Ethiopia army voices readiness to pay the price for Nile dam

[Nishan_101]

Ethiopia population is around 90 million, the Muslims in Ethiopia is roughly 60% (although the official Numbers from the government is 36.5%) which is funny considering the last census it was 45%-50% of the population, the muslims have the highest birthrate by far and conversion out of islam is almost non existent yet they shrank by 15%.lol (the % was reduced for political reasons)

The Ethiopians Government is christian dominated yet the army is almost 80% Muslim (except the officers). Similar to what syria had Most the army was Sunni but the officers and the ruling power are alawites, In general in Ethiopian army is poorly equipped but their quality is in the numbers which they can mass, in a conventional war they wouldn't stand a chance against egypt, however to invade ethiopia is very hard due to the terrians in the north where the dam is (similar to Afghanistan).

The only confrontation i can see would be long range (airstrikes, medium range missiles from the red sea etc), Ethiopia has depolyed SAM Batteries around the dam but don't know if that is to bluff the egyptians as it might not be enough to deter the egyptians if they are continued with the plan of destroying the dam. Ethiopians are getting encouraged and Pushed By Israel to test the egyptians nerves and see how far they can get away with but if an egyptian attack in imminent after all the diplomatic effort been exhausted i would expect ethiopia to back down.

This is my First post on this forum i hope my knowledge of africans affairs would help fellow members in here.




you can't bomb it when its half full unless you want nearly 40 Billion cubic meters spilling over towards khartoum (sudan) wiping out the city and 300 meters from each bank along the way. If you want to bomb the dam its either before it gets filled or it's too late.

Sir you have made a nice post. Are you a Muslim? Also Egypt must let them know their existence and show of them their powers. They should form up a board and make a plan for the storage and release of water on timely basis. Moreover, Egypt should try to make Dams on its own home land and make some new extra wide canals extracted from the Nile that would be reaching far end to its territory and also utilize Run of River Electricity from Nile and its Canals.

 

[sarthak]

Nuke Saudi Arabia? All of it at once

Stupid Indian. Maybe you need to airlift the 3 million indians living in Saudi Arabia before nuking it.

You couldn't deal with bunch of Kashmiris at home let alone attacking Saudi Arabia which will result to your destruction. Go cheats thumping somewhere else cow piss drinker. India can't wage a war beyond its borders. Pakistan will eat you alive if you ever think you got some muscles to flex.

Egypt has the right to bomb the dam if it is going to be a threat to its national security. Israel went all the way to Sudan, did the same to Syria, Lebanon and Iraq when it came to its national security. I didn't see any sanction imposed on Israel for violating international law ! Sanctions Egypt is very hard thing to do since it has GCC back up whom the superpower companied can't sanction. Saudi Arabia went several miles inside yemen and have its troops deployed in Bahrain where the superpower stayed put.

, what's 3 million when we have a billion? Besides , we haven't "dealt" with Kashmiris because they are our own citizens and we care for them , stupid goat humping camel piss drinking bedouin. We have more than 200 nukes in our arsenal , we can literally destroy your entire country in a matter of seconds ( not that we want to , or have any reason for doing so). Your technologically primitive nation can just send some camel swordsmen , nothing more. We don't need to send a single soldier to your desert to fight you. Our missiles and nukes can complete the job in a matter of minutes. LOL , Pakistan will eat us alive? A country 10 times bigger in area and population. Is that what your uncle Osama taught you?

 

[Informant]

, what's 3 million when we have a billion? Besides , we haven't "dealt" with Kashmiris because they are our own citizens and we care for them , stupid goat humping camel piss drinking bedouin. We have more than 200 nukes in our arsenal , we can literally destroy your entire country in a matter of seconds ( not that we want to , or have any reason for doing so). Your technologically primitive nation can just send some camel swordsmen , nothing more. We don't need to send a single soldier to your desert to fight you. Our missiles and nukes can complete the job in a matter of minutes. LOL , Pakistan will eat us alive? A country 10 times bigger in area and population. Is that what your uncle Osama taught you?

wut? @Arabian Legend

 

[Belew_Kelew]

EU and the US are very close allies of Ethiopia and will certainly get involved. I assure you that most world powers do not have any interest in Egypt whatsoever. Egypt might be a weapon buyer from Russia , but that's that. Egypt is devoid of any significant natural resources like petroleum and has no major industries to speak of. On the other hand, the world needs Ethiopia's help fighting militant groups like Al Shabab and Al Qaeda.

