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EDEX 2018: Egypt eyes JF-17 Thunder Block-III

If Egypt gets a hold of the PL-15s for JF-17s, China should put a BeiDou tracking chip in them to make sure they stay in Egypt. Sisi is a former CiA asset. I am sure the CiA/Washington would pay Sisi many millions of dollars for a PL-15 shipped/flown to the US.

Too many Russian weapons end up in the US, without Russian approval. China is supposedly the new cold war. I would oppose China selling PL-15s to Egypt. Sisi was essentially installed by the CiA/Washington.

Are you sure of what you are saying or just ignorant of the facts?
Imran Khan claims Pakistani intelligence led CIA to bin Laden

https://www.france24.com/en/20190723-imran-khan-bin-laden-pakistani-usa-cia-intelligence


Man.. Russia proposed the sale of the S-400 system to the US.._you can google it_..they are so sure of their systems integrity that they have done that..And in fact what can the US do with antique Russian systems..that is not logical..
 
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If Morsi stayed in power the Copts would have revolted eventually and Egypt would be in situation 5 times worse than Syria. If you don't know something, don't speak.
This is a discussion forum.

I am really tired of trolls rudely telling other posters what they can or cannot speak on.

Ciao

With respect to the actual comment - hypothetical what-ifs of X revolting are not justification for a dictator overthrowing an elected government and murdering the leadership of the winning political party in prison.

Sissy is a unelected tyrant who overthrew an elected government and, by some accounts, murdered the political leadership in custody, and no amount of dissembling and excuses change that reality.
 
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This is a discussion forum.

I am really tired of trolls rudely telling other posters what they can or cannot speak on.

Ciao

With respect to the actual comment - hypothetical what-ifs of X revolting are not justification for a dictator overthrowing an elected government and murdering the leadership of the winning political party in prison.

Sissy is a unelected tyrant who overthrew an elected government and, by some accounts, murdered the political leadership in custody, and no amount of dissembling and excuses change that reality.
Why Did Ousted Egyptian President Morsi Lose Power?

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When the 2011 revolution broke out, Brotherhood leaders did not initially take a position. They later encouraged their members to participate without invoking the Brotherhood’s Islamist slogans or ideology. But with Mubarak’s ouster and the beginning of a political transition, they sided with the military against secular and leftist protesters in favor of holding parliamentary elections before drafting a new constitution. Employing the strongest mass organization of any party, they succeeded in taking a large plurality of seats in the new legislature and finally, after a two rounds and a legal battle, the presidency in 2012.

Yet while formally assuming these offices of power, Morsi and the Brotherhood still shared effective power with the military and other bodies. Paranoid and with little governing experience, they embarked on a campaign to eliminate their opposition as quickly as possible. But they only succeeded in alienating any potential allies and the public at large.

Morsi soon revoked an interim constitutional declaration that defined his relationship to the military leadership and forced through a new constitution with little cooperation from other revolutionary parties in December 2012. Although it made no direct move on military or police authority, the Brotherhood sought to impose its will on the judiciary, prosecutor’s office, and cultural and social ministries, sparking outrage in many different areas of Egyptian society. Morsi even decided to cull the older generation of generals in the military leadership, actually placing al-Sisi as chairman. The Brotherhood’s own actions effectively squandered the public legitimacy that was its only support.

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https://daily.jstor.org/why-did-ousted-egyptian-president-morsi-lose-power/
 
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Although it made no direct move on military or police authority, the Brotherhood sought to impose its will on the judiciary, prosecutor’s office, and cultural and social ministries, sparking outrage in many different areas of Egyptian society. Morsi even decided to cull the older generation of generals in the military leadership, actually placing al-Sisi as chairman. The Brotherhood’s own actions effectively squandered the public legitimacy that was its only support.
If those actions had in fact 'squandered public legitimacy', the solution to that lost legitimacy was to engage in peaceful protests for new elections or wait for new elections.

Government decisions can also be challenged in the courts.

A proper democratic process takes time, patience and continuity to develop, and Pakistan, while a far more complex case given it's ethno-linguistic diversity and geo-political challenges, is an excellent example of that.

None of the actions detailed in the article you quoted justify a dictator overthrowing a government and murdering political opponents in prison.
 
