European Roma descended from India

[Random Boy]

You are trying to justify it in through the lens of past transgressions made by "whites". What i'm debating is going on right now, no genocide is happening atm is it?
How many stories of incest rape after Fritzl you heard of? Daily is it? Please....

i edited post above, please go and take a look, even a hundred years ago they talked about the same things as i'm talking now. Wheel for progress my ass.

you yourself said europeans form Mobs to attack gypsies and assylym seekers i know too or foreigners of dark complexion too. well also right wing violence is a Problem. and hitler was only 60 years ago.

also i found somethng interesting.
There is no doubt that racism fans the flames of anti-Rom sentiment. Having South Asian physical features, Roma are darker than most Balkan peoples and thus readily identifiable. Xenophobic nationalist organizations target Roma as a threat to national and racial "purity." Centuries of stereotyping also play a significant role in anti-Rom sentiment which gives rise to individual and group violence. One of the most common stereotypes is that Roma are criminals. In fact, the word tsigan in many European languages means thief or cheater, similar to the English verb "to gyp" (from Gypsy), meaning to cheat. The media reinforce these stereotypes by reporting the ethnicity of Rom criminal suspects while withholding the ethnicity of others. In fact, according to the Project on Ethnic Relations 1992 Report on Roma in Central and Eastern Europe, the rate of conviction for theft is no higher among Roma than the national averages, and the rates for murder and rape are far lower. The few reliable studies of "Gypsy criminality" strongly question the stereotype; a 1982 Hungarian study concluded that while crime by Roma is twice that national average, less than 1.5 percent of Roma commit criminal offenses. A 1991 Hungarian survey claims that the rate of criminal behavior in poor Rom neighborhoods is not higher than the rate in poor non-Rom neighborhoods, suggesting that the most important factor to consider is poverty, not ethnicity.
culturalsurvival politicisation and persecution of roma

 

[dravidianhero]

It's more then a belief, trust me....

why is ur *** burning?is it bcoz they are calling themselves as descendants of india rather than technically correct phrase as descendants of present day pakistan.just look at their faces and read their numbers.you will know they were indians.

 

[Audio]

why is ur *** burning?is it bcoz they are calling themselves as descendants of india rather than technically correct phrase as descendants of present day pakistan.just look at their faces and read their numbers.you will know they were indians.

oh i have no doubt they are descendants of Indians. One just has to go to their slums to see a little piece of India in Europe. Foul stench included.

you yourself said europeans form Mobs to attack gypsies and assylym seekers i know too or foreigners of dark complexion too. well also right wing violence is a Problem. and hitler was only 60 years ago.

also i found somethng interesting.
There is no doubt that racism fans the flames of anti-Rom sentiment. Having South Asian physical features, Roma are darker than most Balkan peoples and thus readily identifiable. Xenophobic nationalist organizations target Roma as a threat to national and racial "purity." Centuries of stereotyping also play a significant role in anti-Rom sentiment which gives rise to individual and group violence. One of the most common stereotypes is that Roma are criminals. In fact, the word tsigan in many European languages means thief or cheater, similar to the English verb "to gyp" (from Gypsy), meaning to cheat. The media reinforce these stereotypes by reporting the ethnicity of Rom criminal suspects while withholding the ethnicity of others. In fact, according to the Project on Ethnic Relations 1992 Report on Roma in Central and Eastern Europe, the rate of conviction for theft is no higher among Roma than the national averages, and the rates for murder and rape are far lower. The few reliable studies of "Gypsy criminality" strongly question the stereotype; a 1982 Hungarian study concluded that while crime by Roma is twice that national average, less than 1.5 percent of Roma commit criminal offenses. A 1991 Hungarian survey claims that the rate of criminal behavior in poor Rom neighborhoods is not higher than the rate in poor non-Rom neighborhoods, suggesting that the most important factor to consider is poverty, not ethnicity.
culturalsurvival politicisation and persecution of roma

Links? if you can start threads i'm sure you can paste links as well.
Look, i won't even discuss this anymore, waste of time, things are how they are, and you can debate with Indian cousins on how the world is unjustly prejudicial due to your skin color and not rampant criminal activity.

