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First DRDO AWACS rolls out

Do we have to thank DBC for drawing or attention towards the Blisters and the contents therein? :)

Popeye ji, can you explain about the blisters part, I seem to have missed that out. :)
 
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^Are you forgetting they denied us the AESA radar under US pressure?

As of now only US aircrafts can be our only source of AESA radar, so US is playing its card to keep Indian Govt in pressure to select US birds, once the MMRCA winner is declared i don't see any point restricting Israel selling their AESA to us. :tup:
 
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@ Ganimi..

Yes..The side Blister certainly is large and thats good news..360 deg. surveillance seems to be possible now...
BTW can we modify this to operate from Carriers..E-2D is too big for the 1st 2 carriers. Can we use this by tweaking it..?
 
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Do we have to thank DBC for drawing or attention towards the Blisters and the contents therein? :)

:lol: Don't, who knows what she will come up next time.


@ Ganimi..

Yes..The side Blister certainly is large and thats good news..360 deg. surveillance seems to be possible now...
BTW can we modify this to operate from Carriers..E-2D is too big for the 1st 2 carriers. Can we use this by tweaking it..?


Check this:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/94405-first-drdo-awacs-rolls-out-2.html#post1507029


In the third phase, the CABS will develop a triangle-shaped, phased array capable of searching 360º nearly simultaneously, says Vijay Kumar Saraswat, director of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).

That system will match the capabilities that India has already acquired with a 360º-scanning Elta Systems phased-array.

So 360° radar detection is only planned for the future, but it would be interesting if we can customise the E-2 with an DRDO system, but the chances are low with the US I guess. Didn't the Russians developed a copy of the E-2 some years ago? ;)
 
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@ Ganimi..

Yes..The side Blister certainly is large and thats good news..360 deg. surveillance seems to be possible now...
BTW can we modify this to operate from Carriers..E-2D is too big for the 1st 2 carriers. Can we use this by tweaking it..?

From the sources on the net, those blisters or bulge on the sides is for electronics measure support ( Electronic Protection (EP), Electronic Attack (EA), ).
 
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That side blister which was a source of much speculation here can be seen clearly. It is quite large indeed.

These side blisters contains Electronic Support Measure (ESM) and the white part contains Communication Support Measure (CSM).

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@ Ganimi..

Yes..The side Blister certainly is large and thats good news..360 deg. surveillance seems to be possible now...
BTW can we modify this to operate from Carriers..E-2D is too big for the 1st 2 carriers. Can we use this by tweaking it..?

This AWACS don't have 360 degree surveillance by its primary radar, those side blisters are ESM and CSM.
 
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The Indian AWACS at a glace....




The Indian AEW&C

The Indian Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) have launched an AEW&C programme that is focussed on the needs of the Indian Air Force. The Centre for Air-Borne Systems
(CABS) of the DRDO that is tasked with the development of the system is pursuing the programme with participation of multiple work-centres from within DRDO as well as Industries in the Public and Private Sector. The Indian AEW&C system will detect, identify and classify threats present in the surveillance area and act as a Command and Control Centre to support Air Defence operations. The system with its multiple
Communication and Data Links can alert and direct fighters against threats while providing ‘Recognizable Air Surface Picture’ (RASP) to commanders at the Ground Exploitation Stations (GES) that are strategically located. The AEW&C system can thus support Air Force in offensive strike missions and assist Forces in the tactical battle area. What is more, the AEW&C system also comprises Electronic and Communication Support Measures that can intercept and counter unfriendly radar transmissions and communication signals.

Primary Surveillance Radar

The primary sensor for the AEW&C will be an Active Electronically Steered Array Radar with a normal detection range and an extended range against a target Radar Cross Section (RCS) of the fighter class of aircraft. Two radiating planar arrays assembled back-to-back and mounted on top of the fuselage in a Dorsal Unit (DoU) will provide coverage on either side of the DoU. The important modes of operation of the system are the sea surveillance and the air surveillance. The sensor has the abilities to search, track-while-scan, priority tracking, high performance tracking, etc. In priority tracking, the targets will be placed in full track mode even if it crosses the primary surveillance area. In high performance tracking, additional measurements will be made to improve the tracking accuracies. Utilising the active aperture technology, the radar provides a fast-beam agile system that can operate in several modes concurrently.
Secondary Surveillance Radar The Secondary Surveillance Radar (SSR) system, or the Identification Friend or Foe system, determines whether the target detected by the Primary Radar is a ‘friend’ or ‘foe‘. The interrogator emits a message querying the target in a particular sector. Replies from the target are automatically associated with the Primary Radar detections. This information is then used by the AEW&C system to identify locations of friendly and unfriendly aircraft in the area and deal with them appropriately.

Mission Communications System (MCS)

The Mission Communications System provides Air-to-Air V/UHF voice and data channels. It also provides for integrated control of all on-board communication sets and intercom for the entire mission Work Station Operators as well as the flight crew. The communication channels have in-built ECCM features as well. The various segments of the total operational system in the air and on the ground would have a multi-service standardized data link structure that enabled communication among the AEW&C Systems, other AWACS aircraft, the Fighter/Interceptor aircraft and the Ground Exploitation Systems..

