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Let me repeat myself. I saw similar comments from some members during the Turkey protests. Turkey will not stop being a Muslim country just because many protested against Erdogan. He does not have monopoly on Islam nor has Mursi. The thing is that when so many people like in Egypt turn up and the military take action then something is horribly wrong. Let the Egyptians improve their constitution, let them find a political consensus from all the various political groups and let them deal with their own political games.

Do you think that Egypt just chased to be an majority Muslim country overnight? Mursi and others will come and go but the people and Egypt will remain.

Stop thinking about a Ummah when Pakistan, KSA and other countries have their own issues to solve before we can think in a greater and wider picture. At least as governments. As individuals and fellow Muslims we should consider each others as brothers regardless of origins.

Can you follow me?

Not sure what this has to do with Iran. Nothing in reality. Egypt is an Arab country, majority Sunni Muslim and Iran has no influence in Egypt nor are they even a neighbor. Greece and Cyprus or even Turkey are located much closer. I struggle to see what KSA has to do with Egypt as well in this context other than being a fellow Arab, Sunni Muslim and neighboring country just across the Red Sea. In terms of the current protests - nothing really. Internal Egyptian issue.

I can't care less about Islamic credentials of MB, thing is they have a vote bank which went out and elected them to power. Similarly in Turkey that party has a vote bank which won't disappear once military forces them out.

What will happen now? Will army allow MB to compete in elections? What will happen if they win again? Similarly what will stop MB to invite Army in once a different party comes to power or creating another Tehrir square? If Army uses force to stop them then boom! you'll have a very nasty thing breeding right inside Egypt (it may still happen).

MB and that party in Turkey won't be elected again if people are not satisfied with their performance. The shenanigans from other parties are are usually because they are sure that they can't compete fairly. This thing will only create a mess.

And please for what reason is Saudi King congratulating Egyptians? It would make sense if a new political govt is elected but why right now when two segments of Egyptian society are in arms. Does he want to rub in the fact how much say he has in Egypt?

(I was pointing out Iran and Saudia as both seem very happy at the military takeover).
 
Because he is a stone-age islamotard.


When Morsi first came to power I would admit I had better expectations from him as he is a well educated man and I thought he would try to better the economy but alas things did not go to plan as many of us thought. Also he tried to put a lot of religious based things in the constitution which went down well with the Brotherhood but not sure it was what the Military liked particularly not to mention the liberals and Christians etc.
 
YES....and the longest serving dictator lasted 7(compare to other dictators) years before WE the PEOPLE forced him out of power.The coups happened in the first 20 years of our creation from a bloody war and genocide.

no there was a recent coup before this govt by gen moeen-u-ahmed
 
To the Grandson of Hitler - who was found to have distant African and Jewish origins:

Hitler 'had Jewish and African roots', DNA tests show - Telegraph

You Persians original homeland is in Central Asia/the Kazakh Steppe where you left NO civilization. You only got civilized once you encountered us Semitic people in current day Iraq whom you copied in all aspects. Architecture, governmental rule etc. After being ruled by them for 300 years and dominated. Even your so-called "Cyrus the Great" adopted a Semitic language - Aramaic closely related to Arabic as the official language of Persia.

Oh, don't have hallucinations. The Arab influence of Iran is strong. Persian on the other hand in the Arab world is non-existent. You left nothing. Not even a single city or anything. Only influence is in Southern Iraq a tiny part of the Arab world.

On the other hand Persian language is full of Arabic words. Your whole alphabet (alphabets are a Semitic thing you Iranians never had any alphabets) is based on the Arabic alphabet, your religion and thus large parts of your culture etc.

That is just the reality. The Safavids were not Persians. Nor the Qajar's nor the Pahlavis. The current day fake Wannabe-Arab rulers claim ARAB ancestry and call themselves proudly Sayyid's LOL (fake claims). Also going to deny that? Your so-called heretical and satanic Grand Ayatollah is a Azeri too.

In the last 1400 years you have been conquered by Arabs, Turks, Mongols and others time and time again. Even Pashtuns conquered you and destroyed the Safavids.
 
Two people crying like little babies, they lost Morsi!

Ed Husain

Senior Fellow for Middle Eastern Studies, Council on Foreign Relations (CFR); author, The Islamist (Penguin).

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For Obama, tricky diplomatic geometry in democratic Egypt



With Egypt and its democratic experiment at a tipping point, U.S. President Barack Obama finds himself trying to nudge the most populous Arab country's bitterly divided antagonists toward compromise but finds his influence limited.

Where Obama and his predecessors once dealt with a single all-powerful figure - ousted strongman President Hosni Mubarak - the White House is now gingerly trying to persuade unpopular, but democratically elected, President Mohamed Mursi and Egypt's military to strike a political deal, all without alienating millions of Egyptians protesting in the streets.

Egypt's size and leading position in the Arab world mean its political course will be felt throughout the region, where the United States is already struggling to stem Islamist militants and sectarian strife.