 

[Random Boy]

Links? if you can start threads i'm sure you can paste links as well.
Look, i won't even discuss this anymore, waste of time, things are how they are, and you can debate with Indian cousins on how the world is unjustly prejudicial due to your skin color and not rampant criminal activity.

no i cant post links. because i Need 30 Posts to do that. but i wrote how the site is called where i have it from.
race Plays a Major role in anti-Rom Sentiment. to me that is clear and very obvious. they are considered dark skinned foreigners and not White europeans, and a threat to racial purity of Whites etc. a inferior primitive race etc. etc.

 

[Audio]

no i cant post links. because i Need 30 Posts to do that. but i wrote how the site is called where i have it from.
race Plays a Major role in anti-Rom Sentiment. to me that is clear and very obvious. they are considered dark skinned foreigners and not White europeans, and a threat to racial purity of Whites etc. a inferior primitive race etc. etc.

lol....yea, pure gypsy, i'm innocent and all that, the only thing you forgot is to swear on your unborn child to be complete....

 

[Random Boy]

lol....yea, pure gypsy, i'm innocent and all that, the only thing you forgot is to swear on your unborn child to be complete....

seems like you are human waste, nothing but racist trash

 

[Audio]

seems like you are human waste, nothing but racist trash

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[flamer84]

seems like you are human waste, nothing but racist trash

Now,now,let's not play the race card here...you know very well that gypsies(rroma in an invented liberal word) cause many problems,their problems are within not with the majority.A little more hygiene and work ethics would help.

 

[Random Boy]

Now,now,let's not play the race card here...you know very well that gypsies(rroma in an invented liberal word) cause many problems,their problems are within not with the majority.A little more hygiene and work ethics would help.

you even refuse to call them roma, by their self-designation and polite term, but want to call them by the heavy negatively connotated word "gypsy". you even say it is a "liberal word", as if it is a conspiracy. what to expect from such a Person? you must be a right wing european. or someone with prejudices and biases. you said i played the "race Card" maybe you will call me "anti-White" in the next sentence. lol. it cant be denied that anti-Rom Sentiment has a Major racist Basis.

 

[flamer84]

you even refuse to call them roma, by their self-designation and polite term, but want to call them by the heavy negatively connotated word "gypsy". you even say it is a "liberal word", as if it is a conspiracy. what to expect from such a Person? you must be a right wing european. or someone with prejudices and biases. you said i played the "race Card" maybe you will call me "anti-White" in the next sentence. lol. it cant be denied that anti-Rom Sentiment has a Major racist Basis.

They are calling themselves rroma for what?10,15 years?...Yes i refuse to call them that because it leads to dangerous confusions with the romanians ,a native european population.I call them as they were called since ever,not by a fairy tale word invented over night.If i call myself japanese starting now,it doesn't mean i am one.

Anti-gypsie sentiments has its roots in the fact that most gypsies steal/commit more crimes in the statistics/are dirty/live in slums(many times by choice-goverment issued free houses for them and they chose to sell the pipes for money and bring pigs and horses indoor)/marry when they're 10 years old/refuse education(even though it's free/rant can continue for many pages.

 

[Random Boy]

They are calling themselves rroma for what?10,15 years?...Yes i refuse to call them that because it leads to dangerous confusions with the romanians ,a native european population.I call them as they were called since ever,not by a fairy tale word invented over night.If i call myself japanese starting now,it doesn't mean i am one.

Anti-gypsie sentiments has its roots in the fact that most gypsies steal/commit more crimes in the statistics/are dirty/live in slums(many times by choice-goverment issued free houses for them and they chose to sell the pipes for money and bring pigs and horses indoor)/marry when they're 10 years old/refuse education(even though it's free/rant can continue for many pages.