Electronic Support Measure (ESM) and Communication Support Measure (CSM)

The ESM and CSM systems will support suppression of hostile air defences. This will be achieved by performing the surveillance of the environment for detection and identification of hostile emitters of both communication and non-communication types. Towards this, the ESM system operates over a wide range of frequencies with complete coverage of 360° in azimuth and -15° to 5° in elevation. The ESM thus provides the bearing and the location of the hostile emitters to augment the Primary Radar performance. The system is capable of analyzing and identifying the emitter characteristics with a frequency accuracy of 1 MHz and a directional accuracy of 2° (rms). An easy search method to scan through the database library of 3,000 emitters would also be a feature of the ESM. The system also has the capability to record and save the data for post-flight analysis. The CSM system shall intercept the communication signals and perform the required analysis for in-flight operations. It additionally records the signals on-board for post- flight analysis.

Self Protection System (SPS)

The AEW&C system will have a Self Protection sub-system. The SPS shall consist of Radar Warning Receiver (RWR), Missile Approach Warning system (MAWS) and Counter Measures Dispensing System (CMDS). The RWR function will be augmented by the ESM and will consist of the Warner Library and Display. The MAWS will be a passive UV based system and, augmented with the RWR, will give necessary warning to the pilot to appropriately activate the CMDS. It provides the essential displays to the pilot and helps in the activation of the CMDS as well as adoption of escape maneuvers for self-protection.

Mission System Controller (MSC)

The Mission System Controller will integrate the information from all the above-mentioned sensors. Its functions include system controls, mission modes, functional control logic, redundant array of independent disks (RAID), database management, integrity function, multi-sensor data fusion, health monitoring, time synchronization, bus control and other housekeeping functions. In addition, MSC will carry out the intercept control functions. MSC will interface with the DHDS system for all operator control and display features.

Data Handling and Display System (DHDS)

DHDS will facilitate mission system operators to interface with the AEW&C system. The AEW&C system will have Operator Work Stations for Surveillance, Interception, and ESM & CSM functions. All the consoles can be reconfigured as required. In general, menus, displays and other presentation logic can be performed by each console. The consoles also help in planning of the mission with communication information handling, weather data handling, mission data preparation and handling.

Data Links

The AEW&C system will be capable of interoperating with other AEW&C systems, fighters, and AWACS aircraft in the air and other earlywarning and air-defence systems on the ground.
The data from the Radar, ESM and CSM can be down linked to the ground stations and the tactical control data up-linked to the AEW&C system. To this end, the AEW&C system will communicate to the Ground Exploitation Stations through ‘C’- Band Data Link and SATCOM. The Data Links will operate with two voice channels.

Aircraft Platform

The Aircraft platform to house the AEW&C System should have the matching flight performance attributes to facilitate that the Mission System tasks are performed effectively during the operational missions. To facilitate extended operations, the endurance of the aircraft can be augmented by an In-Flight Refuelling system

Conclusion

The AEW&C System will boost the Air Force’s Air Operations Capability. The System is multidisciplinary and complex and is projected to be designed, developed, tested, certified and inducted into service in an optimal timeframe. Indigenous development of the Indian AEW&C means three things to the Nation: (i) Air Force is getting a system that costs a fraction of the price of a comparable system in the world market, (ii) the indigenous capabilities being generated in terms of technologies and infrastructure will be an assurance against technology denials by bigbrother nations and (iii) the ‘feel good’ factor of becoming one among the select group of Nations who really have the wherewithal to make a machine of this kind.
The adversaries of India should soon be nervous even to warn their forces, ‘Keep off and keep quiet, the Indian AEW&C is on the prowl’, as they would know that the Indian AEW&C would be watching, sensing and listening to whatever happens in its domain! Globally speaking, it seems possible that AEW&Cs around the planet Earth can bring about a World Without War, or, nip the war in the bud, if ever someone thoughtlessly triggered one.
 
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After the test flight is over when the Platform arrives in india,How many years would it take to Integrate the radar?????
 
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After the test flight is over when the Platform arrives in india,How many years would it take to Integrate the radar?????

After recieving the aircraft in September this year DRDO will integrate not just radar all the systems like ESM, CSM, RWR, data link, self protect systems, workstations etc. It will fly with all the systems integrated with in one year of delivery of the aircraft. System integration and make them work properly in such complex system is the key.

Some high resolution pics....
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Photo: Renato Salzinger, via Vishal Jolapara
 
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Do we have to thank DBC for drawing or attention towards the Blisters and the contents therein? :)

I was wrong, the two side blisters does not house a L-band array. I was led to that conclusion by reports published by Prasun K. Sengupta.

The avionics suite will also include an L-band IFF transponder, as well as twin side-mounted L-band AESA antenna arrays that will be capable of locating and tracking targets out to 240nm while the aircraft is cruising at an altitude of 40,000 feet. In addition, these arrays’ signals will be less attenuated by bad weather, and will not be restricted to narrow-beam operations.

I watched the entire Aero India 2011 presentation by the Indian AEW&C Project Director AVM PP Katarki.