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If those actions had in fact 'squandered public legitimacy', the solution to that lost legitimacy was to engage in peaceful protests for new elections or wait for new elections.

Government decisions can also be challenged in the courts.

A proper democratic process takes time, patience and continuity to develop, and Pakistan, while a far more complex case given it's ethno-linguistic diversity and geo-political challenges, is an excellent example of that.

None of the actions detailed in the article you quoted justify a dictator overthrowing a government and murdering political opponents in prison.
Protesters across Egypt call for Mohamed Morsi to go

Millions of demonstrators line streets to demand president's removal on first anniversary of his inauguration

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Egyptians protest against President Mohamed Morsi in Cairo. Photograph: EPA

Millions of Egyptians filled streets across Egypt on Sunday calling for the departure of Mohamed Morsi on Sunday, hours after the president told the Guardian he would not resign.

A year to the day after Morsi's inauguration as Egypt's first democratically elected president, up to 500,000 protesters swelled Cairo's Tahrir Square calling for Morsi's removal. They then headed to Itahadiya, the presidential palace in the north-east of the city in the evening.

Security sources said that at least seven people were killed and more than 600 wounded in clashes between Morsi's supporters and opponents.

Five of the dead were shot in towns south of Cairo, one each in Beni Suef and Fayoum and three in Assiut.

Two more were killed by gunfire during an attack on the national headquarters of Mursi's Muslim Brotherhood in a suburb of the capital, medical sources said.

Hundreds of people throwing petrol bombs and rocks attacked the building, which caught fire as guards and Brotherhood members inside the building exchanged gunfire with attackers.

State news agency MENA reported that 11 were treated in hospital for birdshot wounds, and across the country, the health ministry said, 613 people were injured as a result of factional fighting in the streets.

In Alexandria, Egypt's second city, 100,000 rallied in the centre, with similar rallies reported in dozens of other Egyptian cities. The headquarters of the Muslim Brotherhood, Morsi's Islamist group, came under attack as night fell.
A spokesman for Morsi said that the president knew he had made mistakes and was working to fix them. Omar Amer added that Morsi was serious in his repeated calls for national dialogue.

"(Morsi) announced to all of Egypt's people that he made mistakes and that he is in the process of fixing these mistakes," Amer told a late-night news conference.

He said Morsi had "extended his hand" for dialogue and wanted to listen to everyone, repeating the president's previous calls for national dialogue, which the opposition has rebuffed as not serious.

"I want to confirm one truth, if there is a total lack of response to this initiative, no listening to it, no interest in it from any side, what do you think the presidency can do?" the president's spokesman said. "The presidency is now waiting for a reaction, no matter how small, so it can build on it." The scale of the protests – which took place on the first day of the Egyptian working week – surpassed predictions made by presidential aides, who had expected only 150,000 people to take part nationwide.

A military source told Reuters that as many as 14 million people in the country of 84 million took part in the demonstrations. There was no independent way of verifying that estimate, though the armed forces used helicopters to monitor the crowds.

"The scenes of protests are unprecedented in size and scope, and seemingly surpass those during the 18-day uprising that toppled Mubarak," said Michael Hanna, a fellow at the Century Foundation and a longtime Egypt analyst.

The scale of protests were even more remarkable, Hanna said, because they were "a bottom-up, grassroots effort and not directed by political opposition leaders. In a sense, they have latched on to this expanding current. While the organisers were diligent and creative, while lacking organisation and funding, this breadth of mass mobilisation could not have transpired unless the protest movement was tapping into deep and growing frustration and disenchantment with the current course of the country and its leadership."

Some senior members of the Muslim Brotherhood spent the day travelling, fearing for their safety. Morsi himself moved from Itahadiya to the Quba palace, a state building in a safer part of Cairo.

"Egyptians are doing it again," said Ahmed Said, a leader of the largest opposition coalition, the National Salvation Front (NSF).

"They insist on regaining their hijacked revolution. We have revolted to reclaim our dignity, and reclaim our dignity we will."

But Morsi was defiant in the face of such dissent. "If we changed someone in office who [was elected] according to constitutional legitimacy – well, there will be people opposing the new president too, and a week or a month later they will ask him to step down," Morsi told the Guardian in an exclusive interview.

