Egypt has placed order for Su-35s

[MMM-E]

BTW are you still occupying lands from your Muslim neighbors (Syria and Iraq)...?!

4+ million Syrians and Iraqis occupied Turkey

btw Turkey has right to fight terrorism in Syria and Iraq ( article 51 of UN self defence )
Turkish Army cleaned Jarablus,Dabıq,Rai,Azez,Al Bab and Afrin from PKK/YPG and ISIS terrorists and over 300.000 Syrians returned to their lands ....... Syrians are with Turkey

on the other hand the US backed PKK/YPG terrorists occupied 30% of Syria to destroy Syria's territorial integrity

Or you still supplying terrorists in Libya with weapons....!?

You are the real terrorists who support illegal generals to make military coup against legal governments in Egypt and Libya

who gave right to generals to make military coup against legal governments in Egypt and Libya ? of cours the US , the UK ..... only christian copts like you can hate muslim leaders who are not puppet to the US,the UK and Israel

and I remind you that We Turks kicked the US backed FETO terrorist organization who tried military coup attempt in Turkey for American-British-Israeli interests


if we are talking about history then there are Turkish traces in Anatolia and Europe more than 5.000 years ago
Balbals ( Tombstone of the heroes who died in the Turks ) have proved it


btw only ignorant boys can say this ,,, Israel always used traitor Arabs to occupy Palestine under the mask of fighting Egypt,Syria,Iraq,Jordon

Egyptian Army always was controlled by the US backed traitors as like Iraqi Army was controlled by the US backed traitor KESNIZANI , and Turkish Army was controlled by the US backed traitor FETO

Israel beat Arabs in a few days and Israel has invaded the Palestinian territories and is still occupying this land half a century later. Israel also annexed East Jerusalem and the Golan hills

Israeli Airforce destroyed Egyptian Airforce in a few hours ,, even Egyptian Fighter Jets could not take off because of the US backed traitors in Egyptian Armed Forces



Israel and the US still control Egyptian Army , but We Turks kicked the US backed FETO terrorist organization who tried military coup attempt in Turkey for American-British-Israeli interests

and today Turkey is independent and develops over 600 military projects


btw Egyptian Army can not harm even 1.000 ISIS terrorists in Sinai ( and never forget that the US transfered ISIS terrorists to Sinai from Raqqa/Syria )

 

[Signalian]

And Mig 35 too

Pak should atleast learn something multirole jet need combination of air superiority to perform better

PAF uses the squadron doctrine to define the role of the aircraft PAF's Air Superiority Squadrons operate F-7 P/PG aircrafts. No.2 and No.14 Squadrons were Air Superiority Squadrons, when JF-17 replaced F-7 P, the squadrons became Multi Role. Mirages III are used as Air Defense or Escort Fighters for Mirage V strike aircrafts in Squadrons operating both Mirage III and V jointly.

He did a while ago. Just check the forum replies from a page or two ago. I messed up the quote though my bad.

You could have come up with a post of SU-35's providing escort to Rafale for a strike mission or a joint mission involving Mig-35 and SU-35 or more interestingly how SU-35's and F-16's can perform a combined mission. You could have mentioned data links and Use of AWAC's.

 

[Amun]

4+ million Syrians and Iraqis occupied Turkey

btw Turkey has right to fight terrorism in Syria and Iraq ( article 51 of UN self defence )
Turkish Army cleaned Jarablus,Dabıq,Rai,Azez,Al Bab and Afrin from PKK/YPG and ISIS terrorists and over 300.000 Syrians returned to their lands ....... Syrians are with Turkey

on the other hand the US backed PKK/YPG terrorists occupied 30% of Syria to destroy Syria's territorial integrity





You are the real terrorists who support illegal generals to make military coup against legal governments in Egypt and Libya

who gave right to generals to make military coup against legal governments in Egypt and Libya ? of cours the US , the UK ..... only christian copts like you can hate muslim leaders who are not puppet to the US,the UK and Israel

and I remind you that We Turks kicked the US backed FETO terrorist organization who tried military coup attempt in Turkey for American-British-Israeli interests


if we are talking about history then there are Turkish traces in Anatolia and Europe more than 5.000 years ago
Balbals ( Tombstone of the heroes who died in the Turks ) have proved it


btw only ignorant boys can say this ,,, Israel always used traitor Arabs to occupy Palestine under the mask of fighting Egypt,Syria,Iraq,Jordon

Egyptian Army always was controlled by the US backed traitors as like Iraqi Army was controlled by the US backed traitor KESNIZANI , and Turkish Army was controlled by the US backed traitor FETO

