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I know this guy so please stop embarrassing yourself , he can be sometimes on aggressive criticism wave but he absolutely loves the egy army and he is mostly right on most of his points
You are entitled to your opinion.. don't embarrass yourself by siding with him, I know he does not know what he is talking about, be it in these recent posts or others.. He is interested in this thread and in the Egyptian army with an agenda.. I can spot an ignorant from 10 000 km.. Do not get into this Mica.. keep your person neutral and do not embarrass yourself with him..
 
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You are entitled to your opinion.. don't embarrass yourself by siding with him, I know he does not know what he is talking about, be it in these recent posts or others.. He is interested in this thread and in the Egyptian army with an agenda.. I can spot an ignorant from 10 000 km.. Do not get into this Mica.. keep your person neutral and do not embarrass yourself with him..
You should get close to the mirror, apparently blindness is a bliss in Egypt!
 
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You obviously still live and think in the 60'.. your lack of knowledge and facts speak for itself..We can never agree, since you have a defeatist mind..your bashing of the Egyptian armed forces is an indication of a false flag my friend.. you talk like an Israeli..

Self criticism is important in any army in order to make it more successful , this is why Egypt was able to fix its past mistakes , we dont want to see Egypt a total failure Just like the Algerian , Sudanese and Syrian armies .

You can see clowns like https://defence.pk/pdf/members/ceylal.143815/ who thinks Algeria is a superpower even though they were defeated in all battles they participated in whether during their so called war of independence , sand war with morroco and finally Algerian civil war where they lost over 30,000 soldiers against few armed civilians .
 
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Ah maho 3ashan ma2oltesh kolo 3azeem kolo berfect akoon Israeli, gasoos, khayen. Ghayaro om el estewana el maksora deh baka gatkom elaraf. 7ata law Israeli el al keda ya roo7 omak mesh bey2ool haga ghalat. dafe3 we 3ras 3ala el mahazel el e7na benshofha, 3ady, absolutely. Bes e3raf eno door el wataniya el inta 3ayish feh dah howa sabab el fashal aslan we mesh beygeeb 7aga gheer fashal.

We fel akhar el 3aref 7aga menena howa damo el beyt7erek.

This is one of the most irrelevant,political,arrogant and biased comment I have ever seen from your side.
My friend as a piece of advice, put your political views aside to have a good judgment about any public issue....
If you don't see the changes that happening in the army so you must change your glasses to see things clear.
Finally...
You have used offensive words against a descent guy and one of the most active members who I don't know personally ..... I didn't except that from you.
 
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This is one of the most irrelevant,political,arrogant and biased comment I have ever seen from your side.
My friend as a piece of advice, put your political views aside to have a good judgment about any public issue....
If you don't see the changes that happening in the army so you must change your glasses to see things clear.
Finally...
You have used offensive words against a descent guy and one of the most active members who I don't know personally ..... I didn't except that from you.
The guy doesn't even know why Egypt was attacked in the 67' war and did not attack first, and what was the US role in it..Self criticism is good, but today's Egyptian armed forces are very self-conscious and much better educated than before.. he won't understand that the Egyptian soldiers and officers of today and from all branches are handling some of the most sophisticated weapons and military systems that exist.. and that needs high education..
I didn't want to get low like him, he lost his mind when confronted with truth.. and I have respect for his mother because she is irrelevant to the discussion..but he was Zaalan on everything as usual, even on the prophet:lol:
 
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This is one of the most irrelevant,political,arrogant and biased comment I have ever seen from your side.
My friend as a piece of advice, put your political views aside to have a good judgment about any public issue....
If you don't see the changes that happening in the army so you must change your glasses to see things clear.
Finally...
You have used offensive words against a descent guy and one of the most active members who I don't know personally ..... I didn't except that from you.

It's frustrating. I've had zero reasons to get political. I normally focus on the tactical. No amount of claims of best education, well being, and best equipment will change that Egyptian soldiers on the whole and especially in the infantry are incredibly poor riflemen.

Go back a couple of page on this thread and look at the amount of soldiers with poor trigger discipline, flagging their mates with loaded rifles, improperly dressed or using equipment improperly, and generally displaying behaviour that indicates them being poorly trained. Even our SF can't seem to properly use the new sights on the sigs and when they have a 30mm grenade launcher attached they don't have its leaf sight in place, ergo can't use them effectively.

