Eritrea soon on board for the alliance against houthi's

[Belew_Kelew]

It's no surprise that a Saudi person would rather an African soldier die than their own countrymen. Every country is like that.

But what's surprising is that an Eritrean would rather an Eritrean die than a Saudi.

Eritrean would die for his family. Yemeni are cousins from one side of the family for eritreans. Iranians have been getting the houthi's to die for them and their hidden agenda. i think the iranians are suprised and the speed and capacity at which KSA were able to organize an alliance to smash the houthi's, Now you don't want to know what will happen if Iran ever attack ksa directly it won't be an allaince it will be a holy war.

 

[flamer84]

Dude Tigrigna today don't even make 35% of the Eritrean population today, that was maybe 30 years ago. The birthrate of the Muslims is almost double. The saho and Afars has doubled and many is predicting that saho and afars will be the two majority tribes in 50 years. The Nara and Kunama has increased as well. The Tigre especially those represented by the coastal Clans of Habab and Meshalit in semhar has more than doubled while the tigrigna shrank due to migration and low birthrate urban dwelling.

Also you forgot to mention that more than 20% of the tigrigna tribe are muslims or did you forgot to add the "Jeberti" for your convinence? Eritrean population is 6 Million and 2/3 of them is Muslim. Eritrea diaspora (1st,2nd gen. etc) is more than 2 Million and 90% of them Is muslim. If you are Eritrean it's not hard to figure it out the break up of the tribes and towns in Eritrea makes it easy. beside if you go to eritrea even the christians who are educated would tell you that. The number on Wiki is exactly the same percentage as the Ethiopian numbers for muslims which was fabricated for political reasons. all other main sources put muslim population in Eritrea at upto 65% while the government official source showed 50% for eritrea. The only way for eritrea to have a christian majority is to consider the jeberti and Tigre as christains which is not true.

Utter nonsense.Pls provide proofs for your statements,every link i found supports my view,your theory relies only on "i'm Eritreean,i know better".Sort of like i would say "Romania has 400 nukes,don't argue with me,i'm Romanian,i know better despite all the proofs out there".We can't have conclusions based on your wishes,we can have them based on proofs .Nothing out there supports your claims.

 

[mike2000 is back]

KSA-Eritrea or KSA-Israel, KSA-USA or KSA-Egyptian relations are none of your business or that of your fellow idiotic, obsessive and inferiority written Farsi trolls here on PDF or elsewhere.

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I agree with you on this, KSA can cooperate with ANY country it wants, be it Israel, U.S, etc, Its none of Iran's business, if Irans Mullahs are too paranoid about these countries, then its their own problem/business, nobody really cares. At the end of the day, KSA does what is in its best interests, doesnt matter with which countries it cooperates. Geo politics is a dirty game,there are no rules as long as your interests are met, thats what counts. The end always justifies the means.

So Iran can leep it paranoia with Israel/U.S/west, while the world moves on. Not even China/Russia are this paranoid about cooperating with Israel/U.S when they deem it necessary.

 

[xenon54 out]

"Romania has 400 nukes,don't argue with me,i'm Romanian,i know better despite all the proofs out there"

 

[Madali]

Eritrean would die for his family. Yemeni are cousins from one side of the family for eritreans.

Okay, let me try to wrap my mind around this Eritrean logic. An Eritrean would die for his Yemeni cousin by killing his Yemeni cousin on the orders of his Saudi brother who wouldn't sacrifice his life.

Ouch. My brain hurts.

 

[Belew_Kelew]

Utter nonsense.Pls provide proofs for your statements,every link i found supports my view,your theory relies only on "i'm Eritreean,i know better".Sort of like i would say "Romania has 400 nukes,don't argue with me,i'm Romanian,i know better despite all the proofs out there".We can't have conclusions based on your wishes,we can have them based on proofs .Nothing out there supports your claims.

so what do you want me to do? go and change wiki page in the demographic section to 70%? where is the source where eritrea is a christian majority country? wiki says PEW and pew says wiki and not one government site claims that christians are majority it would be a laughing stock among both christians and muslims in eritrea as everyone knows the real numbers. Most of the eritrean web sources claims that Muslims are either more or even in terms of percentage. It just seems like you are one of those lazy wiki sourcer, do your homework start following the % follow up from the 1960's steadily climbing and all of a sudden with known source the population of Eritrea's muslim is halved in one year, hmmm very hard to hide 1-2 million people don't you think. you also need to understand the political intention of playing with demographic numbers.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

@mike2000 is back

People of the Horn of Africa are very different from other Africans. I mean many people, especially Africans, talk about Africa like it was 1 united continent with the same people while in reality it is the most diverse place on the planet and the differences are huge. It's like saying that all the people of the MENA region are identical, Europe, Asia etc.

