Ex-navy chief:Op Parakram was mistake

[illuminatidinesh]

What a naive simplistic view.

Op.Parakram was never a failure nor a waste of resources.

it is clear from the tone of the Admiral that they considered the Govt's not going to war especially after the killings of families of Army was due to a lack of objective. But it is clear to those who can separate chaff from grain that it was not a failure and it brole the back of militancy in J&K. But then its BJP right ? Lets bash them. Its so hip and cool.

Kandahar hijack - no sukhois, no C-130s, no aerial refuellers, no international support, no overflight over iran and Pakistan..in short nothing ccould have been done. As simple as that.

That is why I say it is not a waste.... What ever no U mentioned there we got now.

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Thats one dumb of a prime minister...either he was not too sure..which weakens the India case and makes it an uncalled aggressor..or it is the blessings of democracy that most incompetent make it to the top! Call it world largest democracy or world largest embarrassment, I choose the later!

Lol I some times feel pity for U guys over there when U make comments like this. But then what should we call U guys, worlds largest?????

 

[Infinity]

What a naive simplistic view, typical of those who cant reason for themselves and go by propaganda.

Op.Parakram was never a failure nor a waste of resources.

it is clear from the tone of the Admiral that they considered the Govt's not going to war especially after the killings of families of Army was due to a lack of objective. But it is clear to those who can separate chaff from grain that it was not a failure and it broke the back of militancy in J&K. But then its BJP right ? Lets bash them. Its so hip and cool.

Kandahar hijack - no sukhois, no C-130s, no aerial refuellers, no international support, no overflight over iran and Pakistan..in short nothing ccould have been done. As simple as that.

Come on buddy........The Plane landed at Amritsar Air port for re-fueling, but Punjab police were asked to wait ...............
Then from Amritsar Via Karachi it reached Dubai.........Them Indian Government asked UAE permission for Commando Operation........which was denied and rest is history..........

What could have they achieved in UAE or Kandhar which they couldn't do in Amritsar ...............

 

[crimemaster_gogo]

Bharti sena took somewhat 700+ casualties in that standoff,right? How many casualties Pakistan Army took in that standoff?

Anyways....Pakistani military didn't have F-16s (no spares/sanctioned),nuclear cruise missiles,Shaheen-II missiles (2,500+ Km),nuclear ALCMs such as Ra'ad,tactical weapons such as Nasr, BVR such as AIM-120Cs,JF-17 thunders and SD-10Bs, (many) Al-Khalid tanks and ROSE Mirage IIIs and Mirage Vs (?) etc etc at that time.STILL Indian military was not able to launch its offensive on Pakistan.Today,Pakistani military is way,way more stronger/capable than it was in 2001/2.Any full-fledged war between India and Pakistan is becoming more and more unlikely with every passing year.

P.S before Indian trolls start crying...I must write that even today Indian military has advantage over its Pakistani counterpart but a full-fledged war is becoming unlikely.

Hope India and Pakistan resolve their issues on dialogue table and move on . . . . . . . . . . . . .

jitna chaho uchall lo, STILL Kashmir is with us, Karhmir toh tm logo ko milne se raha ha ha ha ha you can't match us ever, sweet sweet truth

 

[SEAL]

Yeah ofcourse it was a mistake , The mobilization of millions of troops had no benefit whatsoever ... Pakistan once again proved that it can deter its 5 times larger neighbor and neutralized the overwhelming conventional advantage that India enjoyed ... Being a nuclear power is useful after all isn't it ? India lost more than 700+ troops without Pakistan firing a single bullet


Op Parakram claimed 798 soldiers
Shockingly, without going to war, 798 soldiers have been killed during Operation Parakram.

"During Operation Parakram up to July 2003, a total number of 798 Army personnel suffered fatal casualties," said Defence Minister George Fernandes in Lok Sabha on Thursday.
Op Parakram claimed 798 soldiers - Times Of India

Haha i didn't know that 798 Indian soldiers killed due to mobilization.

 

[Bhairava]

Come on buddy........The Plane landed at Amritsar Air port for re-fueling, but Punjab police were asked to wait ...............
Then from Amritsar Via Karachi it reached Dubai.........Them Indian Government asked UAE permission for Commando Operation........which was denied and rest is history..........

What could have they achieved in UAE or Kandhar which they couldn't do in Amritsar ...............

yeah it was just 4 or so months NDA govt had come to power for the first time and there was no existing CnC/protocol in place for such eventualities. What do you expect them to do ?

BTW google "the truth behind Kandahar" by Kanchan Gupta. Sure to open some eyes.

BTW I'm glad you got to see behind the commonly held 'perception' that Op.Parakram was a failure.

 

[DarK-LorD]

But this is a thing of the past as we now have Cold start.