While Morsi was elected in free elections, his opponents believe he has failed to uphold the democratic values on which a well-rounded democracy depends. In particular, he has been criticised for using a presidential decree to force through an Islamist-slanted constitution, viewed by many as the act of a dictator.

Among many other complaints, Morsi has been accused of presiding over the oppression of activists and journalists, and a marked drop in living standards.

Once a consensus candidate for Islamist and secular voters, critics say he has alienated secular politicians and failed to achieve the unity he was elected to build. Morsi blames the opposition for failing to meet him halfway.

"Morsi got elected in a democratic way," said one government critic, businessman Hassan Shanab. "But since he took over, everything's been polarised. All of a sudden, we see ourselves part of an Islamic regime like Iran. Morsi's answerable to the Brotherhood, but they are not answerable to us." As Shanab spoke, a crowd of protesters nearby started pelting a giant poster of Morsi with stones.

The president still has a vocal support base, 20,000 of whom have been camped in east Cairo since Friday in a show of support for his regime and for its democratic legitimacy. Many of them saw the protests elsewhere as counter-revolutionary and some claimed they had been started by forces loyal to former dictator Hosni Mubarak.

"I'm here to defend my vote, and to defend a revolution I was part of," said Shaima Abdel-Hamid, a teacher and Morsi supporter.

"We chose a president and now they want to get rid of him when he's dealing with 30 years of corruption. And they want to get rid of him after only a year."

"Seculars will not rule Egypt again," chanted one crowd of Morsi backers, who come not just from the Muslim Brotherhood, but from other Islamist groups such as Gamaa Islamiya, a Salafi movement.

A senior Brotherhood politician, Essam El-Erian, denounced the protests as a "coup attempt". In a statement on the group's website, he challenged the opposition to test public opinion in parliamentary elections instead of "simply massing people in violent demonstrations, thuggery or shedding the precious blood of Egyptians".

Yet many in Tahrir Square emphasised their religiosity, while rejecting what they perceived as the Brotherhood's attempts to run the Egyptian state along religious lines and to arbitrate on the correct interpretation of Islam. "I voted for him," said Haga Zeinab, a niqab-wearing protester in Tahrir. "But it turns out he only thinks his own people can be Muslims."

Anti-regime protesters created a carnival atmosphere in the square, with many setting off fireworks. At Itahadiya, they bobbed to patriotic songs played from a soundsystem resting on a first-floor balcony.

But at the Islamist rally, the mood was tetchy, particularly after several Brotherhood offices were attacked this week, and one former Brotherhood MP was killed. Many donned cycle helmets and builders' hard hats, and held shields and sticks in case of attack, waiting in defensive mode behind six lines of security checks. Some carried homemade shields emblazoned with the slogan: "Legitimacy is a red line" – a reference to Morsi's democratic mandate.

But with senior Muslim clerics warning of the prospect of civil war this week, many of the Islamists promised to act if the presidential palace came under attack from anti-Morsi protesters, and the police or the army fail to defend it.

The police have historically been no friend of the Brotherhood; across Egypt there were isolated accounts of policemen expressing support for anti-Morsi protesters.

"Now we're seeing the revolution being threatened," said Mohamed Sherif Abdeen, an IT teacher and member of the Muslim Brotherhood. He was carrying a stick and wearing a hard hat – for self-defence, he said. "We won't do anything if the army and police do their job. But, if not, and they don't protect the presidential palace, we will protect it with our chests."

At Itahadiya, medics were taking precautions, anticipating night-time attacks from Islamist forces or state officials. Tahrir Doctors, who tend to the injured at most Cairo protests, set up three field hospitals, staffed by about 30 medics. "If we get any injured from any side, we will treat them equally," said Dr Amr Shebaita, the group's head.
Egypt has been rife with speculation about what will happen next. Two of Egypt's best-known opposition leaders – leftist Hamdeen Sabbahy and liberal Mohamed Baradei – were photographed marching arm in arm towards Itahadiya on Sunday. Should Morsi fall, both are considered potential key players in any transition scenario. Among Morsi's opponents, the most popular and startling choice of successor – at least in the interim – may be the head of the armed forces, General Abdel Fattah Sisi.

There is widespread support for an army coup, particularly after Sisi hinted at the possibility of military intervention last week. "Come on Sisi," chanted protesters outside the presidential palace on Sunday. "My president is not Morsi."

