Durga Puja is not only Hindu festival. It is festival for all : Bangladesh PM Sheikh Hasina

[PoondolotoPandalum]

40% of our army is pashtun, most of our cabinet is pashtun, our civil service is Urdu speaking, corporate sector is mixed

But when it's time to talk crap bring the good old racist Punjabi slurs...

You are 100% correct

Let's leave it at that

 

[Maula Jatt]

Before this thread degenerates even further:

Some of you guys come in here to comment on this thread about the clearly problematic topic of the original post. (I don't think Muslims should be celebrating Durga Puja anymore than Easter) (That doesn't stop some of us from making Easter Eggs in grade school or wanting Christmas presents)

Also, keep in mind this post, along with many others, was created by a fringe individual and probably crypto Hindu.

However, for some reason some of you guys think its ok to question the Islam of 150 million people based on the above.

This is not the first time.

There always seems to be the appearance of SOME Pakistanis equating Bangladeshis/Bengalis as Hindus or somehow lesser Muslims.

If that's the case here on PDF in 2021, lets be real, that was probably even more so the case in 1971.

And you wonder why things went the way they did.

The criteria for who is a better Muslim is laid out in the Quran.

And for that the creator is the judge, not man.

Keep this in mind.

Addendum: For any mods reading this, the Fake Turk is consistent with his denigrating behavior. And not a damn thing has materially been done.

They were womenizing drunkards, the elites
They would give zero s**** if someone is a Muslim or not- issue was if you were deemed Pro-India

Except for Urdu speakers and Pashtun belt

Most other pakistani for the most part aren't too much into Islam- they can have a reputation for it but Pakistanis would much rather have pleasures of life than to be paka Muslim

 

[karachidude86]

You don't have to believe to celebrate. A kid busrting a cracker during Diwali doesn't make him Hindu or is he practicing Hinduism, the kid is just having fun.

Millions of non Muslims eat halal food and doesn't make them believe in Islam or mean anything. You should stop judging people looking everything through religious angle.

You missed the point senior, its prohibited in Islam to PROMOTE or ENCOURAGE paganism/kufr in any way shape or form, what muslims can do is discourage it with beautiful speech!

 

[Avicenna]

They were womenizing drunkards, the elites
They would give zero s**** if someone is a Muslim or not- issue was if you were deemed Pro-India

Except for Urdu speakers and Pashtun belt

Most other pakistani for the most part aren't too much into Islam- they can have a reputation for it but Pakistanis would much rather have pleasures of life than to be paka Muslim

Right.

Elite are Elite no matter what the country.

That's probably the case for Bangladeshi elite as well.

And to be fair, Bangladeshis are racist as well.

Case in point, a lot of Bengali folk on social media calling our neighbors to the East monkeys.....

But do yourself a favor and browse ALL the past threads and tell me there isn't a pattern of behavior. (Start with this one)

So much so, that it was even pointed out by a White American on PDF.

Despite that, maturity and god consciousness directs us to behave a certain way with each other.

That is apparently lost on some for cheap shots. (Goes both ways)

 

[Maula Jatt]

5/28

Look up again, I can count more than 10
off the top of my head, thier can be more
But either way PTI is a Pashtun centric party, I was saying it in that sense

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Bangladesh will be split , with these leaders like Sudan/South Sudan when time will come

 

[Goritoes]

Well Good for her, she should bow down to Durga and do pooja paat as well, and hope that Idol will help her in the after life, Bengali's have more connection and closed culture affiliation with Hindu's than Muslims, I am not surprised from her statement, As for being a Muslim, you simply can not celebrate or do anything but break the idols, these false idols are nothing but stones carved man made God(s), if anyone call themselves as Muslim then they have nothing to do with Hinduism or its festivals, creating harmony doesn't mean adopting pagan rituals or attend them where other than Allah is Worshiped.

 

[Enigma SIG]

Closet Hindu.

 

[jamahir]

I know what it said , I telling you one doesn't have to look everything in a religious way.

I am not looking at it from a religious way but from a desire to see harmony and good health and prevent pollution and chaos. For example have you seen how cats ( in how much ever almost extinct numbers they are in India ) totally panic and hide in the deepest place when the firecrackers go off in the skies and the roads ? The comfort of cats is among the best measures to see if a society is harmonious.

hmmmm. what's the problem with idolatry, I never understood it. people don't literally believe that some idol is god

What they do is believe that the idol is a manifestation of some god or goddess. Don't believing Hindus present food to the idols for example ? Don't they prevent shifting of temples saying that the temple is house of the god or goddess ? Don't they install idols in their houses and bow to them each day all day ? Don't they do prayer to these house idols and take the ritual plate that has an oil or ghee lamp that has been kept in front of the idol and then push the smoke from that lamp to all places in the house including to its members to get blessing from that god or goddess ? What is all that for ?