Egypt is more important to America than Ethiopia. Everyone in the horn of africa knows that al shabab is an ethiopian aided group. (most of al shabab weapons is from the ethiopian military). Egypt have more allies in africa and especially in the horn than Ethiopia, you will find that so called ethiopian allies in africa would be the first to hide if egypt do attack.

 

[agentny17]

Egypt will bomb the dam once its half full then whole Ethiopia will sink down.

If the dam collapse, Ethiopia won't be affected at all due to the location of the dam. Egypt and Sudan would be affected depending on how full is the dam. If the dam is half full, you can say bye bye to Sudan. If Nasser lake is half full in Egypt, you can say bye bye to the high dam and the the what would happen after that would not be pretty. The location of that the dam is at territory between Ethiopia and Sudan and the location is sharply inclined and not suitable for such a huge dam as i heard personally from Egyptian officials. This dam would decreases Egypt's share of water tremendously since it will take years to make it full(to generate power), and this would be repeated in droughts years. The effect of this dam is really bad in Egypt in more than what a lot of people think.
Saying that, i hope this could be solved without any confrontation.

 

[jandk]

, what's 3 million when we have a billion? Besides , we haven't "dealt" with Kashmiris because they are our own citizens and we care for them , stupid goat humping camel piss drinking bedouin. We have more than 200 nukes in our arsenal , we can literally destroy your entire country in a matter of seconds ( not that we want to , or have any reason for doing so). Your technologically primitive nation can just send some camel swordsmen , nothing more. We don't need to send a single soldier to your desert to fight you. Our missiles and nukes can complete the job in a matter of minutes. LOL , Pakistan will eat us alive? A country 10 times bigger in area and population. Is that what your uncle Osama taught you?

I don't know why you adopt such a hostile stance in all your posts? You just end up undermining your self and your arguments by doing so. Furthermore you invite racist and hostile reactions by the Arab members toward indians. A vicious circle of hatred and racism is created.
I'm an indian and I disagree with your methods. Even if you don't like Arabs ,learn to not take the bate sometimes.

 

[Belew_Kelew]

Sir you have made a nice post. Are you a Muslim? Also Egypt must let them know their existence and show of them their powers. They should form up a board and make a plan for the storage and release of water on timely basis. Moreover, Egypt should try to make Dams on its own home land and make some new extra wide canals extracted from the Nile that would be reaching far end to its territory and also utilize Run of River Electricity from Nile and its Canals.

Thank you Nishan.
Yes I am a Muslim alhamdulilah, This Nile Issue has been going on for almost 40 Years, Egypt even sank a ship loaded with dam supplies in the 1970's that got ethiopia to abandon its plan for much smaller dam back then. Ethiopia only moved ahead now because of the internal problems in egypt and lack of leadership. Ethiopia has refused all boards and monitoring by Egyptian engineers and are banned from visiting the dam that is what made ethiopian intention suspicious. Egypt has a big dam (Aswan dam) and a very large Man made lake (nasser lake) the problem is with the ethiopian dam the water flow is likely to decrease leaving Egyptians with shortages.

 

[Falcon29]

, what's 3 million when we have a billion? Besides , we haven't "dealt" with Kashmiris because they are our own citizens and we care for them , stupid goat humping camel piss drinking bedouin. We have more than 200 nukes in our arsenal , we can literally destroy your entire country in a matter of seconds ( not that we want to , or have any reason for doing so). Your technologically primitive nation can just send some camel swordsmen , nothing more. We don't need to send a single soldier to your desert to fight you. Our missiles and nukes can complete the job in a matter of minutes. LOL , Pakistan will eat us alive? A country 10 times bigger in area and population. Is that what your uncle Osama taught you?

Morsi had a plan in the Suez Canal to make all transportation there have their maintenance done there and it was calculated it would make up to 120$ billion a year for Egypt and the army coup and gulf nations brought Egypt down.

 

[Frogman]

Morsi had a plan in the Suez Canal to make all transportation there have their maintenance done there and it was calculated it would make up to 120$ billion a year for Egypt and the army coup and gulf nations brought Egypt down.