 

[sputnik]

Yup it was mistake.. This is wht happen when one rolly-polly prime minister make half hearted effort. We fail to deliver any blow

 

[Infinity]

yeah it was just 4 or so months NDA govt had come to power for the first time and there was no existing CnC/protocol in place for such eventualities. What do you expect them to do ?

BTW google "the truth behind Kandahar" by Kanchan Gupta. Sure to open some eyes.

BTW I'm glad you got to see behind the commonly held 'perception' that Op.Parakram was a failure.

As i mentioned i didn't understand ( or may not understand) what we have achieved from Op. Parakaram.........
I just wanted to enlighten you the decision making of then Government.........by bring in Kandhar Hijack

 

[Bhairava]

Yup it was mistake.. This is wht happen when one rolly-polly prime minister make half hearted effort. We fail to deliver any blow

I cant believe when so many Indians dont know even of their Army's/Govt's successes albeit you can say a moderate one and still consider it a failure.

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As i mentioned i didn't understand ( or may not understand) what we have achieved from Op. Parakaram.........

In simple words we achieved the closure of the majority of the terrorist camps in P0K without going to war actually.

I just wanted to enlighten you the decision making of then Government.........by bring in Kandhar Hijack

A Govt can function only as much as the bureaucracy it inherits. Don't they say a chain is as strong as its weakest link ? I completely understand your political leanings makes it difficult to think that the NDA could have done something useful. but then we should learn to look things in a bit more neutral way.

 

[AmberDutt]

Thats one dumb of a prime minister...either he was not too sure..which weakens the India case and makes it an uncalled aggressor..or it is the blessings of democracy that most incompetent make it to the top! Call it world largest democracy or world largest embarrassment, I choose the later!

Still better than world's largest terrorist hang out.. Isnt it ???

 

[Infinity]

I cant believe when so many Indians dont know even of their Army's/Govt's successes albeit you can say a moderate one and still consider it a failure.

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In simple words we achieved the closure of the majority of the terrorist camps in P0K without going to war actually.



A Govt can function only as much as the bureaucracy it inherits. Don't they say a chain is as strong as its weakest link ?

I am much more Proud of Indian Armed forces being a son of Ex-solider who fought all the Major wars..........But they get orders to act from Government


Its not Op Parakaram that lead to decease in Infiltration......But it was fencing and better Gadgets which helped

Don't pass baton to bureaucrats......they too obey Govt Orders

 

[Bhairava]

I am much more Proud of Indian Armed forces being a son of Ex-solider who fought all the Major wars..........But they get orders to act from Government


Its not Op Parakaram that lead to decease in Infiltration......But it was fencing and better Gadgets which helped

Don't pass baton to bureaucrats......they to obey Govt Orders

They also helped. Did you read that pdf I posted. It is very clearly given that the Americans sensing that India - who were very angry- will definitely up the ante given the lack of any work pushed Mushy to close down most of the camps and even Mushy had admitted it later on. That is a fact and its upto you to take it or discard it. But the fact itself remains intact.

BTW even for argument's sake if we take that better fencing and gadgets helped break the militancy then it was still the NDA govt that did it right ? they learned from the mistakes and rectified it.

Do you know still Mumbai is as vulnerable to terror threats as Nov 2008 ? That is the difference mate.

 

[Infinity]

They also helped. Did you read that pdf I posted. It is very clearly given that the Americans sensing that India - who were very angry- will definitely up the ante given the lack of any work pushed Mushy to close down most of the camps and even Mushy had admitted it later on. That is a fact and its upto you to take it or discard it. But the fact itself remains intact.

BTW even for argument's sake if we take that better fencing and gadgets helped break the militancy then it was still the NDA govt that did it right ? they learned from the mistakes and rectified it.

Do you know still Mumbai is as vulnerable to terror threats as Nov 2008 ? That is the difference mate.

I didn't Say Congress would have handled it better........We Indians cannot tolerate Criticism..........

 

[Windjammer]

The Indian cost for the buildup was 21,600 crore (US$4.82 billion), while the Pakistani cost was $1.4 billion. Also it took India months to mobilize and lost 789 men in the process... around 200 in the initial phase of laying mines.

After remaining paralysed on the border for almost a year, the Indian forces withdraw was unilateral and seen as both humiliating and soul destroying.

 

[oFFbEAT]

Thats one dumb of a prime minister...either he was not too sure..which weakens the India case and makes it an uncalled aggressor..or it is the blessings of democracy that most incompetent make it to the top! Call it world largest democracy or world largest embarrassment, I choose the later!

Actually Indians chose their own destiny to suffer perpetually by choosing Gandhiji and rejecting Netaji.............
Many Indians will now frown upon me.......but this is the reality....we have always rejected the most competent and supported the most incompetent/corrupt for our personal gain..........what to do...DESTINY