But Obama has not forged close ties to Mursi, and has been criticized for what is widely seen as his standoffish approach to Egypt's attempts to solidify its democracy.

Now that Egypt looks to be on the brink of chaos, an immediate challenge for Washington is how to sway the country's armed forces, which have given Mursi until Wednesday to agree on power-sharing with other political forces, warning it would set out its own roadmap for the country's future if he did not.

A military coup against Mursi and his crumbling government would seriously undermine Obama's promotion of democracy in the Middle East and could lead to a cutoff in U.S. military aid to Egypt.

The United States relied heavily on its ties with Egypt's top military officers, forged through decades of joint training, military schooling in the United States and U.S. military aid, to guide the country to free elections when protesters poured into Cairo's Tahrir Square in early 2011 demanding Mubarak's ouster.

The armed forces eventually sided with the protesters, hastening Mubarak's downfall. The difference this time is that Mursi was democratically elected in a process backed by Washington.

U.S. influence with the Egyptian military is greatest on regional security matters, such as Egypt's peace treaty with Israel.

Underlying the importance for Washington of keeping ties to Egypt's military, Secretary of State John Kerry in May quietly approved $1.3 billion in military assistance, despite the country's failure to meet democracy standards set by the U.S. Congress.

To do so, Kerry waived a U.S. legal requirement that he certify the Egyptian government "is supporting the transition to civilian government, including holding free and fair elections, implementing policies to protect freedom of expression, association and religion, and due process of law."

"Nobody should be under the illusion that simply because we give $1.3 billion of weapons and training support to the Egyptian military that we can control them in any way when it comes to internal politics and the internal security situation," said Brian Katulis at the Center for American Progress, a Washington-based think tank.

Army General Martin Dempsey, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, spoke by telephone this week with Egypt's army chief of staff, Lieutenant General Sedki Sobhi, a U.S. defense official said.

Details of that conversation were not released, and it is unclear whether Dempsey or other top U.S. officials have explicitly warned the Egyptian military against mounting a coup.

Obama, Kerry and other U.S. leaders have not publicly criticized the army's ultimatum.

Michele Dunne, a former State Department official who served in Egypt and Israel and is now at the Atlantic Council think tank, said the key question is whether the military sweeps Mursi and his government aside entirely and steps in to rule, or stops short of that - perhaps by appointing a civilian figurehead.

The U.S.-Egypt military relationship was tested when the army assumed power after Mubarak's fall, and "if the military takes control, it's going to be tested again," she said.

OBAMA: LISTEN TO DEMONSTRATORS

The Obama White House has not been enamored with Mursi, a leader of the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood whom it sees as having failed to form an inclusive, effective government. Obama has not hosted Mursi at the White House, and officials canceled a visit by the Egyptian leader last year after a video from 2010 surfaced in which Morsi described Israelis as "descendants of apes and pigs."

Obama, wrapping up an Africa tour, called Mursi on Tuesday, according to the White House. "Democracy is about ... ensuring that the voices of all Egyptians are heard and represented by their government, including the many Egyptians demonstrating throughout the country," a White House statement said. Obama told Mursi that "the current crisis can only be resolved through a political process."

But amid reports of violence, Mursi showed little sign of compromise, calling on the military to withdraw its ultimatum and saying he would not be dictated to.

For Washington, communicating with the Mursi government is becoming more problematic.

State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki announced Tuesday that Kerry had called Egyptian Foreign Minister Mohamed Kamel Amr, only to be reminded by reporters that Amr had reportedly tendered his resignation - one of a half-dozen or so senior Mursi aides to resign in recent days.

It was unclear whether Amr was still in his position when Kerry spoke with him, giving a sense in Washington that the Mursi government is unraveling.

DOUBT ABOUT U.S. DEMOCRATIC COMMITMENT

As with the civil war in Syria, Obama has been criticized for what many analysts say is a largely hands-off approach toward post-Mubarak Egypt.

Obama administration officials counter that Washington has limited influence on Arab societies struggling to remake themselves, and too overt a U.S. intervention would backfire.

In the latest crisis, the United States, seen for decades in the Arab world as a supporter of pro-Western autocrats, has insisted it is not playing favorites.

That has not stopped some among the millions of protesters on Egypt's city streets from criticizing what they see as Washington's backing for Mursi. Photos insulting U.S. Ambassador to Egypt Anne Patterson have appeared in the crowds.

Obama told Mursi in their phone conversation "that the United States is committed to the democratic process in Egypt and does not support any single party or group," the White House said.

Dunne said popular resentment at the United States can be blamed in part on policies toward Egypt and other fragile Arab democracies that she labeled "unimaginative at best."

"We could have done so much more to encourage the transition in Egypt," she said. "We really have stayed out, stayed on the sidelines, waiting to see what happened."