It wasn't Morsi's plan. There was always a will to update the Suez canal, but as always under Mubarak projects stagnated and backers fell out. The MB re-branded the project and sought foreign backers, the only thing different in this plan was that the administration and land upon which the project would be built can be leased to the highest backer for a number of years (that was deeply unpopular). The project is still ongoing under the supervision of the military (Morsi also refused to let the military oversee the project, even though the Suez Canal is an issue of national security to Egypt) with both domestic and foreign backers.

 

[Doritos11]

It wasn't Morsi's plan. There was always a will to update the Suez canal, but as always under Mubarak projects stagnated and backers fell out. The MB re-branded the project and sought foreign backers, the only thing different in this plan was that the administration and land upon which the project would be built can be leased to the highest backer for a number of years (that was deeply unpopular). The project is still ongoing under the supervision of the military (Morsi also refused to let the military oversee the project, even though the Suez Canal is an issue of national security to Egypt) with both domestic and foreign backers.

Don’t you think it would have been better if all of the Arab spring did not happen, Mubarak stayed in power

 

[Nishan_101]

Thank you Nishan.
Yes I am a Muslim alhamdulilah, This Nile Issue has been going on for almost 40 Years, Egypt even sank a ship loaded with dam supplies in the 1970's that got ethiopia to abandon its plan for much smaller dam back then. Ethiopia only moved ahead now because of the internal problems in egypt and lack of leadership. Ethiopia has refused all boards and monitoring by Egyptian engineers and are banned from visiting the dam that is what made ethiopian intention suspicious. Egypt has a big dam (Aswan dam) and a very large Man made lake (nasser lake) the problem is with the ethiopian dam the water flow is likely to decrease leaving Egyptians with shortages.

Still Sudan and Egypt needs to work on making bigger and better dams along with Canals networks within their country and also work on Ponds and Lakes all together and at once. This investment will surely help them forever.

 

[Falcon29]

It wasn't Morsi's plan. There was always a will to update the Suez canal, but as always under Mubarak projects stagnated and backers fell out. The MB re-branded the project and sought foreign backers, the only thing different in this plan was that the administration and land upon which the project would be built can be leased to the highest backer for a number of years (that was deeply unpopular). The project is still ongoing under the supervision of the military (Morsi also refused to let the military oversee the project, even though the Suez Canal is an issue of national security to Egypt) with both domestic and foreign backers.

He shouldn't, we know how corrupt the military brass can be it should civilian institution type of thing, he had the plan well thought out and if it went ahead it would have hurt the gulf countries the most. Egypt seriously could have gotten out of the economic crisis it is in today and he was having big plans for the agriculture in Egypt.

Don’t you think it would have been better if all of the Arab spring did not happen, Mubarak stayed in power

No, nothing would have changed, problem right now is change occurred and was reversed and in some cases there is a fight against change.

 

[Frogman]

He shouldn't, we know how corrupt the military brass can be it should civilian institution type of thing

It wasn't about the military using it's companies to gain contracts. The Suez Canal remains a vital matter of national security, if any project interferes with the military's ability to effectively move its troops from one side of the canal to the other then that should mean the military has to get involved. Even if it were about gaining governmental contracts, the military builds the highest quality roads, building, and factories in Egypt and does everything quickly and on budget.

, he had the plan well thought out and if it went ahead it would have hurt the gulf countries the most.

Considering the gulf nations were the biggest foreign financial backers of the project, then and now, that is or was highly unlikely. The project is going ahead by the way.

Egypt seriously could have gotten out of the economic crisis it is in today and he was having big plans for the agriculture in Egypt.

No, just no. His plans for agriculture in Egypt were severely flawed. For instance http://www.dailynewsegypt.com/2013/05/18/morsi-no-more-wheat-imports-within-four-years/

Egypt was and still isn't fully self sufficient on wheat to stop its import meant there was going to be a huge shortage, which happened. Exclusive: Egypt has less than two months imported wheat left - ex-minister| Reuters

Don’t you think it would have been better if all of the Arab spring did not happen, Mubarak stayed in power

No.

 

[Belew_Kelew]

Still Sudan and Egypt needs to work on making bigger and better dams along with Canals networks within their country and also work on Ponds and Lakes all together and at once. This investment will surely help them forever.

Well Sudan in an unexpected twist to the world has sided with Ethiopia Now (When i mean outsiders i meant all those who don't know sudanese as they tend to switch side depending on which side of the bed they get up). So politically this issue will get intresting as the time goes however military wise there is an expected outcome.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Ethiopia has no chance against Egypt.