Egypt likely to get F-15s: CENTCOM chief

[SABRE]

US is coming after dictators so of course they won't give dictators their weapons. After Putin the next target is Erdogan.

Yes, General Sisi is the most democratic of all the leaders in the Middle East.

 

[Ghostkiller]

Yes, General Sisi is the most democratic of all the leaders in the Middle East.

He was democratically elected in 2014. The people wanted him to be president.

 

[Hydration]

He was democratically elected in 2014. The people wanted him to be president.

people forget that the 2013 revloution was started by the people and supported by the military

 

[Destranator]

Can I get a full list of fighters that are currently available for export but NOT being considered by the Egyptian Air Force?

 

[Ghostkiller]

people forget that the 2013 revloution was started by the people and supported by the military

Exactly when millions went to the street to remove the Muslim Brotherhood gang from power. But in 2018 Egyptian presidential election, yes it was fixed with 97% which is impossible to achieve. But in 2014 he was democratically elected

 

[Hydration]

Exactly when millions went to the street to remove the Muslim Brotherhood gang from power. But in 2018 Egyptian presidential election, yes it was fixed with 97% which is impossible to achieve. But in 2014 he was democratically elected

the 2018 election was honestly a joke but either way i dont know who else will be a better president than sisi all we need know is good education and well placed investments from the people

 

[Ghostkiller]

Can I get a full list of fighters that are currently available for export but NOT being considered by the Egyptian Air Force?

You mean officially in our inventory?

If yes then there is :
- 218 F-16 with different varinants (from block 15 to block 52)
- 50 MIG-29M2 with our own specification (no one has it)
- 18 Mirage 2K
- 54 Rafales with all upgraded to F3R, I think not sure about F3R (30 Rafales on orders and it is officially)
- 75 Mirage 5 but we don't usually see them and we gave some of them to Pakistan

Trainers Jets :
- 52 Alpha Jet
- 119 K8
- M-346 (we were contracted with Alenia Aermacchi to have them)

In reserve (we don't use them at all) :
- 74 J-7 (chinese copy of MIG-21)
- MIG-21

the 2018 election was honestly a joke but either way i dont know who else will be a better president than sisi all we need know is good education and well placed investments from the people

True, the 2018 election was a joke. Inshallah the future will shine on Egypt. To have a developed country you must have good education and health.
Let's stop here because the thread is about F-15 and not the internals problems and future of Egypt. Maybe we can do a new thread to talk about it.

 

[Ghostkiller]

Turkey did not follow US directives on geopolitics- Egypt did

That's why Turkey host an american air base in her soil hahahaha. So stop worshiping Turkey and talking nonsense.

 

[ARCH٤R]

Egypt bought S300VM , BUK , T-90 , KA-52 , MIG-29M2 , SU-35 from Russia

and Turkiye bought just S400 from Russia , because USA did not sell PATRIOT to Turkiye

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And Egypt was denied AMRAAMs and F-35s, since 2006 and 2017 respectively while you got as many Vipers, AMRAAMs as you like, got welcomed in the F-35 program and would have had F-35s if you didn’t buy S-400.

Egypt bought S300VM , BUK , T-90 , KA-52 , MIG-29M2 , SU-35 from Russia

and Turkiye bought just S400 from Russia , because USA did not sell PATRIOT to Turkiye

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Yet you have AMRAAMs, and we’re allowed into the F-35 program unlike Egypt. What’s your point? Isn’t that double standards too?

 

[ARCH٤R]

Turkey did not follow US directives on geopolitics- Egypt did

Let me clarify something, both Egypt and Turkey have the Suez and Bosporus respectively and they are used by the US for naval transit and trade.

Turkey got S-400 hence the whole drama vis-a-vis the F-35s and possibly F-16 upgrades. Turkey continues to be a part of NATO and are way more used as grounds for the US military than Egypt.

Egypt does not act per the US interests, not in Libya, not the the GCC/Yemen, not in Syria or Iraq. Furthermore, Egypt has been one of the top three weapon recipients from Russia - hence a main funder of its weapons industries - one of the main factors in any invasion (an invasion that the US certainly does not like).

What’s the US geopolitics that Egypt performs and Turkey does not?

 

[SQ8]

That's why Turkey host an american air base in her soil hahahaha. So stop worshiping Turkey and talking nonsense.

let me shut you out of this thread for talking impolitely and making nonsensical claims about what I do or not. And then when you have manners return to you we can talk

 

[SQ8]

Let me clarify something, both Egypt and Turkey have the Suez and Bosporus respectively and they are used by the US for naval transit and trade.

Turkey got S-400 hence the whole drama vis-a-vis the F-35s and possibly F-16 upgrades. Turkey continues to be a part of NATO and are way more used as grounds for the US military than Egypt.

Egypt does not act per the US interests, not in Libya, not the the GCC/Yemen, not in Syria or Iraq. Furthermore, Egypt has been one of the top three weapon recipients from Russia - hence a main funder of its weapons industries - one of the main factors in any invasion (an invasion that the US certainly does not like).