Demonstrators camped outside Cairo's defence ministry – in yet another protest – shouted: "The people and the army are one hand."

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/30/mohamed-morsi-egypt-protests
 
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Protesters across Egypt call for Mohamed Morsi to go
That’s wonderful- and guess what?

You keep protesting peacefully until the government has no choice but to step down and call for new elections.

Did Morsi govt step down peacefully or was it forcibly overthrown by the military?

Were transparent and fair elections held?

We’ve had massive protests against the PMLN govt and the PTI govt in Pakistan - that isn’t justification for a dictator to overthrow a government.

@The SC
Why are you so intent on justifying sissy’s actions?

Whatever the flaws of the Morsi govt, it should have had a fair chance to govern and address issues. As I said earlier, democracy, like Rome, isn’t built in a day, especially when you’re dealing with a society and State that has been governed as a dictatorship for decades.

Systems, institutions and societies are destroyed during dictatorships that long - they need to be rebuilt and that takes time.
 
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That’s wonderful- and guess what?

You keep protesting peacefully until the government has no choice but to step down and call for new elections.

Did Morsi govt step down peacefully or was it forcibly overthrown by the military?

Were transparent and fair elections held?

We’ve had massive protests against the PMLN govt and the PTI govt in Pakistan - that isn’t justification for a dictator to overthrow a government.

@The SC
Why are you so intent on justifying sissy’s actions?

Whatever the flaws of the Morsi govt, it should have had a fair chance to govern and address issues. As I said earlier, democracy, like Rome, isn’t built in a day, especially when you’re dealing with a society and State that has been governed as a dictatorship for decades.

Systems, institutions and societies are destroyed during dictatorships that long - they need to be rebuilt and that takes time.
It is obvious that the Egyptian people did not want to give Morsi anymore time, Because as simple as it might sound, they did not want to be another Iran..

I am not justifying ..just brought facts..that might help understand why Morsi was toppled by the Egyptian people ..
 
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It is obvious that the Egyptian people did not want to give Morsi anymore time, Because as simple as it might sound, they did not want to be another Iran..

I am not justifying ..just brought facts..that might help understand why Morsi was toppled by the Egyptian people ..
I can't accept that he was toppled by the Egyptian people because the military overthrew him.

Egyptians protested, as is their right, but the military taking control of the country makes those protests suspect in terms of how much involvement the Egyptian military had in stoking them.

How long was Morsi in power after all? About a year?

Are the Egyptian people that stupid that they wanted to overthrow a government in just over a year?

Even in Pakistan we have idiots who were cursing and abusing Imran Khan and the PTI after a year for not fixing the myriad structural issues that have been decades in the making, and while there have been protests, many of us have also called for calm and patience and letting the new PTI government make mistakes, learn and have a fair chance to demonstrate whether it can start to deliver on the promises it made.

Even during the previous 10 years of the abysmal PPP and PMLN governments, that I opposed, I argued against anyone who wanted an unconstitutional overthrow of the PPP or PMLN government because democracy is never going to have a chance to mature without letting both the electorate and the governing parties go through the process of governance and elections where they are judged based on their performance.
 
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That’s wonderful- and guess what?

You keep protesting peacefully until the government has no choice but to step down and call for new elections.

Did Morsi govt step down peacefully or was it forcibly overthrown by the military?

Were transparent and fair elections held?

We’ve had massive protests against the PMLN govt and the PTI govt in Pakistan - that isn’t justification for a dictator to overthrow a government.

@The SC
Why are you so intent on justifying sissy’s actions?

Whatever the flaws of the Morsi govt, it should have had a fair chance to govern and address issues. As I said earlier, democracy, like Rome, isn’t built in a day, especially when you’re dealing with a society and State that has been governed as a dictatorship for decades.

Systems, institutions and societies are destroyed during dictatorships that long - they need to be rebuilt and that takes time.

It is weird that he live in a democratic Canada but dont understand simple logic that demonstration cannot topple any democratic elected President.

This 212 demonstration in Jakarta, Indonesia, was held by Islamist who is naturally anti Jokowi. Despite huge demonstrator that filled the Jakarta street, they do understand that demonstration cannot make what they want to happen. They just want to show their political power during Jakarta election which is a fight between Jokowi camp vs Islamist.

