Erdogan says Turkish offensive will target Syrian towns of Manbij and Raqqa

[Glavcom]

A Ukrainian, who's country surrendered territory without even firing a bullet at the real invaders (Russians), has no right to make a judgement on warfare. The only reason why anyone still visits your miserable shit hole of a country is because the women are very beautiful and quite easy to have (I'd have a lot fun with as much as 3 of your countrywomen for only 500$) since you useless Ukrainian men are either dirt poor or too busy getting killed by rebels in the East because your country is too dirt poor to properly equip you, all that has to be done is fly in on a Friday and do whatever you want in Kiev. Your country is the worlds cumdumpster.

The task of taking Al Baba for Turks is not only and not so much military value, as a fashion. The political aspect is also very important. The soldiers of the Islamic State terrorist Turkish army dropped through the floor.

As a result - within a few months, one of the "strongest armies" NATO can not defeat the militant group of about 3-3.5 thousand, referring to al-Bab district, at least five-fold superiority in manpower! Not to mention the overwhelming superiority in artillery, armored vehicles and aircraft!

Pathetic, even you stronger Kurds!
If you are facing a real fight with the Russian your state and your army have used for a long time did not exist.

 

[Oublious]

Why feading the troll?


@cabatli_53

 

[SouI]

Assad will not fight PKK/YPG.....he will give them North Syria behind federation zone if PKK/YPG promise to only attack Turkey and not his syrian regime.

He must by now know that it will eventually lead to separation like it is happening in Iraq.

And there is no room for ideologies and emotions in geopolitics, so why would he merely want Turkey to be destabilized in the first place?

A destabilized south east in Turkey would mean being pushed into the arms of EU, why would Russia be supportive of such a move one of its pawns (Syria) would do?

It just doesn't make any sense regardless whatever perspective you may use to look into such a logic that Assad solely wants to destabilize Turkey's SE.

 

[Bismarck]

Military group Islamic State again knocked out of the Turkish military and the pro-Turkish terrorists from the Syrian Free Army of Al-Bab. The Turks held a number of suburban sites. At the same time the Turkish representative literally said yesterday that the city was taken, it is cleansing, gunmen dumped outside the city limits.

The fact that during the war the Turks lie more than fishing and hunting, it is a fact. But in this war, the bar dropped altogether. Turks lied the last time! Before Iraqis, of course, it is far from the Turks, but the efforts were not to occupy the Turks. Turk can understand: there is the legend of the Turkish army, as the "strongest" in the region. According to figures out that way, but that's quite a feasible task regiment, Brigadier maximum, level, is simply unaffordable for the Turkish army!

Is there a special reason why you are angry or disappointed of turks or turkish government?

 

[JustHappened]

Is there a special reason why you are angry or disappointed of turks or turkish government?

My reason to be disappointed is cause Germans don't deliver intelligence from the TORNADOS located in Incirlik.
Go away, otherwise we will kick you in your behind

Traitor and hostile Germany

 

[Orez]

He must by now know that it will eventually lead to separation like it is happening in Iraq.

And there is no room for ideologies and emotions in geopolitics, so why would he merely want Turkey to be destabilized in the first place?

A destabilized south east in Turkey would mean being pushed into the arms of EU, why would Russia be supportive of such a move one of its pawns (Syria) would do?

It just doesn't make any sense regardless whatever perspective you may use to look into such a logic that Assad solely wants to destabilize Turkey's SE.

1)Contrary to Iraki Kurds, YPG is nothing more than PKK's syrian branch. A confederation zone in Syria is the not the objectif for YPG but a step to create a great Kurdistan wich include Turkey's territory.

2)Assad knew that YPG/PKK cannot manage to win against Turkey, so this why he will not hesitate to support/tolerate YPG in Syria. It for the same reason Assad's father supporter PKK during decade.
Both Assad knew, while PKK don't manage to steal Turkey's territory they would not dare to attack Syria which give them support and hide them.

3)Two things :
-Assad is very dependant of Russia, but it dosn't means he cannot push his own objectif.
-Its not certain Russia would not want a dangerous south east for Turkey, because all country hidding PKK (Irak, Iran, Syria) are all Russia's friend....Maybe Russia will be a good position to tell Turkey : leave Nato and all your neighbours will help you against PKK.
In any case I don't see why a destabilized south east would push Turkey to EU.


Since 1980, Turkey's neighbourd (Iran, Irak, Syria) supporter PKK while knowing that PKK's end goal would be not in their interest too. They did it because they knew that PKK would not be able to win against Turkey, and PKK would not dare to attack them while fighting Turkey.

This is Turkey's historical and geography problam. Historical because the first sponsor of PKK was URSS (which is why PKK was/is comunist) so Turkey's neighbours which was in soviet block help and hide them against Nato Turkey.
Geography too, because all of the country understand than before Turkey's fall PKK would not dare to attack them. So they unwillingless to fight PKK and their animosity against Turkey push them to ignore PKK at beast, support them at worst.

