TheCommander
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And I'm saying it's pure BS. Sinking of HMS Ocean was indeed important I won't argue with that. But we've had faith we have fought with it for centuries. You can't explain to me Ottoman defeats from the treaty of Karlowitz to the treaty of Sevres. This religious bs brought the mighty Ottoman Empire to it's knees. We won't make the same mistake again.
Heroism comes from defending our homes. And the bravery of our officers inspire our troops. I don't know about you but I'd want my son to serve under better tacticians not better muslims.
Last but not least, I am not the one who manipulate. It's you who's trying to underestimate Ataturk's role in our history.
What tactics he says, Lt. Colonel Kemal has predicted three landing points Brits was going to use in Gallipoli out of six possible landing sites. Through his extraordinary military understanding and intelligence. Without his brilliant and inspirational leadership we'd be doomed.
First of all, you are confused. There were two main wars in the Dardanelles: naval war and ground war. During the naval war, French and British navies were defeated which I gave Seyit Onbasi as most important example of naval war. In the ground war, there were different battlegrounds. One of them was Aribunu. In April 25th 1915, Britisth troops were stopped in Ariburnu by 19th Division under command of Mustafa Kemal. After this success he was promoted to Colonel. British troops, restarted attacking in Ariburnu in August 6-7th 1915 and they were defeated by turkish troops under the command of Lt. Colonel Mustafa Kemal. Likewise, they were defeated in Kirectepe and Anafartalar which Lt. Colonel Mustafa Kemal was named as "hero of Anafarta". I must say noone can underestimate Mustafa Kemal and I never do such a thing. I appreciate his leadership, military skill, knowledge and success. However, besides these battlegrounds, there were other battlegrounds that were led by different commanders (Seddulbahir, 2nd and 3rd Kirte, Zigindere battlegrounds). We must give credits to those as well.
Again you are talking about an era which more than 200 years and as I said you must consider the situation and condition of that era. There were many things affected those defeats (economical, social, technological, political problems) and you are relating all defeats to religion. This is the exact BS. If it is related to religion, then tell me how ottoman empire 200-300 years ruled the five continents?
Let me tell you the differences between you and me:
I say: I prefer my son to serve under a commander who is a highly skilled, knowledgeable, intelligent, and faithful.
You say: I'd want my son to serve under better tacticians not better muslims.
I say (like our leader and many other good examples. Also look at the US army, Israel army (Israeli soldiers recite Torah whereever they find to recite)): Faith can give determination, strength, and courage to soldiers.
You say: Faith brings almighty soldiers to their knees.
I also say: 98% of this country is muslim. It is so normal a student to learn his/her religion. In my perspective it is a matter of freedom of religion which a secular state must assure.
I also say: The army is our army and its not a monopoly of any group. Hence, our army must open eveyone
I also say: Noone should be fired from the army because of his/her faith.