It is why they dont force their agenda through demonstration like happening in Thailand/Egypt/Iraq/Hongkong/Lebanon. The demonstration was only held 2 times so our economy doesnt get any effect.

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I can't accept that he was toppled by the Egyptian people because the military overthrew him.

Egyptians protested, as is their right, but the military taking control of the country makes those protests suspect in terms of how much involvement the Egyptian military had in stoking them.

How long was Morsi in power after all? About a year?

Are the Egyptian people that stupid that they wanted to overthrow a government in just over a year?

Even in Pakistan we have idiots who were cursing and abusing Imran Khan and the PTI after a year for not fixing the myriad structural issues that have been decades in the making, and while there have been protests, many of us have also called for calm and patience and letting the new PTI government make mistakes, learn and have a fair chance to demonstrate whether it can start to deliver on the promises it made.

Even during the previous 10 years of the abysmal PPP and PMLN governments, that I opposed, I argued against anyone who wanted an unconstitutional overthrow of the PPP or PMLN government because democracy is never going to have a chance to mature without letting both the electorate and the governing parties go through the process of governance and elections where they are judged based on their performance.
Well I understand that it goes smoothly in Pakistan sometimes, and in other cases there were assassinations too as in the cases of Benazir and Zia.. And I am curious to know what Pakistani people would have done if any president decides on his own to make Pakistan another Islamist nation like Iran..
The smoothness was tried in Egypt by holding fair elections and electing Morsi..but what do you do when a President starts doing opposite things to what he was elected for and almost right away..Egyptians in fact were very smart to topple him sooner rather than later.. as we can see now Egypt is doing pretty well on all levels..And the army is not a different entity in Egypt, it is from the same people and serves them..

It is weird that he live in a democratic Canada but dont understand simple logic that demonstration cannot topple any democratic elected President.

This 212 demonstration in Jakarta, Indonesia, was held by Islamist who is naturally anti Jokowi. Despite huge demonstrator that filled the Jakarta street, they do understand that demonstration cannot make what they want to happen. They just want to show their political power during Jakarta election which is a fight between Jokowi camp vs Islamist.

It is why they dont force their agenda through demonstration like happening in Thailand/Egypt/Iraq/Hongkong/Lebanon. The demonstration was only held 2 times so our economy doesnt get any effect.

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No my friend.. if a prime minister here in Canada tries to change the whole system like let say to a communist system, he will be rejected right away and forced to resign and leave his post..

BTW how long those demonstrations lasted in your country? Because in Egypt the protests went on for 18 days 24/h a day to topple Mubarak and more than a week to topple Morsi.. So as you say the economy was hit.. but the end justifies the means in the Egyptian case..as you can see now Egypt is doing better than ever..
 
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No my friend.. if a prime minister here in Canada tries to change the whole system like let say a communist system , he will be rejected right away and forced to resign and leave his post..

BTW how long those demonstrations lasted in your country? Because in Egypt the protests went on for 18 days 24/h a day to topple Mubarak and more than a week to topple Morsi.. So as you say the economy was hit.. but the end justifies the means in the Egyptians case..as you can see now Egypt is doing better than ever..

Look like you and other Nationalist Arab are afraid with Mursi intention to change the constitution while he has 70 % seat in parliament (with Salafist backing). What ever he will make on the constitution, I believe Egypt will not likely to turn 180 degree into a country like Iran. I believe MB still believe with democracy. They do understand there is still military there that hold significant power.

And I also see that you dont have any problem with Saudi government despite they have become ultra Islamist (although currently they are against political Islam that believe with democracy system). I also dont like ultra Islamist who control people too much and enforce rule like obligatory hijab, forcing men to pray Jumah, something that I believe is not even written in both Quran and Hadith.

Actually any change should be made gradually, it is one of the wrong thing made by MB. I have seen it during that period and I have suggested Egyptian MB not to take any drastic change in constitution through popular Facebook page. But since individual posting in FB page is not really having any exposure among the party elite so no one hearing my suggestion.

They should first make military give up their political and economical power like what Indonesia did during 1999-2004. They should cooperate with the other group (Nationalist) to weaken the military first instead of targeting its Islamist agenda. Indonesia also still respect Soeharto and political party under Soeharto (Golkar). Golkar still hold big power even until now and Soeharto was stil respected until his death. Putting Mubarak into a jail is a mistake since it makes the military angry. I hope if there is any political change happen again in Arab world, they should instead follow what has been done by Indonesian.