Things are changing and you know when I see something positive I praise it whether it be the introduction of big ticket items or even a backpack. But that does not change the fact that Egyptian basic training is 45 days and essentially 30 rounds being fired.

I fail to see how making this point is political. I also fail to see how pointing out that Egypt's Officer corps dominates the Army is controversial or that its NCO spine is weak. It remains a force that hasn't changed structurally for decades, and that's where change does need to happen and it's exactly where changes are not happening. It is no wonder that fully professional units in the Navy, Air Force, and Air Defence outperform their conscripted peers.

I couldn't give less of a shit about what happened 50 years ago, disagree with how I see things fine. But don't act like I'm saying something that isn't incredibly evident now.

I also reserve the right to insult dullards who think I'm Israeli for disagreeing with what has become an official line.

he won't understand that the Egyptian soldiers and officers of today and from all branches are handling some of the most sophisticated weapons and military systems that exist

Come visit London's specialist private hospitals and talk to Officers who were amputated because they were sent on operations with M113s and Fahds. Without any counter IED training or equipment such as ground penetrating radar or counter signal jammers. Or how about those that bleed out regularly because they aren't given medical equipment (toniquets, chest seals, bandages, sellox, morphine etc) and there isn't a combat search and rescue/forward aeromedical evacuation system in place, there's no combat medics, and by the time they're evacuated civilian ambulances they're either dead or die on the way to hospital, which in its self is unprepared for crash trauma of this sort.
 
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It's frustrating. I've had zero reasons to get political. I normally focus on the tactical. No amount of claims of best education, well being, and best equipment will change that Egyptian soldiers on the whole and especially in the infantry are incredibly poor riflemen.

Go back a couple of page on this thread and look at the amount of soldiers with poor trigger discipline, flagging their mates with loaded rifles, improperly dressed or using equipment improperly, and generally displaying behaviour that indicates them being poorly trained. Even our SF can't seem to properly use the new sights on the sigs and when they have a 30mm grenade launcher attached they don't have its leaf sight in place, ergo can't use them effectively.

Things are changing and you know when I see something positive I praise it whether it be the introduction of big ticket items or even a backpack. But that does not change the fact that Egyptian basic training is 45 days and essentially 30 rounds being fired.

I fail to see how making this point is political. I also fail to see how pointing out that Egypt's Officer corps dominates the Army is controversial or that its NCO spine is weak. It remains a force that hasn't changed structurally for decades, and that's where change does need to happen and it's exactly where changes are not happening. It is no wonder that fully professional units in the Navy, Air Force, and Air Defence outperform their conscripted peers.

I couldn't give less of a shit about what happened 50 years ago, disagree with how I see things fine. But don't act like I'm saying something that isn't incredibly evident now.

I also reserve the right to insult dullards who think I'm Israeli for disagreeing with what has become an official line.



Come visit London's specialist private hospitals and talk to Officers who were amputated because they were sent on operations with M113s and Fahds. Without any counter IED training or equipment such as ground penetrating radar or counter signal jammers. Or how about those that bleed out regularly because they aren't given medical equipment (toniquets, chest seals, bandages, sellox, morphine etc) and there isn't a combat search and rescue/forward aeromedical evacuation system in place, there's no combat medics, and by the time they're evacuated civilian ambulances they're either dead or die on the way to hospital, which in its self is unprepared for crash trauma of this sort.
Everyone has suffered from IEDs..look at the US losses in Iraq and Afghanistan.. no one can say that the US army lacks medics or anything..
 
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Everyone has suffered from IEDs..look at the US losses in Iraq and Afghanistan.. no one can say that the US army lacks medics or anything..

That's not the point and the comparison is largely flawed.

Yes, Coalition forces suffered from the IED in Afghanistan being the largest mechanism of injury and fatality. But they also had a duty of care towards their soldiers and their well being that was acted upon. This is a case of something being done rather than being said.

The chances of survival upon serious injury rise exponentially if the casualty is treated within the first ten minutes and delivered to a surgery capable trauma center within an hour, or the Golden Hour.

