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European Roma descended from Indian 'untouchables', genetic study shows

Roma gypsies in Britain and Europe are descended from "dalits" or low caste "untouchables" who migrated from the Indian sub-continent 1,400 years ago, a genetic study has suggested.


Gypsies have long believed they have origins in India, citing common Sanskrit words in their languages and photographs of darker-skinned ancestors in South Asian clothes, while earlier research has offered some scientific support for their suspicions

Now a study led by Indian and Estonian academics, including Dr Toomas Kivisild of Cambridge University, has confirmed their origins in the Indian sub-continent, and even identified the location and social background from which they emerged.

The findings have been welcomed by Britain's Gypsy Council, which said it would help to promote understanding of Roma people throughout Europe. "We are Britain's first Non-Resident Indian community," said council spokesman Joseph Jones.

The study, which was published this month in the journal Nature, examined Y chromosomes in DNA samples to compare the genetic signatures of European Roma men with those of thousands of Indians from throughout the sub-continent.

Scientists from Hyderabad's Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology collaborated with colleagues in Estonia and Switzerland to compare more than 10,000 samples, including from members of 214 different Indian ethnic groups. They were analysed to match a South Asian Y chromosome type known as "haplogroup H1a1a-M82", which passes down male bloodlines, with samples from Roma men in Europe

While there were matches with samples from men throughout the Indian sub-continent, the closest match and the least genetic variation occurred with those from north-west India

When the researchers overlaid the closest matches onto a genetic map of India, the highest density was in areas dominated by India's "doma", "scheduled tribes and castes" – the low caste dalits or untouchables who suffer widespread and generational discrimination and usually do society's dirtiest jobs.

The researchers believe the descendants of today's Roma gypsies in Europe began their westward exodus first to fight in wars in what is today Punjab between 1001 and 1026 on the promise of a promotion in caste status.

Later, they left to flee the fall of Hindu kingdoms in what is today Pakistan, with many setting off from near Gilgit.

The exodus to North Africa and Europe suggested they may have been early refugees from the spread of Islam into the Indian sub-continent. Dr Kivisild said the study had provided "evidence for the further interpretation of history of what kind of processes were triggerimg these movements

Gypsy groups in Britain trace their own roots back first to Egypt – where they believe the name "gypsy" comes from – and beyond that to India. Joseph Jones of the Gypsy Council said early photographs show British gypsies with Indian facial features and styles of dress until 100 years ago.

He said the new study was helpful because it had scientifically confirmed the Indian origin of Britain and Europe's Roma community and that their common heritage should be accepted now by newer Indian communities in Britain. "We're not outcasts here. I don't care if we are associated with dalits – I don't live in a community where caste exists. I do feel a bit Indian, I've always felt an affinity with Indians," he said.

Gypsies were first noticed in Britain in around 1500 and acquired a reputation as itinerant craftsmen, traders and horse dealers

European Roma descended from Indian 'untouchables', genetic study shows - Telegraph

no trollin plz ...
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What about the religion of roma people, do they follow any religion? Any similarity with hinduism?
I see them in hollywood movies, the recent being sherlock holmes game of shadows.
 
I had read plenty of articles suggesting that they were from the Rajastan area(something that this study seems to back up). However dalits? Odd, because the article goes on to suggest that were soldiers (of fortune?) Also that they fled Islam? Why, if they were dalits? Raises some questions.
 
Interesting, reminds me of this documentary

"Gypsy Caravan"



All these people share a common history.

The performers are from four countries, Spain, India, Macedonia and Romania

at 16:00 is where they go to India :D
 
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Aryan Wolf will like this one

 
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I had read plenty of articles suggesting that they were from the Rajastan area(something that this study seems to back up). However dalits? Odd, because the article goes on to suggest that were soldiers (of fortune?) Also that they fled Islam? Why, if they were dalits? Raises some questions.

And where the article suggests that ?
 
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Nothng new, we all know Romas are Indian...

My official postion is "Roma should be declared Default Indian, whenever they want they can settle in India".

Untouchable and Dalits: There was no such thing in Ancient India, there won't be such thing in New India... It was transition period when Indian civilization became corrupt and such evil practices came into picture...

Insha-Allah we will achieve the glory .. India will become world leader again (of knowledge and peace)
 
Read and thou shalt find.

Anyway, here:


Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/members-club/222621-european-roma-descended-india.html#ixzz2E4QVH0Zh

@Bang Galore,
They have connections to the Lambadi/Lambani tribe found in Rajasthan and AP.

The article said this




Later, they left to flee the fall of Hindu kingdoms in what is today Pakistan, with many setting off from near Gilgit.


Which HINDU Kingdoms were in current day Pakistan 1400 years back? Again the gypsies themselves said they had evidence of spome kind of facial features with Indians in photo of only 100 years OLD. now tell me which Hindu Kingdoms were there in current day Pakistan?

The exodus to North Africa and Europe suggested they may have been early refugees from the spread of Islam into the Indian sub-continent. Dr Kivisild said the study had provided "evidence for the further interpretation of history of what kind of processes were triggerimg these movements


May be, May have been phrases suggest NOTHING concerte but just guessing and guesses are not evidence neither proofs.

Gypsy groups in Britain trace their own roots back first to Egypt – where they believe the name "gypsy" comes from – and beyond that to India. Joseph Jones of the Gypsy Council said early photographs show British gypsies with Indian facial features and styles of dress until 100 years ago

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/members-club/222621-european-roma-descended-india.html#ixzz2E4TP9kcy


This suggests something else.

If Gypsis have anything common with current day Hindus in India, thats only their witchcraft, and magic culture nothing else.
 
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The article said this

Which HINDU Kingdoms were in current day Pakistan 1400 years back? Again the gypsies themselves said they had evidence of spome kind of facial features with Indians in photo of only 100 years OLD. now tell me which Hindu Kingdoms were there in current day Pakistan?


May be, May have been phrases suggest NOTHING concerte but just guessing and guesses are not evidence neither proofs.

This suggests something else.

If Gypsis have anything common with current day Hindus in India, thats only their witchcraft, and magic culture nothing else.

Was that intended to be an anthropoligical study?

Your conclusion was the funniest part, just nothing anthropological or scientific about it.
 
Was that intended to be an anthropoligical study?

Your conclusion was the funniest part, just nothing anthropological or scientific about it.

what scientific about Indians' study laden with claims based on phrases like may be and may have been.
 
They are one of the most persecuted people in world even to this date and suffering from poverty. Maybe because they are believed tobe involved in crimes. They are nomadic people and refused to settle down at one place. But now new generations are getting educated and choosing settled life. The Roma (gypsy) people have acknowledged their Indian origins long ago. Look at the flag of their community with a chakra
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One of the presidents of Brazil was of Gypsy descent from maternal side.
Juscelino Kubitschek - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
List of Romani people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There have been claims that Charlie Chaplin was of Gypsy descent.
 
They are one of the most persecuted people in world even to this date and suffering from poverty. Maybe because they are believed tobe involved in crimes. They are nomadic people and refused to settle down at one place. But now new generations are getting educated and choosing settled life. The Roma (gypsy) people have acknowledged their Indian origins long ago. Look at the flag of their community with a chakra

It's more then a belief, trust me....
 
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