roma are calling themselfes roma since Long ago. but not all tribes called themselfes roma. some called themselfes Sinti or Cale or manouche or romanichal etc. they made 30 years ago the term roma the official Name for all tribes but it is not a Invention of 30 years ago. a "dangerous" confusion? what is dangerous about it, sounds like a threat to european whiteness or racial purity, that People might think romanians are dark. thats what i heard a few times, they complain will think they are not fair but dark like roma. and it doesnt create more confusion then any other word similarity like Alabama and Albania or Austria and Australia etc. Just coincidence that it is named similar. Romanians didnt called themselfes Romanians always, they used Dacians as self-designation and they are romanicised but are actually dacians. I dont see your Point about you calling yourself japanese how does that respond to roma calling themselfes roma. And "gypsy" is used since centuries, but so was "heathens" or "saracens" and "tatars" and "egyptians" (gypsy Comes from egyptian). it is quiete impolite and characterises century old prejudice and persecution of roma.
if anti-Rom Sentiment has nothing to do with racism, why are part roma outcasted and not accepted into Society even if they behave normal similar to part blacks or one drop rule. and why europeans say they are not europeans. are Romas europeans? or dark skinned foreigners? just answer that question sincerly then we will know where you stand. and you exaggerate. gypsies dont marry as 10 year olds. 3 out of 10 get their Baby with 17 while majority has their Baby by the Age of 20. but not as 10 year olds that is rare even for roma. the source i posted Claims that reliable sources so far challenge the roma are criminals stereotype seriously.

 

[flamer84]

@Random Boy

Romanians didn't call themseves dacians,they were the dacians some 2000 years ago before the roman conquest.Dacians+roman colonists+influences from slavs,cumans=romanians.Starting with the 6th century they were called "rumani" or "vlachs" so it's a little bit different from the gypsies calling themselves romani some 30 years ago.Thanks,but i will be calling them by their names.It is not impolite,we have gypsie politicians in my country who said that gypsie is what they should be called this whole "romani non sence" began some twenty years ago imported from western Europe.

You don't understand me,they are not outcasts because of ethnicity but because they refuse to be civilised.I know what I am talking about for God's sake i live with gypsies around me,i see how they behave,they refuse to work,get an education,they say that stealing is their tradition and to work for money is shamefull.Not a day goes by without seeing some gypsie related crime around me or on tv,police breaking gypsie weddings where the groom is 12 and the bride 11 and so forth.The gypsies have to work with their communities,convince them to get an education,renounce that arhaic way of life they have before blaming others for their failures.

Nothng new, we all know Romas are Indian...

My official postion is "Roma should be declared Default Indian, whenever they want they can settle in India".

Untouchable and Dalits: There was no such thing in Ancient India, there won't be such thing in New India... It was transition period when Indian civilization became corrupt and such evil practices came into picture...

Insha-Allah we will achieve the glory .. India will become world leader again (of knowledge and peace)

It would be awesome if they choose to do that,heck i'll pay for some plane tickets out of my own pocket

 

[flamer84]

is there any roma charity fund. (which can be trusted). May be some of us can donate a few quid which can help people in need, than unnecessary condemning them.

Don't waste your money,all over Europe money is given to integrate them,free housing,free education,the problem lies elsewhere not with europeans not giving money and helping them.

 

[Random Boy]

@Random Boy

Romanians didn't call themseves dacians,they were the dacians some 2000 years ago before the roman conquest.Dacians+roman colonists+influences from slavs,cumans=romanians.Starting with the 6th century they were called "rumani" or "vlachs" so it's a little bit different from the gypsies calling themselves romani some 30 years ago.Thanks,but i will be calling them by their names.It is not impolite,we have gypsie politicians in my country who said that gypsie is what they should be called this whole "romani non sence" began some twenty years ago imported from western Europe.

You don't understand me,they are not outcasts because of ethnicity but because they refuse to be civilised.I know what I am talking about for God's sake i live with gypsies around me,i see how they behave,they refuse to work,get an education,they say that stealing is their tradition and to work for money is shamefull.Not a day goes by without seeing some gypsie related crime around me or on tv,police breaking gypsie weddings where the groom is 12 and the bride 11 and so forth.The gypsies have to work with their communities,convince them to get an education,renounce that arhaic way of life they have before blaming others for their failures.



It would be awesome if they choose to do that,heck i'll pay for some plane tickets out of my own pocket

you are talking nonsense. the first mention of romanian is in 16th century not 6th century.
Romania derives from the Latin romanus, meaning "citizen of Rome".[13] The first known use of the appellation was by 16th-century Italian humanists travelling in Transylvania, Moldavia, and Wallachia.[1

the romanians didnt called their Country officially Romania until 19th century.
The use of the name Romania to refer to the common homeland of all Romanians—its modern-day meaning—is first documented in the early 19th century.[note 3] The name has been officially in use since 11 December 1861

also roma have a Long traditon of calling themselfes roma. 30 years ago it was only proposed that ALL Roma are Roms not only some tribes. Also the Sinti, Manouche, Cale etc. The Roma Politicians who said that probably said it because of pressure and because to appease the hateful Whites. But Gypsy is very offensive word and impolite similar to "tatar" or "heathen" which roma also were referred to in europe for Long time. You use the impolite word gypsy on purpose.