In an attempt to deliver that every rifleman is medically trained for casualty first aid to include gun shot wounds and IED amputation. Every platoon has a professional medical technician (combat medic) who can conduct more complex procedures. To that end a first response is guaranteed and quickly.

That is then followed by a sophisticated medical/casualty evacuation system that is layered to respond to different seriousness in injury, what you have is a mixture of company aid posts, regimental aid posts, and then field hospitals. We're interested in the latter as it is what usually deals with serious IED injuries.

In order to garuntee casualties are delivered to a field hospital (Camp Bastion) forwaed aeromedical evacution was shared by the US Air Force (Pedro Blackhawks which would deploy even if LZ was hot), UK Army Air Corps (Chinooks that could provide a limited amount of surgery escorted by Apaches but would only land if LZ was clear), and the US Army (similar to the Pedros).

Once at Bastion casualties would undergo surgery in the best crash trauma hospital in the world. Also capable of inpatient treatment till casualties can be transported for further treatment on home soil.

Before any of that Coalition forces were given the best chance they could to defeat or avoid IEDs. Every individual soldier taught how to pick out discrepancies while patrolling as part of a 5 to 20m check and to walk in each others footsteps.

They patrolled with the right equipment whether that be MRAPs, Ground penetrating radar and mineral detectors for a point man, signal jammers both on vehicles and man packed, and simple stuff like spray paint or mine tape to lay out safe routes to avoid IEDs.

All this in an area of operations several tens of times larger than Northern Sinai while also being far more complex to fight in. There is a difference between saying you care and actually caring. There are also consequences for when negligence or incompetence leads to a casualty or fatality. With NATO forces generally being accountable both internally and to the wider public. There are several cases of forces being sued for failures and many that were actually won in court.

So while Western forces strategically blunder on a tactical level they are very competent and have been since the 20th century.

So if you did want a flawed comparison then it would go something like this:

- Within Egyptian Army units on operations there isn't any medical equipment or knowledge. There are no combat medics

- First responders are usually civilian EMTs who can't go in under fire and are targeted by terrorists while evacuating casualties on predictable pre-determined routes. So the military gets their own and civilians killed at times.

- There is no forward aeromedical evacuation. Although Egypt does have a Combat Search and Rescue capability it is somewhat immature and needs more resources, its focus is mainly pilot rescue for the Air Force and Navy.

- The main hospitals used in Northern Sinai are the General and Military hospitals. Both provide no where near the level of care that was present in Bastion although they do thankfully save lives.

- Egyptian soldiers are not competent at patrolling on foot and their reactions to IED whether spotted or gone off is terrible (in one Sinai Province video soldiers spot an IED, three of them proceed to walk towards it and it is then detonated by command), as is their reaction to contact.

- MRAPs are finally being introduced but M113s, Fahds, and other unsuitable vehicles are still more prevelant than they should be. C-IED equipment (ground penetrating radar/mineral detectors) is generally held by Engineer EOD teams, the only protection infantry have is from RC IED on vehicle mounted jammers, they do not have any man packed jammers.

- Egyptian forces have suffered nearly two times the number of combat related fatalities in Northern Sinai as the UK had in the entirety of Afghanistan within 3-4 years in an area of responsibility far smaller and in far better circumstances.

- There is an evident gap between what the military says and what it does. The training, equipment, and support/resources is all testament to that. You can not claim they are the best trained, educated, and looked after when they are tactically inept, lack knowledge on the threats they are facing, and are left to die once injured.

- No matter how large the blunder the military in Egypt is immune to being publicly accountable. They may rarely dismiss someone internally but that is often not enough.

There is an overwhelming and obvious unfairness in the Army as well. I said Officers in London for a reason, conscripts and NCOs don't get that privilege no matter how injured they are.
 
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It's frustrating. I've had zero reasons to get political. I normally focus on the tactical. No amount of claims of best education, well being, and best equipment will change that Egyptian soldiers on the whole and especially in the infantry are incredibly poor riflemen.

Go back a couple of page on this thread and look at the amount of soldiers with poor trigger discipline, flagging their mates with loaded rifles, improperly dressed or using equipment improperly, and generally displaying behaviour that indicates them being poorly trained. Even our SF can't seem to properly use the new sights on the sigs and when they have a 30mm grenade launcher attached they don't have its leaf sight in place, ergo can't use them effectively.