 

[Orez]

My reason to be disappointed is cause Germans don't deliver intelligence from the TORNADOS located in Incirlik.
Go away, otherwise we will kick you in your behind

Traitor and hostile Germany

This is forum, everyone can partcipate (at least if you are not a trol). And @birmark is certainly not.

 

[JustHappened]

This is forum, everyone can partcipate (at least if you are not a trol). And @birmark is certainly not.

Bismarck is active in almost all Turkish Defence forums, cotributing Turkish

Günaydin akilli kardesim.

 

[SouI]

because all country hidding PKK (Irak, Iran, Syria) are all Russia's friend....

It is not important, and again, there is no space for emotions in geopolitics.

Putin doesn't give a fock about Syria or Iran or the Kurds. All he wants is to keep his hegemony on natural gas to European markets, making sure Turkey will stay on their side so that straits will remain open, and have a warm water military port that is secured.

So your allegation of the case maybe "do this or else!!" in regards to pkk subjects makes no sense whatsoever.

It would be like "do as I say or I will shoot my own feet!!".

In any case I don't see why a destabilized south east would push Turkey to EU.

Almost all our production is in the west along with the population. Now open a map And circle the very west of the country. And now imagine the territory claimed by PKK gone and that thanks to Russia.

No more hope there would ever be for us to meddle relations ever again with them and they are probably one of the 2 or 3 countries why we are warming with the east in the first place.

And we would stop having borders with all countries in the east except for maybe Georgia.

THAT would push us into the lap of EU.

I don't even know how you couldn't see this..

 

[Orez]

Almost all our production is in the west along with the population. Now open a map And circle the very west of the country. And now imagine the territory claimed by PKK gone and that thanks to Russia.

Lol, do you realy think we can loss against PKK ?
Anyways your words was not the good one, you use the words "destabilized the south east" which means for me more PKK's attack while you're thinking about Turkey's losing territory.
Yes if Turkey lose the south east we will go more into EU's circle but Russia will certainly have more reason to don't support a Kurdistan than only prevent Turkey/UE relationship (and Turkey don't need to lose the south east to have good realtionship).

It is not important, and again, there is no space for emotions in geopolitics.

This is not about emotion, but fact.

Russia is the one with the most influence in Syria, Irak, Iran.....all Turkey's neighbours which at least tolerate PKK's base in their border.
Russia's don't need to menace, only to let know that Turkey would have much less difficulty to fight PKK if is neighbours country become less welcoming to PKK.

And Turkey is imortant to Russia's energy strategy too....Russia don't want other source like Azerbajan or Israel gaz to enter EU's markets.
Yes Israel can go by greece too, but their gaz price would be so much cheaper to pass by Turkey than Greece (the pipeline between Cyprus and Greece would need to be 5 time bigger).

 

[JustHappened]

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The task of taking Al Baba for Turks is not only and not so much military value, as a fashion. The political aspect is also very important. The soldiers of the Islamic State terrorist Turkish army dropped through the floor.

As a result - within a few months, one of the "strongest armies" NATO can not defeat the militant group of about 3-3.5 thousand, referring to al-Bab district, at least five-fold superiority in manpower! Not to mention the overwhelming superiority in artillery, armored vehicles and aircraft!

Pathetic, even you stronger Kurds!
If you are facing a real fight with the Russian your state and your army have used for a long time did not exist.



View attachment 378082

The task of taking Al Baba for Turks is not only and not so much military value, as a fashion. The political aspect is also very important. The soldiers of the Islamic State terrorist Turkish army dropped through the floor.

As a result - within a few months, one of the "strongest armies" NATO can not defeat the militant group of about 3-3.5 thousand, referring to al-Bab district, at least five-fold superiority in manpower! Not to mention the overwhelming superiority in artillery, armored vehicles and aircraft!

Pathetic, even you stronger Kurds!
If you are facing a real fight with the Russian your state and your army have used for a long time did not exist.

Your country is worth to be divided and an EU Playground

 

[Bismarck]

My reason to be disappointed is cause Germans don't deliver intelligence from the TORNADOS located in Incirlik.
Go away, otherwise we will kick you in your behind

Traitor and hostile Germany

I am sorry, I don't take any picture from any area and never flown a tornado. If we don't share our intelligence with Turkey, we have our reasons.

Bismarck is active in almost all Turkish Defence forums, cotributing Turkish

Günaydin akilli kardesim.

Really? In which ones? Is there an any limit where I can participate in turkish defense forums?

 

[JustHappened]

we have our reasons.

Is there an any limit where

There are no valid reasons except protecting PKK. You are on a NATO mission and have to share with your ally and host.
No there is no limit, but today you react like a Mimosa

 

[Bismarck]

There are no valid reasons except protecting PKK. You are on a NATO mission and have to share with your ally and host.
No there is no limit, but today you react like a Mimosa

The mission is ISIS and all relevant information will be shared with Turkey, as it is about ISIS.