For Obama, tricky diplomatic geometry in democratic Egypt | Reuters
Washington backing for Morsi? Are you people sun-stroked? We do NOT like Islamist (ask your Mullahs about this). If I remember correctly Osama bin Feedingfishies number two guy was in the Muslim Brotherhood. We merely took a hands-off approach. I am sure everyone here is happy to see him go.

To the Grandson of Hitler - who was found to have distant African and Jewish origins:

Hitler 'had Jewish and African roots', DNA tests show - Telegraph

You Persians original homeland is in Central Asia/the Kazakh Steppe where you left NO civilization. You only got civilized once you encountered us Semitic people in current day Iraq whom you copied in all aspects. Architecture, governmental rule etc. After being ruled by them for 300 years and dominated. Even your so-called "Cyrus the Great" adopted a Semitic language - Aramaic closely related to Arabic as the official language of Persia.

Oh, don't have hallucinations. The Arab influence of Iran is strong. Persian on the other hand in the Arab world is non-existent. You left nothing. Not even a single city or anything. Only influence is in Southern Iraq a tiny part of the Arab world.

On the other hand Persian language is full of Arabic words. Your whole alphabet (alphabets are a Semitic thing you Iranians never had any alphabets) is based on the Arabic alphabet, your religion and thus large parts of your culture etc.

That is just the reality. The Safavids were not Persians. Nor the Qajar's nor the Pahlavis. The current day fake Wannabe-Arab rulers claim ARAB ancestry and call themselves proudly Sayyid's LOL (fake claims). Also going to deny that? Your so-called heretical and satanic Grand Ayatollah is a Azeri too.

In the last 1400 years you have been conquered by Arabs, Turks, Mongols and others time and time again. Even Pashtuns conquered you and destroyed the Safavids.
You left out Macedonians, but hey....
 
Washington backing for Morsi? Are you people sun-stroked? We do NOT like Islamist (ask your Mullahs about this). If I remember correctly Osama bin Feedingfishies number two guy was in the Muslim Brotherhood. We merely took a hands-off approach. I am sure everyone here is happy to see him go.

Muslim Brotherhood has been very friendly to US interests in Egypt. Washington has been backing MB in Egypt and in Syria, they are backing political Islam.
 
I can't care less about Islamic credentials of MB, thing is they have a vote bank which went out and elected them to power. Similarly in Turkey that party has a vote bank which won't disappear once military forces them out.

What will happen now? Will army allow MB to compete in elections? What will happen if they win again? Similarly what will stop MB to invite Army in once a different party comes to power or creating another Tehrir square? If Army uses force to stop them then boom! you'll have a very nasty thing breeding right inside Egypt (it may still happen).

MB and that party in Turkey won't be elected again if people are not satisfied with their performance. The shenanigans from other parties are are usually because they are sure that they can't compete fairly. This thing will only create a mess.

And please for what reason is Saudi King congratulating Egyptians? It would make sense if a new political govt is elected but why right now when two segments of Egyptian society are in arms. Does he want to rub in the fact how much say he has in Egypt?

(I was pointing out Iran and Saudia as both seem very happy at the military takeover).

I respect your opinion and let us agree to disagree. You would have to ask those questions to the Egyptian members here but they don't seem very interested in answering questions right now. Probably because they have better things to do when their country is in the middle of making history.

Because we and he included does not care about political parties in Egypt but most importantly for the Egyptian people and for the security of Egypt since it is a fellow Arab, Sunni Muslim country and moreover a neighbor just across the Red Sea. We need stability in Egypt to have a secure and prospering region.

Oh, don't use the views of 4-5 users and conclude that people from nations that have millions of people share the exact same opinions.
 
Deposed Egyptian President Mohamed Morsy is held under "house arrest," a Muslim Brotherhood spokesman tweets.
 
Muslim Brotherhood has been very friendly to US interests in Egypt. Washington has been backing MB in Egypt and in Syria, they are backing political Islam.

Suuure....we Americans love us some Islamist.....that's why the "great satan" and Iran are such good buddies. When Osama's number two from Egypt ok'ed crashing those planes into New York it was because they were filled with thank-you notes from the Muslim Brotherhood. You people never can get your lies straight. If we are ordered around by Israel....does Israel like the Muslim Brotherhood? Try to keep the delusions straight.
 
Suuure....we Americans love us some Islamist.....that's why the "great satan" and Iran are such good buddies.

Obama's policies in the Middle East is to support political Islam.

America is largely against the Mullahs in Tehran because
1) nuclear issue
2) iran will not sign a peace treaty with Israel
3) iran is a threat to US interest in Middle east.

Muslim Brotherhood wasn't going after nuclear weapons , kept the peace treaty with Israel, and was very friendly to US interest.
 
Muslim Brotherhood official: Deposed Egypt President Morsy arrested by presidential guards at guards' headquarters.
 
And if you think for one minute that the Egyptian Army didn't run this plan by the US you are deluded. And ps....I am American....so I have an Idea of who we like. You Iranians love Israel....your Mullahs do everything they can to support them.
 
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