Things are changing and you know when I see something positive I praise it whether it be the introduction of big ticket items or even a backpack. But that does not change the fact that Egyptian basic training is 45 days and essentially 30 rounds being fired.

I fail to see how making this point is political. I also fail to see how pointing out that Egypt's Officer corps dominates the Army is controversial or that its NCO spine is weak. It remains a force that hasn't changed structurally for decades, and that's where change does need to happen and it's exactly where changes are not happening. It is no wonder that fully professional units in the Navy, Air Force, and Air Defence outperform their conscripted peers.

I couldn't give less of a shit about what happened 50 years ago, disagree with how I see things fine. But don't act like I'm saying something that isn't incredibly evident now.

I also reserve the right to insult dullards who think I'm Israeli for disagreeing with what has become an official line.



Come visit London's specialist private hospitals and talk to Officers who were amputated because they were sent on operations with M113s and Fahds. Without any counter IED training or equipment such as ground penetrating radar or counter signal jammers. Or how about those that bleed out regularly because they aren't given medical equipment (toniquets, chest seals, bandages, sellox, morphine etc) and there isn't a combat search and rescue/forward aeromedical evacuation system in place, there's no combat medics, and by the time they're evacuated civilian ambulances they're either dead or die on the way to hospital, which in its self is unprepared for crash trauma of this sort.
The only right you can reserve for yourself is to insult your mother or father who has given you a bad education crowned with ignorance.. like there is no battle medics in the Egyptian army.. where do you pull these "facts" from? any sources? The Egyptian armed forces are taking care of the individual soldiers, be it COs, NCOs or plain soldiers.. IEDs have ravaged the world from Chechnya to Afghanistan, through Iraq, Yemen and Syria.. and the only one to blame for causalities in your not so informed opinion is Egypt..How many officers with lieutenant, Captain, Major Colonel ranks have also died in Sinai ..it has nothing to do with medics or medical facilities, everyone who could be saved was saved through medical Helicopters and then in hospitals..soldiers included..You obviously have no Idea what an IED of up to 500lb of explosives can do to even a Tank, let alone AFV, or what distance it covers when it explodes..

Better not to get personal..I told you, you think and talk like an israeli, because you like to compare the Egyptian armed forces with the US or UK armed forces, while we all know that they are not at the exact level of support mainly..
 
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That's not the point and the comparison is largely flawed.

Yes, Coalition forces suffered from the IED in Afghanistan being the largest mechanism of injury and fatality. But they also had a duty of care towards their soldiers and their well being that was acted upon. This is a case of something being done rather than being said.

The chances of survival upon serious injury rise exponentially if the casualty is treated within the first ten minutes and delivered to a surgery capable trauma center within an hour, or the Golden Hour.

In an attempt to deliver that every rifleman is medically trained for casualty first aid to include gun shot wounds and IED amputation. Every platoon has a professional medical technician (combat medic) who can conduct more complex procedures. To that end a first response is guaranteed and quickly.

That is then followed by a sophisticated medical/casualty evacuation system that is layered to respond to different seriousness in injury, what you have is a mixture of company aid posts, regimental aid posts, and then field hospitals. We're interested in the latter as it is what usually deals with serious IED injuries.

In order to garuntee casualties are delivered to a field hospital (Camp Bastion) forwaed aeromedical evacution was shared by the US Air Force (Pedro Blackhawks which would deploy even if LZ was hot), UK Army Air Corps (Chinooks that could provide a limited amount of surgery escorted by Apaches but would only land if LZ was clear), and the US Army (similar to the Pedros).

Once at Bastion casualties would undergo surgery in the best crash trauma hospital in the world. Also capable of inpatient treatment till casualties can be transported for further treatment on home soil.

Before any of that Coalition forces were given the best chance they could to defeat or avoid IEDs. Every individual soldier taught how to pick out discrepancies while patrolling as part of a 5 to 20m check and to walk in each others footsteps.

They patrolled with the right equipment whether that be MRAPs, Ground penetrating radar and mineral detectors for a point man, signal jammers both on vehicles and man packed, and simple stuff like spray paint or mine tape to lay out safe routes to avoid IEDs.