The reason Indonesian Islamist dont do long demonstration at that event (2016) because we as people have become more mature about democracy. The event happened during Jakarta election campaign. In the first 4 years of our democracy, there were many demonstration conducted by university students. Particularly the secularist, Christian and nationalist one since they are afraid that democracy in the long term will favor Islamist agenda. They want to change democracy with a committee of group with equal power. Maybe in essence their effort is similar with Egypt anti Mursi demonstration to prevent Islamist reach their goal. But unlike happening in Egypt, our people dont support them.
 
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Look like you and other Nationalist Arab are afraid with Mursi intention to change the constitution while he has 70 % seat in parliament (with Salafist backing). What ever he will make on the constitution, I believe Egypt will not likely to turn 180 degree into a country like Iran. I believe MB still believe with democracy. They do understand there is still military there that hold significant power.

And I also see that you dont have any problem with Saudi government despite they have become ultra Islamist (although currently they are against political Islam that believe with democracy system). I also dont like ultra Islamist who control people too much and enforce rule like obligatory hijab, forcing men to pray Jumah, something that I believe is not even written in both Quran and Hadith.

Actually any change should be made gradually, it is one of the wrong thing made by MB. I have seen it during that period and I have suggested Egyptian MB not to take any drastic change in constitution through popular Facebook page. But since individual posting in FB page is not really having any exposure among the party elite so no one hearing my suggestion.

They should first make military give up their political and economical power like what Indonesia did during 1999-2004. They should cooperate with the other group (Nationalist) to weaken the military first instead of targeting its Islamist agenda. Indonesia also still respect Soeharto and political party under Soeharto (Golkar). Golkar still hold big power even until now and Soeharto was stil respected until his death. Putting Mubarak into a jail is a mistake since it makes the military angry. I hope if there is any political change happen again in Arab world, they should instead follow what has been done by Indonesian.

The reason Indonesian Islamist dont do long demonstration at that event (2016) because we as people have become more mature about democracy. The event happened during Jakarta election campaign. In the first 4 years of our democracy, there were many demonstration conducted by university students. Particularly the secularist, Christian and nationalist one since they are afraid that democracy in the long term will favor Islamist agenda. They want to change democracy with a committee of group with equal power. Maybe in essence their effort is similar with Egypt anti Mursi demonstration to prevent Islamist reach their goal. But unlike happening in Egypt, our people dont support them.
I am glad to hear that your country Indonesia is a democratic state.. I can see your nationalism is moderate as most Arabs..
But here we are talking about the ME, a hot spot by all means..Already 3 Arab nations were almost lost to that Arab spring movement that apparently has been stirred from outside the Arab world, namely; Syria, Libya and Yemen.. and it has reached most other Arab nations with demonstrations.. so you can be sure that there is some form of democracy in those countries that have survived the Arab spring without any bloodshed, violence or suppression..
 
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i think it was about JF-17 BLOCK 3 and egypt
not mursi vs sisi and internal issues of egypt
 
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That’s wonderful- and guess what?

You keep protesting peacefully until the government has no choice but to step down and call for new elections.

Did Morsi govt step down peacefully or was it forcibly overthrown by the military?

Were transparent and fair elections held?

We’ve had massive protests against the PMLN govt and the PTI govt in Pakistan - that isn’t justification for a dictator to overthrow a government.

@The SC
Why are you so intent on justifying sissy’s actions?

Whatever the flaws of the Morsi govt, it should have had a fair chance to govern and address issues. As I said earlier, democracy, like Rome, isn’t built in a day, especially when you’re dealing with a society and State that has been governed as a dictatorship for decades.

Systems, institutions and societies are destroyed during dictatorships that long - they need to be rebuilt and that takes time.
We did protest against Morsi, and demanded him to leave, but he refused, and said "Let me complete my 4 years" so the military warned him, and gave him a date to resign before, but again he refused. and the rest went down as history.
 
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We did protest against Morsi, and demanded him to leave, but he refused, and said "Let me complete my 4 years" so the military warned him, and gave him a date to resign before, but again he refused. and the rest went down as history.
What is your take on Egypt getting an assembly line for the JF-17 BLK III?
 
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