Israel beat Arabs in a few days and Israel has invaded the Palestinian territories and is still occupying this land half a century later. Israel also annexed East Jerusalem and the Golan hills

Israeli Airforce destroyed Egyptian Airforce in a few hours ,, even Egyptian Fighter Jets could not take off because of the US backed traitors in Egyptian Armed Forces



Israel and the US still control Egyptian Army , but We Turks kicked the US backed FETO terrorist organization who tried military coup attempt in Turkey for American-British-Israeli interests

and today Turkey is independent and develops over 600 military projects


btw Egyptian Army can not harm even 1.000 ISIS terrorists in Sinai ( and never forget that the US transfered ISIS terrorists to Sinai from Raqqa/Syria )

Pathetic.....just like your Dictator.
BTW .... I understand that you cannot even say a word against Erdo.....you will be arrested immediately I know.
Be happy that you are still using the web

 

[The SC]

Hold on...Didn't Egypt have the best weapons/equipment back in 50's, 60's and 70's and still lost at a number of occasions? Now ofcourse there could be a AK Vs Merkava thread or JF-17 Vs F-16I Sufa thread, but maybe its not the weapons which are the only factor amounting to winning a war.

That is far from the truth; in the 1956 it was a direct war with French, English and Usrael armies, where Egypt had only old weapons from WW1.. In 1967 Egypt had a resemblance of an army not well structured yet and not much training, also with old tech from Russia.. but with the same Russian tech one generation older than the Western tech used by Usrael..Egypt managed to defeat the latter in 1973.. and that is due to good training and outstanding organisation.. mind you that the US was fighting alongside Usrael supplying it from its own weapon stores both in the US and in Europe. And Egypt still managed to hold its own and get back the Sinai Peninsula, which was the main objective of the war.. So coming back to your conclusion.. Egypt has proved it in the Ramadan war by defeating the most advanced US gear with The Mig-21.. but here you should note that the Jf-17 might or might not be able to face the Usraeli F-16 Sofa.. let alone the F-15s and the F-35.. so it is not the time to test.. first Egypt has to be closer/(in par) in raw power with its potential adversaries then it can test what ever it wants..

 

[Signalian]

That is far from the truth, in the 1956 it was a direct war with French, English and Usrael armies, where Egypt had only old weapons from WW1.. In 1967 Egypt had a resemblance of an army not well structured yet and not much training, also with old tech from Russia.. but with the same Russian tech one generation older than the Western tech used by Usrael..Egypt managed to defeat the latter in 1973.. and that is due to a god training and outstanding organisation.. mind you that the US was fighting alongside Usrael supplying it from its own weapon stores both in the US and in Europe. And Egypt still managed to hold its own and get back the Sinai Peninsula, which was the main objective of the war.. So coming back to your conclusion.. Egypt has proved it in the Ramadan war by defeating the most advanced US gear with The Mig-21.. but here you should note that the Jf-17 might or might not be able to face the Usraeli F-16 Sofa.. let alone the F-15s and the F-35.. so it is not the time to test.. first Egypt has to be closer/(in par) in raw power with its potential adversaries then it can test what ever it wants..

With this trend you are going to say the same if a war occurs between Egypt and Israel that IAF had 5th Gen F-35 and EAF had 4.5 Gen so Egypt lagged behind.

 

[The SC]

Not what I also met, i was talking abt transfer of technology and joint ventures with countries.

Yes there have been many TOT in Egypt.. there is also the potential of making the JF-17 Blk 3 in Egypt.. but first things first..

With this trend you are going to say the same if a war occurs between Egypt and Israel that IAF had 5th Gen F-35 and EAF had 4.5 Gen so Egypt lagged behind.

The gap has been narrowed now.. and when that occurred Usrael has all its warplanes, tanks and what have you, a one generation ahead of Egypt.. and all that was fought by mainly the Mig-21 and T-54 and a few T-62.. it is a credit to the Egyptian soldiers and no one or anything else // I'll ask you then to find what the prophet of Islam said about Egypt and its people and soldiers..you might get a clue..

 

[Signalian]

The gap has been narrowed now.. and when that occurred Usrael has all its warplanes, tanks and what have you, a one generation ahead of Egypt.. and all that was fought by mainly the Mig-21 and T-54 and a few T-62.. it is a credit to the Egyptian soldiers and no one or anything else // I'll ask you then to find what the prophet of Islam said about Egypt and its people and soldiers..you might get a clue..

The point you showed in post 106 is "old" weapons in all Egyptian wars with different countries and concluded that Egypt had inferior weapons to Israel but won the 1973 war.