Many peoples (ethnic groups) in the Horn of Africa are of Semitic origins or at least they speak a Semitic language and historically the ancient civilizations of the Horn of Africa and the Arabian Peninsula have had close historical ties. I think that you are unfamiliar with this situation with all due respect.

Most if not almost all of our Afro-Arabs are also originally from the Horn of Africa and many Horners live and work in the GCC.

I can assure you that Horners are a world apart from other Africans. I don't even think that they consider themselves as Sub-Saharan Africans but rather as a unique group of peoples within Africa. Also they look differently than the average African especially the Semitic speaking peoples. They look like a mixture of Semitic peoples (Western Asians) and Horners (Cushitic peoples).

DNA also confirms this.

Ethiopian Mitochondrial DNA Heritage: Tracking Gene Flow Across and Around the Gate of Tears

In fact anthropologists and racialists have always classified the Horners as Caucasian peoples even.

Caucasian race - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I can spot an Horner person instantly and in many cases their facial features are very similar to our (Arabian/Arab/Semitic).

So yes, I would almost say that they (especially the Semitic speaking peoples of Horn of Africa) are our cousins.

Those two were/are related to begin with although that relation dates back many, many millenniums. All speaking the same wider language family (Afro-Asiatic) which is the oldest linguistic family on the planet.

Afroasiatic languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I have little time on my hands now but I am sure that @Belew_Kelew can explain this relationship deeper.

That is why Horn of Africa will also be dear to me or most of us that know history.

That's why I have been calling for much bigger ties between the Arabian Peninsula (GCC and Yemen) and Horn of Africa for years! On PDF too.

Of course also with Africa as a whole as we are neighbors.

@ebray @Saho @Aegis DDG

What we also have in common is coffee, qat ( ) and many similar dishes. Landscapes and climate too. The mountains of Western Arabia are an extension of the mountains of the Horn of Africa.

Personally I would love to visit Horn of Africa especially Eritrea and Ethiopia.

 

[Belew_Kelew]

Okay, let me try to wrap my mind around this Eritrean logic. An Eritrean would die for his Yemeni cousin by killing his Yemeni cousin on the orders of his Saudi brother who wouldn't sacrifice his life.

Ouch. My brain hurts.

Houthi's who are from the north are not related to us, only Eastern and southern Yemeni's. If you were famous of ancient Sabeans and Himyar and their tribes. infact many of the eritreans tribes used to live in yemen in those eastern yemen area's.

 

[Madali]

Houthi's who are from the north are not related to us, only Eastern and southern Yemeni's. If you were famous of ancient Sabeans and Himyar and their tribes. infact many of the eritreans tribes used to live in yemen in those eastern yemen area's.

Oh so its a tribal thing. Sorry, we usually have a hard time thinking in terms of tribes that's why I was confused. Thanks for clarifying it.

 

[flamer84]

so what do you want me to do? go and change wiki page in the demographic section to 70%? where is the source where eritrea is a christian majority country? wiki says PEW and pew says wiki and not one government site claims that christians are majority it would be a laughing stock among both christians and muslims in eritrea as everyone knows the real numbers. Most of the eritrean web sources claims that Muslims are either more or even in terms of percentage. It just seems like you are one of those lazy wiki sourcer, do your homework start following the % follow up from the 1960's steadily climbing and all of a sudden with known source the population of Eritrea's muslim is halved in one year, hmmm very hard to hide 1-2 million people don't you think. you also need to understand the political intention of playing with demographic numbers.

I've posted a non wiki link before.You only post stories.Spare me the rants,post a link or stop this nonsense.

Here,more links :

Eritrea Muslim Population Article

Eritrea | history - geography :: Religion | Encyclopedia Britannica

Religions - Eritrea

This one belongs to an Eritreean embassy (oficial as it gets):

Religion and Society » Embassy of The State of Eritrea

Eritrea Religion Stats: NationMaster.com

 

[Madali]

I've posted a non wiki link before.You only post stories.Spare me the rants,post a link or stop this nonsense.