All this in an area of operations several tens of times larger than Northern Sinai while also being far more complex to fight in. There is a difference between saying you care and actually caring. There are also consequences for when negligence or incompetence leads to a casualty or fatality. With NATO forces generally being accountable both internally and to the wider public. There are several cases of forces being sued for failures and many that were actually won in court.

So while Western forces strategically blunder on a tactical level they are very competent and have been since the 20th century.

So if you did want a flawed comparison then it would go something like this:

- Within Egyptian Army units on operations there isn't any medical equipment or knowledge. There are no combat medics

- First responders are usually civilian EMTs who can't go in under fire and are targeted by terrorists while evacuating casualties on predictable pre-determined routes. So the military gets their own and civilians killed at times.

- There is no forward aeromedical evacuation. Although Egypt does have a Combat Search and Rescue capability it is somewhat immature and needs more resources, its focus is mainly pilot rescue for the Air Force and Navy.

- The main hospitals used in Northern Sinai are the General and Military hospitals. Both provide no where near the level of care that was present in Bastion although they do thankfully save lives.

- Egyptian soldiers are not competent at patrolling on foot and their reactions to IED whether spotted or gone off is terrible (in one Sinai Province video soldiers spot an IED, three of them proceed to walk towards it and it is then detonated by command), as is their reaction to contact.

- MRAPs are finally being introduced but M113s, Fahds, and other unsuitable vehicles are still more prevelant than they should be. C-IED equipment (ground penetrating radar/mineral detectors) is generally held by Engineer EOD teams, the only protection infantry have is from RC IED on vehicle mounted jammers, they do not have any man packed jammers.

- Egyptian forces have suffered nearly two times the number of combat related fatalities in Northern Sinai as the UK had in the entirety of Afghanistan within 3-4 years in an area of responsibility far smaller and in far better circumstances.

- There is an evident gap between what the military says and what it does. The training, equipment, and support/resources is all testament to that. You can not claim they are the best trained, educated, and looked after when they are tactically inept, lack knowledge on the threats they are facing, and are left to die once injured.

- No matter how large the blunder the military in Egypt is immune to being publicly accountable. They may rarely dismiss someone internally but that is often not enough.

There is an overwhelming and obvious unfairness in the Army as well. I said Officers in London for a reason, conscripts and NCOs don't get that privilege no matter how injured they are.



In Ivory Coast ... we had Egyptian soldiers... all they did was smoke shisha and chase pros.

One day there was a huge commotion... they hired hoes and didnt pay and GBd em... The UN comd was a Pak officer (brig).. very embarassing for Egyptians...

That's not the point and the comparison is largely flawed.

Yes, Coalition forces suffered from the IED in Afghanistan being the largest mechanism of injury and fatality. But they also had a duty of care towards their soldiers and their well being that was acted upon. This is a case of something being done rather than being said.

The chances of survival upon serious injury rise exponentially if the casualty is treated within the first ten minutes and delivered to a surgery capable trauma center within an hour, or the Golden Hour.

In an attempt to deliver that every rifleman is medically trained for casualty first aid to include gun shot wounds and IED amputation. Every platoon has a professional medical technician (combat medic) who can conduct more complex procedures. To that end a first response is guaranteed and quickly.

That is then followed by a sophisticated medical/casualty evacuation system that is layered to respond to different seriousness in injury, what you have is a mixture of company aid posts, regimental aid posts, and then field hospitals. We're interested in the latter as it is what usually deals with serious IED injuries.

In order to garuntee casualties are delivered to a field hospital (Camp Bastion) forwaed aeromedical evacution was shared by the US Air Force (Pedro Blackhawks which would deploy even if LZ was hot), UK Army Air Corps (Chinooks that could provide a limited amount of surgery escorted by Apaches but would only land if LZ was clear), and the US Army (similar to the Pedros).

Once at Bastion casualties would undergo surgery in the best crash trauma hospital in the world. Also capable of inpatient treatment till casualties can be transported for further treatment on home soil.

Before any of that Coalition forces were given the best chance they could to defeat or avoid IEDs. Every individual soldier taught how to pick out discrepancies while patrolling as part of a 5 to 20m check and to walk in each others footsteps.

They patrolled with the right equipment whether that be MRAPs, Ground penetrating radar and mineral detectors for a point man, signal jammers both on vehicles and man packed, and simple stuff like spray paint or mine tape to lay out safe routes to avoid IEDs.

