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Dr. Zakir Naik says Partition was wrong

Afghanistan and Somalia aren't exactly great places to live now are they? Also, they don't exactly have perfect Sharia (no country does but some are closer to it like Saudi Arabia, but they have their own problems too).

If you know, then I hope you don't plan to publicise your apostasy.
Of course they are great for a sharia guy or you want t live in developed infidel countries instead of backward sharia countries are you admitting that the sharia make a country like Denmark look like Afghanistan and Somalia?!!

As for my irtitad don't worry I will not say it publicly not because I am scared but because I don't want my family get a bad name
 
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First of all, you are showing your family culture and education in very poor light by using abuse words when none here abused you .
It's ok, all background are allowed in this forum , just try to learn from the decent folks here, don't stay where you are.

Now back to topic:
Ali died in Feb 1951.
Till Nov.1953, the Pakistani Govt. was not bothered to contribute to his funeral. Now that's rather pathetic, for a person who dreamt up the name Pakistan !

Now please try to maintain some class in your posts.



Here's something you will be even more uncomfortable with :

''As we were drinking our coffee and enjoying our sausages, in came an old, bearded Muslim with a young boy of about ten years of age, probably his grandson. They came and sat down near Jinnah. It was obvious that they had been directed from Town Hall… I then saw the boy’s hand reaching out slowly but irresistibly towards the plate of pork sausages. After some hesitation, he picked up one, put it in his mouth, munched it and seemed to enjoy it tremendously. I watched this uneasily… After some time they left and Jinnah turned to me, and said angrily: “Chagla, you should be ashamed of yourself.” I said: ” What did I do?” Jinnah asked: “How dare you allow the young boy to eat pork sausages?” I said: “Look, Jinnah, I had to use all my mental faculties to come to a quick decision. The question was: should I let Jinnah lose his election or should I let the boy go to eternal damnation? I chose in your favour.”- M.C. Chagla, Roses in December, as quoted in Jinnah of Pakistan by Stanley Wolpert

President/General Zia trying to convince Wolpert to censor parts of his book that talked about Jinnah eating pork and drinking alcohol so it could be mandatory reading for all undergraduate students. Wolpert refused to have passages from his book censored, even after being given the promise of ‘making millions’ off the book. Diplomatic touts of Zia even had the audacity to approach his daughter, Dina, living in New York, she was clandestinely asked to deny that her father ever drank alcohol or ate ham. When she refused to oblige , she was threatened with ´disclosures´ about her private life if she ever made it public that she had been approached. He was the real Deedawar, that is the point here not what Taliban or Zia want to show him or portray him as. "
Jinnah stopped consuming alcohol during the last years of his life. The banquet given to Viceroy of India (Mountbatten) in Karachi was alcohol free highlighting the Islamic character of the new state.

Jinnah never consumed pork; it was a piece of propaganda spread by MC Chagla who held a personal grudge against Jinnah.

Akbar S. Ahmed writes in his book - Jinnah, Pakistan and Islamic Identity:

The answer may well come from Muslim history. Babar, the Mughal emperor, provides an interesting example of a Muslim’s attitude to drink. Famous in history as a tippler, he was also a poet, autobiographer, warrior and a family man. But at a critical point of his career, when the fate of India was to be decided through a battle, he decided to make a personal sacrifice. He promised God that he would give up drink on the eve of the battle. He went on to win India. Perhaps something similar happened to Jinnah. Several sources indicate that towards the end of his life he had given up drink.

In August 1995 in Cambridge, Yahya Bakhtiar recalled that to the best of his knowledge Jinnah stopped drinking in his final years, and that Iqbal had done the same —that is, in spite of doctor’s orders, they had ‘gone Muslim’. S.S.Pirzada confirms this: ‘It is on record that during his last illness when his physician advised him to take a little brandy, “as a medicine”, he refused. “You want me to take it [alcohol] in the last days of my life, I would not do that,” he said’ (interview of S.S.Pirzada by M.H.Faruqi, Impact International, August 1995:19).

Pirzada also rejects the often repeated story of Jinnah eating ham sandwiches. As Jinnah’s honorary secretary between 1941 and 1944, he never saw him eat forbidden flesh. However weak the evidence, the most widely read works on Pakistan—by Christina Lamb and Emma Duncan, for example—begin their accounts with a predictable catalogue of Jinnah’s dietary habits.

