said.
 
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This is the most absurd thing I read, did the monks at this place had aysofia up for sale in Constantinople's real estate market ☺️, also they didn't want co religionists rather the new tenant must desecrate the place a little bit. Who the hell sells their place of worship, esp. a place like ayasofia?

When are you placing statue of baal in Kaba?
That's a false equivalence, pagans desecrated the Kabah by putting their idols there, Prophet cleansed the house of God built by Ibrahim as. Ayasofia was built by Christians so they are its rightful owners.
 
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N'oldu? You deny what I posted? It's not true? You think it's fake news? I thought you were smarter than to take into account biased AKP-aligned sources like TRT and Anadolu. Ama sen...niye? You can just admit and say "Tamam,yes we did it,ok we are strong,yes ok. It's wrong,but we did it". I mean wtf? Seriously.


Yes. Because it doesn't matter if you are Pakistani or Hindustani or Abu Farhani. If you're acting like a d**k,which you have been acting like for pages and pages,then you get the boot.

And...I'm curious. Where do you think I'm from?
Dikos mou sýntrofos it is what it is man there is no way to sugarcoat the facts.

And please don’t act as if Greeks owned Hagia Sophia. In this period Greeks and Armenians were not even allowed to enter the City truth is your ancestors and those Armenians welcomed the Ottomans as liberators because they were brutally oppressed by the former ruler.
 
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This is the most absurd thing I read, did the monks at this place had aysofia up for sale in Constantinople's real estate market ☺️, also they didn't want co religionists rather the new tenant must desecrate the place a little bit. Who the hell sells their place of worship, esp. a place like ayasofia?


That's a false equivalence, pagans desecrated the Kabah by putting their idols there, Prophet cleansed the house of God built by Ibrahim as. Ayasofia was built by Christians so they are its rightful owners.
But dear mr Imran Hossein fanboy, you have to consider the fact this event is taking place in the 14 century compare it to Romans when they enter Constantinople everybody got massacred after they take over the city.

Meanwhile Ottomans never harmed civilians, non combatants, they didn’t even loot the city which is a common practice after conquest of any city in that period. Instead they offered to buy Hagia Sophia which ofcourse the owners have only option to accept but more important is they let everybody live the locals continued their normal lives after the conquest. There is a famous ferman of the Sultan that guarenteed everyones safety and freedom of religion, work, trade etc.

This seems much better than getting slaughtered like an animal and still lose all your belongings if you ask me.
 
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Hindus and ther pagan believe can go share ther places but muslims will not do things like that.

As I said, people have to look at a middle ground solution in some cases. Would having a mosque-church combine be somehow an injustice against humanity ? No. Was it right in angering a lot of Christians with the act of turning the museum into a mosque ? No. What was the point Erdogan was making ?

And Ottomans they were in wars in that years.

Tipu Sultan was the only ruler in india who, combined with Napolean's forces, could have driven the British and the other non-French Europeans out of India. He was the only ruler that the British respected. He was an internationalist who identified with the monarchy-and-feudalism-abolishing French Revolution. A very important person he was. A progressive in his domain of rule in the 1790s. I believe if he had lived on into the middle of the next century he would have been a Communist. In 1799 the Ottomans could have helped him to victory and gradual driving away of the British and the non-French Europeans from India and exchanged a lot of ideas with him and bring modernity to the Ottoman domain.

I showed what kind of a hypocrit you are when it comes to respect for relgious objects such as a mosque or church. You don’t care about a mosque just because its not Greek and Orthodox as former Hagia Sophia it can be rased to the ground no problem.

I have calmness and tranquility in my respect for Nature and its undeniable supremacy but I never said that I want to see the Hagia Sophia razed to the ground. Please see the first part of my post to Oublious above.
 
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What a sadistic mentality. So whatever is happening to Indian Muslims is alright then?

Yup. Indian Muslims are paying the price of believing into fake promises of hindus. They never spoke against all crimes that Indian state committed against Kashmiris and in fact supported state of India in these crimes. Apparently that appeasement isn't working out well for them

He is nor very bright. Ignore him

Says the single digit IQ clown begging for attention
 
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