All this in an area of operations several tens of times larger than Northern Sinai while also being far more complex to fight in. There is a difference between saying you care and actually caring. There are also consequences for when negligence or incompetence leads to a casualty or fatality. With NATO forces generally being accountable both internally and to the wider public. There are several cases of forces being sued for failures and many that were actually won in court.

So while Western forces strategically blunder on a tactical level they are very competent and have been since the 20th century.

So if you did want a flawed comparison then it would go something like this:

- Within Egyptian Army units on operations there isn't any medical equipment or knowledge. There are no combat medics

- First responders are usually civilian EMTs who can't go in under fire and are targeted by terrorists while evacuating casualties on predictable pre-determined routes. So the military gets their own and civilians killed at times.

- There is no forward aeromedical evacuation. Although Egypt does have a Combat Search and Rescue capability it is somewhat immature and needs more resources, its focus is mainly pilot rescue for the Air Force and Navy.

- The main hospitals used in Northern Sinai are the General and Military hospitals. Both provide no where near the level of care that was present in Bastion although they do thankfully save lives.

- Egyptian soldiers are not competent at patrolling on foot and their reactions to IED whether spotted or gone off is terrible (in one Sinai Province video soldiers spot an IED, three of them proceed to walk towards it and it is then detonated by command), as is their reaction to contact.

- MRAPs are finally being introduced but M113s, Fahds, and other unsuitable vehicles are still more prevelant than they should be. C-IED equipment (ground penetrating radar/mineral detectors) is generally held by Engineer EOD teams, the only protection infantry have is from RC IED on vehicle mounted jammers, they do not have any man packed jammers.

- Egyptian forces have suffered nearly two times the number of combat related fatalities in Northern Sinai as the UK had in the entirety of Afghanistan within 3-4 years in an area of responsibility far smaller and in far better circumstances.

- There is an evident gap between what the military says and what it does. The training, equipment, and support/resources is all testament to that. You can not claim they are the best trained, educated, and looked after when they are tactically inept, lack knowledge on the threats they are facing, and are left to die once injured.

- No matter how large the blunder the military in Egypt is immune to being publicly accountable. They may rarely dismiss someone internally but that is often not enough.

There is an overwhelming and obvious unfairness in the Army as well. I said Officers in London for a reason, conscripts and NCOs don't get that privilege no matter how injured they are.



IED blasts dont hurt troops bro.... rare chance soldiers survive it.... with lost limbs...
U havent seen IED injuries...

Even MRAPs dont offer 100% protection....

We in Pak, have even lost a Maj Gen (*to IED)... who thought fit to travel via road in a combat zone.
 
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like there is no battle medics in the Egyptian army

There aren't. The Egyptian Medical Corps strictly trains emergency medical technicians, nurses, and has started training doctors again. They service Egypt's network of military hospitals, clinics, and during conventional conflicts field hospitals.

The concept of a soldier who is also a medic in an infantry platoon/company never made its way to Egypt or if it did it no longer exists.

where do you pull these "facts" from? any sources?

The organisation of the Egyptian unit. A sub company based arrangement with little in terms of attached personnel.

The Egyptian armed forces are taking care of the individual soldiers, be it COs, NCOs or plain soldiers..

Yes, their duty of care is evident for all to see.

IEDs have ravaged the world from Chechnya to Afghanistan, through Iraq, Yemen and Syria..

it has nothing to do with medics or medical facilities

That assumes that IEDs are the only mechanism of injury. Gun shot wounds, shrapnel, and falls will do it too. There are also non combat related deaths. It was an example of to illustrate a larger point.

The sophistication of medical evacuation and prior/post evacuation treatment has direct correlation to the chances of survival regardless of mechanism of injury. Other wise why would a health service exist in the civilian and military world?

and the only one to blame for causalities in your not so informed opinion is Egypt

The enemy is to blame. However, does that mean we should neglect our own shortcomings? Or do we continue to not address cases of negligence of incompetence when they arise?

Shouldn't every soldier at the very least deserve the chance to be saved by receiving medical care.

ow many officers with lieutenant, Captain, Major Colonel ranks have also died in Sinai

Too many of everyone has died in the Sinai. However that doesn't negate my point. The Egyptian Officer Corps dominates the Armed Forces.