Video on Demand

It is now clear that the dorsal (roof mounted) radome houses both the S-band and L-band/IFF antenna. There is some speculation that the side blister houses the ESM / CSM antenna and optronic sensors, I am less inclined to believe it since the CSM/ESM transmitter/receiver are line of sight limited 360 degree coverage necessitates installation of CSM/ESM antenna all around the aircraft. Since the aircraft has a total of 59 antennas mounted on the fuselage it is reasonable to assume a large number of the 59 antennas installed on the fuselage serve to provide ESM/CSM functionality.

The contents of the side blister remains a mystery to me.

The speaker AVM PP Katarki mentioned elevation scan as a feature unique to the Indian AEW&C not offered by similar systems (see below). He does not elaborate but does allude to no loss of coverage upto 10 degrees of aircraft bank. The dorsal roof mounted radome is shorter than competing systems such as Erieye - so how is no loss of coverage upto 10 degrees of aircraft bank possible?


On roof mounted balance beam air borne radar elevation scan is improved by canting the radome, but the angle of incline appears to be comparable to the Erieye. So how is elevation scan and no loss of coverage due to aircraft bank (10 deg) achieved? I suspect the answer may lie within the large side blister.

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I was wrong, the two side blisters does not house a L-band array. I was led to that conclusion by reports published by Prasun K. Sengupta.



I watched the entire Aero India 2011 presentation by the Indian AEW&C Project Director AVM PP Katarki.


While it has lead you to a correct conclusion in this case, you would be well advised not to consider Mr. Sengupta as a reliable reference. He is not a dependable guy when it comes to Indian defence.


The contents of the side blister remains a mystery to me.

On roof mounted balance beam air borne radar elevation scan is improved by canting the radome, but the angle of incline appears to be comparable to the Erieye. So how is elevation scan and no loss of coverage due to aircraft bank (10 deg) achieved? I suspect the answer may lie within the large side blister.

We asked the same question (though we did not mention the blister) after that session. It was told to us that it has more to do with the internal structure of AAAU and arrangement of TRMs within. Side blister has nothing to do with it.

The contents of blister are still a mystery. It does have Interferometer array, but no more is known.

Perhaps, it has more to do with future upgrades that this bird will receive.
 
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While it has lead you to a correct conclusion in this case, you would be well advised not to consider Mr. Sengupta as a reliable reference. He is not a dependable guy when it comes to Indian defence.

Actually his take on DRDO AWACS was pretty good, but DBC used a source that misquoted his article, besides some wrong conlcusions she made. So far the points Mr. Sengupta made in his original article on his old blog are fitting to the infos that we now get of DRDO AWACS.
 
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We asked the same question (though we did not mention the blister) after that session. It was told to us that it has more to do with the internal structure of AAAU and arrangement of TRMs within. Side blister has nothing to do with it.
Thanks for the info.

The contents of blister are still a mystery. It does have Interferometer array, but no more is known.

Perhaps, it has more to do with future upgrades that this bird will receive.
AVM Katarki mentioned as well as from the specification pics it says that the side blisters will contain ESM (developed by DARE). I think they are going for something special but it is ESM no doubt about that.
 
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Actually his take on DRDO AWACS was pretty good, but DBC used a source that misquoted his article, besides some wrong conlcusions she made. So far the points Mr. Sengupta made in his original article on his old blog are fitting to the infos that we now get of DRDO AWACS.


Been following his "trishul" blog since quite a long time. Once in a while he lands a correct article, but mostly it is an ingenious mix of fact and fiction. Not to mention heavy amount of "borrowed" material he pedals! Not a reliable guy for me and many others.


I was referring to her conclusion about the L and S band being within the AAAU .
 
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Thanks for the info.


AVM Katarki mentioned as well as from the specification pics it says that the side blisters will contain ESM (developed by DARE). I think they are going for something special but it is ESM no doubt about that.

As I meantioned in earlier discussions about that, I think it's just a compromise to the design of the aircraft itself. Some aircraft use wingtip pods to house the ESM and other parts, the EMB 145 has winglets, which rules out carrying heavy additional pods. The size of the blisters depends on the ammount of techs integrated into it, interferometry arrays and other ESM / CSM sensors are clear, but there will be more.

The original Prasun Sengupta article said:

For self-protection, the AEW & CS will have on board a fully integrated defensive aids suite that will include multi-spectral optronic sensors and an ESM suite, designed for the protection of aircraft against infra-red/laser-guided MANPADS). This will in turn be fully integrated with wingtip-mounted lightweight chaff/flare countermeasures dispensing systems. Designed from the outset as a fully integrated modular system, the fully integrated defensive aids suite will combine radar/laser/infra-red/ultra-violet missile approach warning and countermeasures dispensing functions in a single systems controller. Another component will be the ESM suite that will combine the radar warning receiver and countermeasures dispensers with interferometer antenna arrays, a missile approach warning system, laser warning system, defensive aids controller, and a display-cum-control unit

TRISHUL: CABS’ AEW & CS Detailed


The article is from 2008 and not sure if the Chaf and Flares will be mounted under the winglets, but it gives a hint on what systems, arrays, sensor and countermesures might be included in the blisters.
 
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