You didnt answered my question. Are Roma dark skinned foreigners or Europeans? Are Roma a threat to European Racial Purity like in "race mixing" with Roma? What if Europeans mixed with the dark skinned Roma People?

Of course discrimination, Group association of Roma, stereotyping etc. is heavy Problem not only bad behaviour of Roma. Roma often dont attend School but when they do the students often face discrimination and even get beaten up etc.

Don't waste your money,all over Europe money is given to integrate them,free housing,free education,the problem lies elsewhere not with europeans not giving money and helping them.

there is no such Thing as free housing. they simply relocate them to aluminium Containers and most Whites refuse to settle next to gypsies and be their neighbours. I never heard gypsies get free houses, that would be awesome. I would want a free house too then. Also Education if free, is free for everyone. Roma Students get affirmative Action though where im from since a few years. And there are roma NGO's and the government also which give stipendia for excellent students but you Need very good grades and be very poor to get it. Also the funny Thing is it gets misused by Whites, they declare themselfes roma to get affirmative Action for schooling. After they finish School they reject the roma identity again.

 

[flamer84]

you are talking nonsense. the first mention of romanian is in 16th century not 6th century.
Romania derives from the Latin romanus, meaning "citizen of Rome".[13] The first known use of the appellation was by 16th-century Italian humanists travelling in Transylvania, Moldavia, and Wallachia.[1

the romanians didnt called their Country officially Romania until 19th century.
The use of the name Romania to refer to the common homeland of all Romanians—its modern-day meaning—is first documented in the early 19th century.[note 3] The name has been officially in use since 11 December 1861

also roma have a Long traditon of calling themselfes roma. 30 years ago it was only proposed that ALL Roma are Roms not only some tribes. Also the Sinti, Manouche, Cale etc. The Roma Politicians who said that probably said it because of pressure and because to appease the hateful Whites. But Gypsy is very offensive word and impolite similar to "tatar" or "heathen" which roma also were referred to in europe for Long time. You use the impolite word gypsy on purpose.

You didnt answered my question. Are Roma dark skinned foreigners or Europeans? Are Roma a threat to European Racial Purity like in "race mixing" with Roma? What if Europeans mixed with the dark skinned Roma People?

Of course discrimination, Group association of Roma, stereotyping etc. is heavy Problem not only bad behaviour of Roma. Roma often dont attend School but when they do the students often face discrimination and even get beaten up etc.



there is no such Thing as free housing. they simply relocate them to aluminium Containers and most Whites refuse to settle next to gypsies and be their neighbours. I never heard gypsies get free houses, that would be awesome. I would want a free house too then. Also Education if free, is free for everyone. Roma Students get affirmative Action though where im from since a few years. And there are roma NGO's and the government also which give stipendia for excellent students but you Need very good grades and be very poor to get it. Also the funny Thing is it gets misused by Whites, they declare themselfes roma to get affirmative Action for schooling. After they finish School they reject the roma identity again.

My bad,it was the 10th century...."The Romani ethnonym was first mentioned by Emperor Constantine VII Porphyrogennetos (r. 912–959)"

No,i have nothing against gypsies marying whites or racial mixing,i don't believe that "white power" stuff.
You see the problem with gypsies is not that they are indians(it would be great if they resembled most indians in Europe) but that they are indians from the 10th century stuck in that mentality.

During communist times they were given free houses by the regime who desperately tried to integrate them.After the communists fell,they sold the pipes for scrap and brought horses into the buildings....horses in apartments for pete's sake!!! In highschool my brother had a rich gypsie friend,we were invited to dine at his grandious villa but innside they were cooking on the floor,i excused myself and left...i was told that they were very offended.

Sry to tell you but most gypsies live like this:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2285796/Romanian-gypsies-living-condemned-ghetto-mayor-built-wall-around.html

Unfortunately the authorities are forced to separate them from civilisation.When everything fails you resort to some extreme measures.

P.S. As you can see from that article they are given free houses,it's not the Ritz but it's better than a make shift tent.