What’s the US geopolitics that Egypt performs and Turkey does not?

Specifically with regards to the proxy war within Libya and Syria. Are any Egyptians assets working against the common GCC or US supported assets? Furthermore, is Egypt a threat to another NATO member such as Greece or otherwise?
There is no more animosity with Israel and for the most part all of Israel’s arab neighbors except Syria have been neutralized as a threat to them. Egyptian focus is now Africa rather than the middle east.

The S-400 issue is based off electronic emissions and the system and exchanges both ways. There is a reason the S-400 is a bone of contention both in Turkey and India while the Greek S-300 isn’t.

Being a recipient from Russia isn’t the issue otherwise there are other recipients which are being given access to the same hardware. It is a geopolitical alignment that leads to greater access to hardware and a calculus of Balance.

The F-15EX wasn’t “released” a week ago, if CENTCOM is stating that it is a deal that took a while it means there was Egyptian resistance to it which might have been finally smoothed over through references and discussions with other GCC countries as well.

 

[MMM-E]

And Egypt was denied AMRAAMs and F-35s, since 2006 and 2017 respectively while you got as many Vipers, AMRAAMs as you like, got welcomed in the F-35 program and would have had F-35s if you didn’t buy S-400.

What’s the US geopolitics that Egypt performs and Turkey does not?

2013 is turning point ( military coup against president MOURSI and attacks have started against president ERDOGAN )


USA-İsrael used SISI to destroy good relationship between Egypt and Turkiye
USA-France are arming SISI's Egypt against Turkiye since 2013 for American-İsrael-French interests

-- Egypt was ally with Greece-İsrael-France against Turkiye in the Eastern Mediterranean
-- USA-France-İsraeel used Egypt and The UAE against Turkiye in Libya
-- even in Syria
-- Egypt support İsrael against Palestine

USA-İsrael-France supported PKK/YPG and FETO Terror Organizations also Egypt-S.Arabia,The UAE,Greece to attack Turkish national interests and security of Turkiye since 2013

since 2013 USA doesnt sell even pistol to Turkiye
also France blocked military deal between EUROSAM and Turkiye to develop Air Defense System

problem is not S400 , problem is Turkish military action which blocked American-İsraeli-French plans in Syria , Libya and in the Eastern Mediterranean

and USA plays F-16 / F-35 card to ask Turkiye for endless concessions in Syria , in the Eastern Mediterranean , etc

 

[iiowelo]

Turkey did not follow US directives on geopolitics- Egypt did

Turkey was held up as the posterboy for Moderate Islam by all English language popular media from the USA or UK since the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

USA-İsrael used SISI to destroy good relationship between Egypt and Turkiye

Erdogan only wanted a pliant, vassal state in Egypt through Morsi. They were talking about buying Turkish weapons, meaning if he were not toppled, Egypt would have been just another client state enriching Turkish government coffers.

The Israelis and Americans put an end to this through their regional proxies like the Al Saud and Al Zayed dynasties.

If Erdogan had treated Egyptians or other Arabs as equals of Turks and wanted to co develop weapons, form a singular, united armed forces under the command of a rotational, democratically elected chief of staff elected by the members of armed forces of the union state, things would have looked different.

Right now, Erdogan has no locus standi in trying to paint Israelis or Americans as evil when you are formal allies of Americans. You can leave the alliance if you don't like Americans, I don't see any issue with that.

 

[MMM-E]

Turkey was held up as the posterboy for Moderate Islam by all English language popular media from the USA or UK since the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

in 2003 Turkiye did not allow USA to attack on İraq from Turkish soil

and Gulf States ( S.Arabia,Kuwait,The UAE ) asked and financed invasion of İraq by The UK and USA

Erdogan only wanted a pliant, vassal state in Egypt through Morsi. They were talking about buying Turkish weapons, meaning if he were not toppled, Egypt would have been just another client state enriching Turkish government coffers.

Turkiye offered Egypt to develop national defense Industry to become real military power
Turkiye has everything its own and Egypt is full off dependent on USA-Europe-Russia ( Egypt can not produce even BVR air to air missile and Cruise Missile )

but USA-France sold only useless platforms to Egypt as vassal state in Egypt through SISI and others since 1980s

F-16 Fighter Jet without BVR and land attack Cruise Missile
Rafale Fighter Jet without BVR and land attack Cruise Missile
FREMM Frigate without ASTER-30 SAM and EW System ( only 16 x ASTER-15 SAMs )
etc
etc

Right now, Erdogan has no locus standi in trying to paint Israelis or Americans as evil when you are formal allies of Americans. You can leave the alliance if you don't like Americans, I don't see any issue with that.

Turkiye joined to NATO against Soviet threat in 1952
and NATO is not only USA , but 30 countries

btw USA never will allow Turkish politicans to leave NATO
( USA always did military coups in Turkiye by 1960,1971,1980,1997 and failed coup attempt against president ERDOGAN in 2016 )

if any Turkish politician against American-İsraeli interests , then military coup to find a puppet which work for American-İsraeli interests