About my objection to idolatry, though I believe in the undeniable supremacy of Nature which exists for a human whether or not he believes in divinity, I must ask, how has someone decided that a god or goddess looks humanoid or if divinity has a form in the first place ? Such simple questions. I believe when the earliest Muslims won Makkah city they went to the Kaaba where were kept idols of the gods and goddess worshiped in Arabia and they destroyed all of them declaring that these idols of the gods and goddesses were so powerless that they couldn't prevent their own destruction.

it's just an object of focus.

Many believing Hindus say that. Never understood what that meant.

edit: nevermind, I assumed you meant from a secular perspective. but I guess non-praying can just mean more liberal following of the iconoclastic religion.

Firstly, please see the first line in the second quote above for my basic belief. Secondly, Islam in essence is a very simple religion without even a priest system. It is a guide on how to arrange a society that is just and simple politically and socio-economically. For example, provision of rights and facilities to women and men in the marriage laws and inheritance laws. Now the original "Without a priest" system has devolved into presence of the mullahs.

However, it would be organic for Muslims to meld their beliefs into modern Communism in say 15 years since Communism also calls for a just and simple humanity ( by "simple" I mean politically and socio-economically. Technologically we can develop to what is reasonable ). I quote a section from this thread of mine from 2016 whose OP is an article by the Pakistani journalist Nadeem Paracha and is about Socialist and Communist activism among Muslims since the early 1900s :

During the same period (1920s-30s), another (though lesser known) Islamic scholar in undivided India got smitten by the 1917 Russian revolution and Marxism.

Hafiz Rahman Sihwarwl saw Islam and Marxism sharing five elements in common: (1) prohibition of the accumulation of wealth in the hands of the privileged classes (2) organisation of the economic structure of the state to ensure social welfare (3) equality of opportunity for all human beings (4) priority of collective social interest over individual privilege and (5) prevention of the permanentising of class structure through social revolution.

The motivations for many of these themes he drew from the Qur’an, which he understood as seeking to create an economic order in which the rich pay excessive, though voluntary taxes (Zakat) to minimise differences in living standards.

In the areas that Sihwarwl saw Islam and communism diverge were Islam’s sanction of private ownership within certain limits, and in its refusal to recognise an absolutely classless basis of society.

He suggested that Islam, with its prohibition of the accumulation of wealth, is able to control the class structure through equality of opportunity.

Basically, both Sindhi and Sihwarwl had stumbled upon an Islamic concept of the social democratic welfare state.

Further, please read this thread of mine where I present the outline of a new, very simple economic system which though doesn't eliminate money system entirely ( which is one of the desires of Communism ) but still manages to eliminate economic classes - rich, middle, poor - ( which is also one of the desires of Communism ).

 

[Indos]

Before this thread degenerates even further:

The criteria for who is a better Muslim is laid out in the Quran.

And for that the creator is the judge, not man.

Keep this in mind.

Yup, true this is the standard

 

[Indos]

I am not looking at it from a religious way but from a desire to see harmony and good health and prevent pollution and chaos. For example have you seen how cats ( in how much ever almost extinct numbers they are in India ) totally panic and hide in the deepest place when the firecrackers go off in the skies and the roads ? The comfort of cats is among the best measures to see if a society is harmonious.



What they do is believe that the idol is a manifestation of some god or goddess. Don't believing Hindus present food to the idols for example ? Don't they prevent shifting of temples saying that the temple is house of the god or goddess ? Don't they install idols in their houses and bow to them each day all day ? Don't they do prayer to these house idols and take the ritual plate that has an oil or ghee lamp that has been kept in front of the idol and then push the smoke from that lamp to all places in the house including to its members to get blessing from that god or goddess ? What is all that for ?

About my objection to idolatry, though I believe in the undeniable supremacy of Nature which exists for a human whether or not he believes in divinity, I must ask, how has someone decided that a god or goddess looks humanoid or if divinity has a form in the first place ? Such simple questions. I believe when the earliest Muslims won Makkah city they went to the Kaaba where were kept idols of the gods and goddess worshiped in Arabia and they destroyed all of them declaring that these idols of the gods and goddesses were so powerless that they couldn't prevent their own destruction.



Many believing Hindus say that. Never understood what that meant.