It is the center of knowledge, education, and somewhat competent training that has not been democratized to the rest of the military. It always will be since conscription provides far too much rotation for any sort of organizational experience to build and a purposefully neutered NCO corps doesn't provide what should be the spine of the Armed Forces enough decision making ability. Progress, change, and innovation rarely comes from the top down, it comes
from the middle, Egypt doesn't have one.

everyone who could be saved was saved through medical Helicopters and then in hospitals

There hasn't been one instance of an aeromedical evacuation, prove otherwise if you can and I will yield.

This however is a regular occurrence:

CAIRO (Ma’an) --Two Egyptian army officers and an ambulance driver were killed on Sunday in the city of Sheikh Zuweid in the northern Sinai Peninsula. An Egyptian security source told Ma’an that a roadside bomb hit an infantry unit of the Egyptian army in al-Shadayid neighborhood of Sheikh Zuweid, killing two officers. An ambulance rushing to the area also came under fire. The ambulance driver was injured and later died of his wounds.

https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=770580

ou obviously have no Idea what an IED of up to 500lb of explosives can do to even a Tank, let alone AFV, or what distance it covers when it explodes..

Come off it. Not every IED is an overkill one. Again, there are a lot of mechanism of injury, what do you lose by training people to respond to that? Do they not deserve a chance of being saved even if the injury is likely fatal?

Is that not part of the duty of care and ultimately part of the promise of well being?

Better not to get personal..I told you, you think and talk like an israeli, because you like to compare the Egyptian armed forces with the US or UK armed forces, while we all know that they are not at the exact level of support mainly..

Lord forbid we ever try to get better. A lot of what the UK and US do is simply because of sound training and understanding of soldiering. Small unit tactics, marksmanship, medical first aid, and C-IED procedures don't require that much resources and forces several times smaller and less well resourced than Egypt are bloody good at them.

IED blasts dont hurt troops bro.... rare chance soldiers survive it.... with lost limbs...
U havent seen IED injuries...

They pink mist. Doesn't mean there aren't injuries down the line that aren't fatal. As always combat medics will prioritise.

It was only meant as an example of mechanism. Not every IED injury will be fatal and not every injury will be survivable. Still doesn't mean you don't teach your troops first aid.

Even MRAPs dont offer 100% protection....

Nothing does. It decreases the chances of fatality, which in my book is a plus. Would you rather be in an MRAP or an M113?
 
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They pink mist. Doesn't mean there aren't injuries down the line that aren't fatal. As always combat medics will prioritise.

It was only meant as an example of mechanism. Not every IED injury will be fatal and not every injury will be survivable. Still doesn't mean you don't teach your troops first aid.

Of course... one should always be prepared but just saying ... generally IED injuries are very .... id rather step on an anti personal mine than am IED.... even pieces are hard to find...

Nothing does. It decreases the chances of fatality, which in my book is a plus. Would you rather be in an MRAP or an M113?
Id chose an MRAP.

P.S: Has Egypt invested on MRAPs?
 
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Of course... one should always be prepared but just saying ... generally IED injuries are very .... id rather step on an anti personal mine than am IED.... even pieces are hard to find...

Agree.

P.S: Has Egypt invested on MRAPs?

Through the US Excess Defence Article system, yes. An indigenous MRAP is also undergoing trails right now.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/egypt-to-receive-750-mraps-and-2-c-130j.426903/
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/new-generation-of-egyptian-apcs-mraps.342828/
http://defence-blog.com/army/egyptian-company-develops-new-temsah-armored-personnel-carrier.html

There is improvement in this field but they're somewhat slow to be introduced considering how long they have been available and when they were delivered.
 
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Self criticism is important in any army in order to make it more successful , this is why Egypt was able to fix its past mistakes , we dont want to see Egypt a total failure Just like the Algerian , Sudanese and Syrian armies .

You can see clowns like https://defence.pk/pdf/members/ceylal.143815/ who thinks Algeria is a superpower even though they were defeated in all battles they participated in whether during their so called war of independence , sand war with morroco and finally Algerian civil war where they lost over 30,000 soldiers against few armed civilians .
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:...Your mama! You are a real primate...this is the best of all your postings..
 
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