I totally agree, of course; The problem was he showed up on our awesome thread and berated our FREMM Bergamini which I was praising so much cuz they look so good and are loaded with killer systems and calling them "pathetic" because it only had 16 Aster 15 VLS and it was useless. Forst of all, he was totally wrong, and it wasn't the Bergamini FREMM that only had 16.
First of all. it was only the single French FREMM Aquitaine that had only 16 VLS operational and the rear compartment was closed off with a large metal panel. All the other Frigates the EN are purchasing are all contained with 32 VLS mixed with both, the Aster 15 & 30. The rear closed up temporarily was because of two reasons; 1) Sisi said since we paid in full, it was absolutely critical for that ship to show up to the new Suez Canal opening. 2) So that was also one of the reasons why the French had to do that because they ran out of time and did not want to fail the delivery time, remember that?
The problem ended up being my reporting of that post of his lying Bergamini that it was untrue and insulting, I don't think I have seen a single Egyptian member visit any of the Turkey forums so why this guy is so jealous to the point he had to do that angered me a little because the mods did nothing to correct the situation, so I took it into my own hands even at the risk of getting banned. Someone had to it and now it's done. Think of it, had I not made that stink, it would not have all of been only him, many others who hate this incredible modernization at the speed of light that Sisi & co. are doing are now finally figuring out that it isn't Gulf money because it's waaaay too much lol and that's pissing them off even more because they don't have the financial abilities to negotiate the same good deals. Plus, there are the major Egyptian haters that would've flooded the thread.
so that was my motivation was to put an end at the negativity (and I told him,) he and any others can participate if they want to ask why the VLS are empty and I would've told him it was only one requested by the EN and the rest are all 32 VLS and showed him plenty of pics. Just be polite no need to be insulting. we never do that to others quite the contrary.
The MEKO A200 series has some of the most AMAZING systems in it that one day I will showcase them all and especially the fuel-saving aspect for long journeys it undergoes which is genius. I hope that makes sense since I think the mods are too busy
I was thinking the same exact thing. I'm not very familiar with Chinese A2A missiles but it's pretty easy to determine that the order of numbers in the missiles is that they tell a very obvious story and each new and better missile are getting better and bigger numbers. PL-10 was a fine missile, PL-12 was better, PL-15 was very sought after and I wouldn't think they would even sell the missile, let alone ToT it. But that is my personal opinion, and I could be wrong.
We, as the EAF, when we spend $$60 billion on ships and another order of 30 more Rafales (just on the French), the LEAST they should do is include the Meteor missile in that 2nd batch of 30 and if they don't want to because of that little biatcha entity next door after 40 years of the peace treaty we had and giving 1/3 of our precious biblical land to the MFO and using that is the most disrespectful thing I have ever heard and what is their purposeful delay for upgrading the original 24 Rafales to the F-3R? We know why, because as soon as they do it, it will be capable of firing the meteor as well. This is why a very high EAF positioned colonel or general should stand up at the table and raise his voice that after all the money we spent on your stuff, and we are most certainly the reason why your orders have quintuple. And now you're giving us the shaft!?!?!?!? WE are the reason why you started getting hundreds of orders after that and you treat us for the sake of a country that not only do we not give two shits about, but we have a treaty of no fighting with them or the US will take their side and you don't owe them ANYTHING!!!!! They haven't bought a single thing from you in 50 years while we've spent $billions. TIME TO STAND UP ANDBE COUNTED!
I guarantee you this is the reason why we're going with the Eurofighter Typhoons because the Italians should be able to sit down with MBDA and convince them of all the stuff I just mentioned. If the Italians pull it off I guarantee that will be the end of the Rafale in Egypt and they will continue to purchase future EURO Tranches of Typhoons and drop the Rafales at 54 forever.
We have our own policy according to our interests, which conflicts with the interests of some countries. Nevertheless, we are working to build common ground with some countries for common interests.
We come to the story of the air-to-air missiles. Egypt will get Meteor missiles if it did not already have it. To make it clear, every Rafale plane will be equipped with 6 Meteor missiles. The problem is the cost. Even the Rafale F3R will also get Mica-Ng missiles when it is available. Deals with France or Italy if not. The deal for 30 Rafale aircraft is met, including the export of the missile, as well as supplying the older aircraft, after updating their weapons programs.
Regarding the Chinese PL-15E missiles
Also, according to the interests between Egypt and China, and to clarify an important point, the deals are comprehensive. Egypt has already bought the HQ-17 & HQ-18, then it is heading to buy the HQ-17AE and also negotiating the Sky Dragon 50/DK-10. It is very natural that you implement several deals and get another deal. local to one of the systems
You buy weapons from China for billions
The Russian-Ukrainian war demonstrated the importance of having huge numbers of air defense batteries. Egypt needs to develop systems such as Crotal / Chapperal / Amoum, whether rebuilding with new missiles such as integrating the SD-10 missile into the Amoun system, as well as expanding the Egyptian air defense network.
