TheCommander
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And i agree with you too mate, people must left alone with their faith but unfortunately AKP is not doing that.
Yes, there are extreme secularist people just like there are extreme islamists, extreme nationalists etc...
Even if it is elective, what is the point of this? I don't think encouragement of religion by state in the army, especially in Turkish army, is a good idea. As Saithan said, many people still considering it as the guarentor of Turkish Secularism. Leaving people with their faith alone should also cover the soldiers, but i can't see what good teaching a particular religion would bring to them. There are many Quran courses for that purpose...
And as Norboo said:
But it will be the opposite in short term, those who choose to learn Quran may face with 'mockery'. Then here we go, another wave of "Dinci ağlaklığı"...
And it might cause two different groups in the army which is, again, not good.
I got you my friend and understand your concern. However, in my opinion, allowing citizens (either in the military or police academy or somewhere else) is not encouragement of religion. I think it is the nature of secular state. Well you might say how secular state we are, it is true although in the constitution we are a secular state in the reality we are not a real secular state. This is another subject to discuss. My perspective for his as freedom of religion. And I do not agree that the army is the guarantor of secularism. We, as citizens, are the guarantor of our regime. Look at the world, sooner or later any regime that does not have public support collapse(d). As long as we support our regime, no politicians can change it. My friend, you also mention there are some Qur`an courses for the teach religion, but tell me please have you ever seen any students from military collage attending those courses? Until recently, our army unfortunately used to close to religious people. But, the army is our army and it must be open for every citizen regardless of their faith. If I am wrong, please correct me.
About the mockery, it is up to administration to prevent such a thing. We must learn to respect each other. I have been in the US for and believe me my friend, no one cares what you believe or what you do not believe. In this university, you can see very different people, but I have never seen any conflict among them. This should be our goal to reach. We cannot give up our right because of this kind of problem.
Right, let's say you are right and we won in the battle of dardanelles and the war of independence out of god's grace. So the god was hating us since the treaty of karlowitz? So Mustafa Kemal takes command and all miracles come together, suddenly we are more faithful? According to this logic we've been kafirs for more than a fvcking century so that's why we've lost Balkan wars.
Pull your heads out of your azzes men, it doesn't matter if Cpl. Seyit lifted that bullet or not we've won through superior tactics, morale and determination.
You are manipulating and taking out of contents what I said. The question was what will this course add to our soldiers? and you were saying our soldier can fight with the power of faith (iman). I showed what the faith added (can add) our soldier and people. I am not saying we won the battle of Dardanelles only because of our faithful soldier, but as Ataturk said, the faith (iman) played an important role to win the war. In my opinion, in order to win a war, a country must have a good military technology, but at the same time faithful soldiers. The era you talked about was totally different subject and it must be counted based on the conditions and situations at that time. You might disagree that faith is not important and then tell me how you can explain our leaders words and other examples I gave?
Besides, you said
. I think you need a serious lesson about the battle of Dardanelles. Why do you think Seyit Onbasi is a legend? What happened after he hit the British Ocean battleship? In addition, could you elaborate because of what superior tactics we won the battle?it doesn't matter if Cpl. Seyit lifted that bullet or not we've won through superior tactics, morale and determination
Last word, when you talk to me DO NOT USE INAPPROPRIATE LANGUAGE please.