You were replying to my post whose last line stated,
"but maybe its not the weapons which are the only factor amounting to winning a war".
I didn't say weapons win wars. Now you are saying that Egyptian soldiers are due for credit.

Make up your mind about the point you are trying to express, are you arguing or replying for the sake of arguing or replying ? or whats the purpose ? as you are not making any sense by repeating what i said already.

As for JF-17 Vs F-16I, I can argue especially through Block III but thats going to divert the thread and my point is not marketing JF-17 to EAF.

 

[The SC]

The point you showed in post 106 is "old" weapons in all Egyptian wars with different countries and concluded that Egypt had inferior weapons to Israel but won the 1973 war.

You were replying to my post whose last line stated,
"but maybe its not the weapons which are the only factor amounting to winning a war".
I didn't say weapons win wars. Now you are saying that Egyptian soldiers are due for credit.

Make up your mind about the point you are trying to express, are you arguing or replying for the sake of arguing or replying ? or whats the purpose ? as you are not making any sense by repeating what i said already.

As for JF-17 Vs F-16I, I can argue especially through Block III but thats going to divert the thread and my point is not marketing JF-17 to EAF.

Have you missed this part on purpose or what?
"So coming back to your conclusion.. Egypt has proved it in the Ramadan war by defeating the most advanced US gear with The Mig-21"
You know what was proven?
Your quote:
"but maybe its not the weapons which are the only factor amounting to winning a war".
So don't play confused again..

That might be a good thread.. JF-17 III vs Usrael F-16 Sofa..

 

[Signalian]

Have you missed this part on purpose or what?
"So coming back to your conclusion.. Egypt has proved it in the Ramadan war by defeating the most advanced US gear with The Mig-21"

That might be a good thread.. JF-17 III vs Usrael F-16 Sofa..

No... i did write about JF-17 Block III without exaggerating it's capabilities, so the Ramadan feat can be achieved again.

 

[The SC]

No... i did write about JF-17 Block III without exaggerating it's capabilities, so the Ramadan feat can be achieved again.

Context and circumstances are different now.. but I agree that the JF-17 III will be a potent fighter, mostly in the hands of well trained pilots.. still the odds are big against the F-35 stealth.. might challenge the F-16 and even the F-15 somehow although they are 4th G+ and ++, hence the need for 4th G++ like the SU-35 and the Rafale.. at least to close the gap with the 5th G..

 

[Sinnerman108]

Pathetic.....just like your Dictator.
BTW .... I understand that you cannot even say a word against Erdo.....you will be arrested immediately I know.
Be happy that you are still using the web

Well, how are things any different in Egypt if not worst ?

I heard some egyptians claiming that SiSi is doing these purchases to make relations with Putin.
What Egypt is really looking to do, is not be pegged to USA only, rather be between a multi polar balanced planet.

That is when Egypt can really move forward. Walk your own way.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

A good move!! Now, fill it up with EW etc. systems!!! And, the PAF should go for a tough exercise with it to fine tune the tactics...

 

[Keysersoze]

Have you noticed that operating different kinds of weapon systems having almost similar capabilities is the new trend in Arab countries ?

F-15, EFT, Rafale - Qatar Air Force
F-18 E/F, EFT- Kuwaiti AF
F-15 S/SA, EFT - RSAF

Its not just Western and eastern equipment, there is a variety in western equipment by itself also.

It's almost like they are trying to buy influence lol.
That or they think they need to diversify.

 

[Mentee]

it's Pakistani foreign office, who's is playing it all wrong.
Our FO must learn, interfering in internal affairs of middle eastern states is a diplomatic suicide, i doubt they do it deliberately for sake of Iran.

What does foreign office has to say about the Egyptian su's

 

[MMM-E]

Pathetic.....just like your Dictator.
BTW .... I understand that you cannot even say a word against Erdo.....you will be arrested immediately I know.
Be happy that you are still using the web

Dont compare your puppet criminal murdered dictator SISI with democratic leaders such as ERDOGAN who rules Turkey since 2003 , MERKEL who rules Germany since 2004 , PUTIN who rules Russia since 2000s

We Turks are not pathetic Egyptians to allow traitor Generals to make military coup against legal governmet for American-British-Israeli interests

the US,the UK and Israel control puppet Egyptian Army and pupet dictator SISI



btw Internet users in Turkey have risen to 54 million from 3,8 million between 2003 and 2018 led by ERDOGAN

and even the US,the UK,Germany are blocking some websites to fight terrorism ,
and only loser terrorist PKK , DHKPC and FETO terrorist organizations are crying about it in Turkey