Here,more links :

Eritrea Muslim Population Article

Eritrea | history - geography :: Religion | Encyclopedia Britannica

Religions - Eritrea

This one belongs to an Eritreean embassy (oficial as it gets):

Religion and Society » Embassy of The State of Eritrea

Eritrea Religion Stats: NationMaster.com

Well, I think he is a bit right in the sense that there are no 100% reliable source, because they don't have an official census in their country.

Look at this thread and you can see the arguments between Eritrean Christians & Muslims and they can't come up with a reliable number. The Christians claim they are 60% and the Muslims say they are 60% and apparently their government says 50/50 to keep everyone happy.

Ethnic and Religious Statistics of Eritrea • Ethiopian News Forum

From that thread it seems the only official governmental census was from the 90s, so that's more than two decades ago.

Which means, the percentage of Muslims or Christians in Eritrea generally depends if you are a Christian or Muslim.

 

[flamer84]

Well, I think he is a bit right in the sense that there are no 100% reliable source, because they don't have an official census in their country.

Look at this thread and you can see the arguments between Eritrean Christians & Muslims and they can't come up with a reliable number. The Christians claim they are 60% and the Muslims say they are 60% and apparently their government says 50/50 to keep everyone happy.

Ethnic and Religious Statistics of Eritrea • Ethiopian News Forum

From that thread it seems the only official governmental census was from the 90s, so that's more than two decades ago.

Which means, the percentage of Muslims or Christians in Eritrea generally depends if you are a Christian or Muslim.

True,but still they can't claim they the majority like those 2 posters did as if they personally conducted their own referendums.From lack of anything else we must rely on current data.

 

[Madali]

True,but still they can't claim they the majority like those 2 posters did as if they personally conducted their own referendums.From lack of anything else we must rely on current data.

This is generally happens among most people. The MENA section isn't well versed with data & such, we are so used to anecdotes & relying on our personal experience. This is why usually elections always have a huge fall out. Which ever side loses claims there was fraud, because the person looks around, and sees all his friends and families voted like him, so he can't imagine anyone voting anything else.

One Egyptian poster in this forum on the Morsi confidently said that he doesn't think that Morsi has even 5% support. This is a guy who got 51.73% votes (and imagine several others who supported him but didn't vote, due to age, laziness, etc). So in a year, almost 12 million people changed their minds? It makes no logical sense, but they are confident when they say this, because they see their circle of friends all thinking the same way, so they assume, hey, it's impossible if it is more. You can give them data & facts, but it won't matter.

 

[Belew_Kelew]

@mike2000 is back


Afroasiatic languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I have little time on my hands now but I am sure that @Belew_Kelew can explain this relationship deeper.

That is why Horn of Africa will also be dear to me or most of us that know history.

That's why I have been calling for much bigger ties between the Arabian Peninsula (GCC and Yemen) and Horn of Africa for years! On PDF too.

Of course also with Africa as a whole as we are neighbors.

@ebray @Saho @Aegis DDG

What we also have in common is coffee, qat ( ) and many similar dishes. Landscapes and climate too. The mountains of Western Arabia are an extension of the mountains of the Horn of Africa.

Personally I would love to visit Horn of Africa especially Eritrea and Ethiopia.

Saif Al Arab you are 100% correct.

Afro-Asiatic language is also known as the Erythrean Language group as well because all of the languages within it's branch are believed to be born in the proximity of the red sea with both sides of the banks. Which many historian believe it might have split from one language 10,000 years ago.

As for History specifically between Horners and Arabs, Many Mixtures has happen while semitic waves moved and settled in the horn as evident in the language. Basically most of the Himyarites and sabeans migrated to the horn once their civilizations started to decline. I can go more indepth into this if you guys want me to.

Oh so its a tribal thing. Sorry, we usually have a hard time thinking in terms of tribes that's why I was confused. Thanks for clarifying it.

That is cool. I am not sure if Iran have tribal culture But Arabs and africans are closely tied to it.

 

[Madali]

That is cool. I am not sure if Iran have tribal culture But Arabs and africans are closely tied to it.

There is the usual, my street is better than your street, my city is better than your city, but I don't think we generally have a very strong tribal culture. There is a very good Arabic proverb that I think says best about their culture, "I against my brother, my brothers and I against my cousins, then my cousins and I against strangers". I think it's a very good saying.