Egypt is a big buyer of Chinese anti-tank missiles HJ-11/HJ-8/HJ-10/CM-501/502 and produces systems such as the HJ-8/11 locally. A Toyota pick-up with four HJ-8/11 launchers appeared in one of the shows.
Along with huge numbers of drones
Part of all of these deals includes technology transfer
The PL-12/SD-10 missile is considered an old missile now, and China has stopped developing new models of it and moved to the PL-15 missile in the export version
As some say, China has the PL-17/21, so the PL-15 missile is not the latest in its arsenal and does not have a strategic impact on its export or even its production under license.
There is a Western-Chinese conflict over the countries of the Middle East and cooperation with them. Egypt and the Gulf are a huge market for China. Trade between Egypt and China is $19 billion in favor of China by 80%.
China has the Belt and Road Initiative
You want to do it and Egypt is one of the axes
Europe is learning the lesson well, as it lost the Arab countries when it restricted the transfer of technology and also transferred its investments to the countries of Southeast Asia with hatred in the neighboring Arab countries, so the countries of Southeast Asia became monsters that would not have mercy on Europe and its economy and became its competitor and superior to it
When China tried with Egypt, whether by not respecting Egyptian interests in the Nile Basin countries and China's support for Ethiopia, Egypt waved to China cooperation with the interests of Europe, which targets China in Africa.
China knows very well that the alternative to cooperation with it will be India and South Korea, so will it leave the Egyptian market or seek cooperation and technology transfer?
Therefore, China will not risk not meeting the Egyptian needs
We mentioned previously that the problem is not in China or Europe, but rather in the Egyptian administration and leadership, which in propaganda suggests to some that it is developing, while the opposite is happening. What is being done in terms of developing the military industry is simple, limited, and less than the older plans of Egypt. The Egyptian treasury has become forced to locally manufacture, not out of love for development. Everyone knows the nature of the Egyptian administration in that it will not continuously develop the PL-15 missile and derive newer generations from it.
As any respectable countries do, but only limited updates. Therefore, Egypt continues to search for newer technology in the future. They are not looking for natural technical development. The military are failing in this field. There is no military-led country that has succeeded. Even North Korea has succeeded in some systems, but its people are almost suffering from starvation.
The Egyptian contracts with China, of course, are a factor of pressure on companies such as MBDA, especially since they only possess old technologies on missiles such as the Exocet, while the Chinese have surpassed them technically.
The Europeans are very jealous, for example, the Chinese produced the HQ-11FE system, with a missile range of 160 kilometers that exceeds the ASTER-30 system, and at a very low price that will not exceed $100 million for the battery. It is naive to go for the SAMP/T battery.
At a price of 800 million dollars
The importance of the PL-15 missile to Egypt is the large numbers required, and any global armament producer finds a customer who buys large quantities of weapons. It is natural that it is preferable that the local production of this weapon take place for a very simple reason.
Production lines in any country working to meet national needs
In addition, the Chinese Air Force owns 2000 aircraft, which it needs to meet its need for this missile. China is working on exporting FC-1/J-10/FC-31/35 aircraft. Each aircraft that will be exported from this aircraft will supply between 4-6 missiles for each exported aircraft. The volume of export and the volume of China's domestic market will be greater than the capacity of China's domestic production lines
Another point that China knows very well. We assume that Egypt signed a deal to buy 1,000 PL-15 missiles and produce it locally. It will go because it is produced locally. Egypt will expand its internal market so that it will be incorporated into a local air defense system, and the local requirements of the missile will double.
From 1000 missiles to 2000 missiles, therefore, China obtains greater profits from linking, for example, Egypt's purchase of the missile with an aircraft such as the J-10CE. China will benefit from meeting the Egyptian needs in more deals. A country that has the flexibility to meet Egypt's military deals, Egypt will turn to it.
We assume that there is a Chinese and European refusal to sell Gogo missiles to Egypt, and Egypt will be forced to develop a local program, as other countries do, contending that there are European companies in exchange for money that provide technology to the buyer, and we have historical news about the Condor II missile project, although there is an American ban. I surveyed my previous bank to obtain technology from companies Rather, companies were created in Europe to bring talents to provide technology for the project, and there is a vivid example of Turkey that obtained technology from Europe for its missile projects, even with some European restrictions. For Egypt to go to industrialize its needs and not to force the Egyptians to develop their manufacturing capabilities and turn to practical research, this is against its interests and against the interests of their clients inside.
So the best solution for everyone's interests is for Europe to meet Egypt's weapons needs and for China to meet Egypt's needs for production licenses and local manufacture of some systems.
My point that this might teach him a lesson not to come to the Mighty Egyptian Armed Forces thread and start trashing our FREMMs and not just one, the Aquitaine which does currently have 16 VLS but he thinks we're stupid and that was a request by the EN not to add the additional 16 because they had other things in mind, All the other FREMMS which he picked on the Bergamini and MEKO are full loaded in their VLS with either Asster15 and 30s, always a combination of short and long. So he needed to be educated and I never told him not to participate in our thread, just stop using that insult on us "Pathetic" which frankly is quite demeaning that all. Hopefully LeGend took care of the issue.
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