Firstly, please see the first line in the second quote above for my basic belief. Secondly, Islam in essence is a very simple religion without even a priest system. It is a guide on how to arrange a society that is just and simple politically and socio-economically. For example, provision of rights and facilities to women and men in the marriage laws and inheritance laws. Now the original "Without a priest" system has devolved into presence of the mullahs.

However, it would be organic for Muslims to meld their belief in Islam into modern Communism in say 15 years since Communism also calls for a just and simple humanity ( by "simple" I mean politically and socio-economically ). I quote this thread of mine from 2016 whose OP is an article by the Pakistani journalist Nadeem Paracha and is about Socialist and Communist activism among Muslims since the early 1900s :

Further, please read this thread of mine where I present the outline of a new, very simple economic system which though doesn't eliminate money system entirely ( which is one of the desires of Communism ) but still manages to eliminate economic classes - rich, middle, poor - ( which is also one of the desires of Communism ).

Actually do you believe with one and only God who create us and to Him we are worshiping and laying our hope ?

In Bangladesh Durga Puja is the second biggest festival after Eid. Durga Puja also has strong cultural impact in our Bengali culture. Bengali culture is just a part of Hindu culture. Hindus use Mangal Pradip. In Bangladesh Muslims also use Mangal Pradip during any cultural program inauguration, just like what Hindus do in Navratri festival. My dear brother, believe me, we are really culturally Hindu people with Muslim faith.

Are you Hindu or Muslim ?

 

[jamahir]

Actually do you believe with one and only God who create us and to Him we are worshiping and laying our hope ?

As I said, I believe in the undeniable supremacy of Nature which is formless and infinite. Tell me, let's say we are in a spacecraft. We need to be within the protective confines of the spacecraft to be alive and when we go out of it we need to wear a reliable spacesuit. Now, let's say there is a star nearby. Can we believe just on doing prayer to God and dive our spacecraft into the star and hope for the spacecraft to be intact, with we alive, just because we believe in God, worship Him and have done prayer now ?

Nature is supreme, whether or not we believe in God. Nature created us and we must live within the rules of Nature to be existent. But how Nature was created, people can only theorize - like the Big Bang Theory. And what was there before Big Bang, I believe physicists say there was a compressed dot of energy, but the dot in itself represents existence of Nature and for how long ?

I have simple beliefs.

 

[Indos]

As I said, I believe in the undeniable supremacy of Nature which is formless and infinite. Tell me, let's say you are in a spacecraft. You need to be within the protective confines of the spacecraft to be alive and when you go out of it you need to wear a reliable spacesuit. Now, let's say there is a star nearby. Can you believe just on doing prayer to God and dive your spacecraft into the star and hope for the spacecraft to be intact, with you alive, just because you believe in God, worship Him and have done prayer now ?

Nature is supreme, whether or not you believe in God. Nature created us and we must live within the rules of Nature to be existent. But how Nature was created, people can only theorize - like the Big Bang Theory. And what was there before Big Bang, I believe physicists say there was a compressed dot of energy, but the dot in itself represents existence of Nature and for how long ?

I have simple beliefs.

Nature is Universe and the system that build it is called Sunnatullah in Islam. The Nature and system is made by God. Actually when I was a child I remember about God and there is feeling that I dont like The Afterlife where God will be in rule. Dont know why, that is why at that time I rather avoid thinking about afterlife and enjoy the life on earth where I have freedom to do anything I like.

Some how when I grow older about Junior High school, I dont have that feeling anymore. Today I see God as a liberator than a powerful Entity that like to control me. God is actually accompanying us all the time and never leaves us, his rule that we have to obey is actually making us liberated since we are taught not to get people acceptance as our life target, but rather seeking God acceptance.

As what has been stated by prophet Muhammad that God to the believer is more loving than a mother to her little child

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

As I said, I believe Nature which is formless and infinite.

Nature is finite. The unseen Creator God is infinite and formless, beyond space and time. So, Allah is not physically part of His creation. An interesting and mysterious aspect is that the fabric of space-time is expanding and accelerating by an energy [dark energy] which makes it seem the law of conservation is being violated [infinite energy]. A physicist named Barak Shoshany on Qoura said this: "The law of conservation of energy only applies to systems which possess time translation symmetry (i.e. they look the same at any point in time). But the universe is not such a system because, well, it expands as time passes, so it doesn't look the same."

 

[Kaleem.61]

Most Stupid comments!

Worshipping Durga will be a festival for a country having 80 to 90% Muslims!!!

Don't drag religion in your dirty politics (Just to make someone happy)!!!