Pirzada put the matter in perspective: ‘Still there is this story about ham sandwiches which is being given currency in Pakistan now’ (Pirzada interview, ibid.). ‘The only source for this appears to be M.C.Chagla’s book Roses in December…. After independence, he rose to become a Minister in the Indian Government and a virulent anti-Pakistani.’ Pirzada explained Chagla’s motivation as the need for revenge: Chagla had been both an honorary secretary to Jinnah in the 1920s and a secretary of the Muslim League, but when he welcomed the Nehru Report in 1928, which Jinnah opposed, Jinnah had him removed. When partition came in 1947 Chagla remained on in India, rising to the post of Chief Justice of the Bombay High Court and eventually becoming ambassador to the USA and Foreign Minister of India. Chagla needed to show loyalty to India and also wished to project Jinnah as ‘secular’ and a flawed Muslim.

According to Chagla’s story (quoted in Wolpert 1984:78–9), Ruttie offered ham sandwiches to Jinnah in the middle of a political campaign. If this were true it would mean that Ruttie was mentally retarded, that she had no idea about her culture and the sensibilities of her society. In fact she was an intelligent, supportive wife. Having become a Muslim after her marriage, she would have particularly appreciated the difference between what was forbidden and what was not. The last thing she would have done would be to embarrass her husband and damage his political career. As much for religious as for cultural reasons, she would certainly not have brought her husband ham sandwiches in the middle of a political campaign, even if she had wanted him to eat them in the first place. It is a silly story.

When I asked Dina Wadia in New York whether Chagla’s story had any factual basis, she recalled that over sixty years ago they were travelling by train to a hill station when ham sandwiches were brought with the food as part of the menu. Her father had them sent away. (She also expressed her irritation about Pakistanis who only seemed to be interested in whether Jinnah ate ham and drank whisky.)
 
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I agreed with Zakir Naik untill recently. But looking at current India , future is not promising for Muslims of India. India moving towards extremism while Pakistan learned hard lesson at the very militants they themselves sheltered for years.
The dangerous combination of Hindu fanaticism and Patriotism would hurt India in the long run for a country who was once known as a peace loving secular state.
 
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You are aware what is significant about 1843 and 1849 "Integration"? This was when Sindh was defeated in Battle of Miani and made into British India. In 1849 the same thing happened to Punjab which then included most of K-Pk as well. The Partition of 1947 is the exact other side of the coin of 1843/49.

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Had British not won in battle of 1843/40 there would have been no need for partition. Instead the region that is now Pakistan would have evolved on it's path as free people. Not slaves of British India.


There was no chance of non-scientific/non-industrial races winning in Battles against the Europeans unless they were fighting from mountains....the only race that managed to escape for a couple of years and managed to transform themselves in those years was the Japanese
 
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Partition was the BEST thing that happened to Hindus

That is why we LOVE SHRI Jinnah ji
 
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According to this list, Iran and Turkey are less stable than Hindustan.

What a joke lol.

This is an international report and not some countries propaganda.Turkey facing lot of problems as they border syria and also recent military coup, so consider less stable vs others.Pakistan rank is bad and so such report is joke !
 
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Drinking is good for cold countries That is why Raki is famous in colder parts of Turkey ...I personally was never fond of it....and quickly dropped it by 24. My wife does drink wine once a week
Partition was the BEST thing that happened to Hindus

That is why we LOVE SHRI Jinnah ji


Partition should have been complete...that would have ensured peace for around 200-300 years

Some Pakistanis on PDF claim that Partition was implemented to find a homeland for ALL muslims in British India

Some other Pakistanis on PDF maintain that Partition was implemented to give statehood to the Indus Basin which is culturally,racially,geographically,historically distinct from the deep interiors of British India...


Now which one of the above two is correct?
 
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Gordon's gin lol

Eeeew
Thought only tramps and benefit scrounges drank that rubbish lol



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That's better

Great. Now I can swig on jugs of Gin and not worry till I get to 65. Then I will give up drinking. Feels good to be in great company.

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Drinking is good for cold countries That is why Raki is famous in colder parts of Turkey ...I personally was never fond of it....and quickly dropped it by 24. My wife does drink wine once a week



Partition should have been complete...that would have ensured peace for around 200-300 years

Some Pakistanis on PDF claim that Partition was implemented to find a homeland for ALL muslims in British India

Some other Pakistanis on PDF maintain that Partition was implemented to give statehood to the Indus Basin which is culturally,racially,geographically,historically distinct from the deep interiors of British India...


Now which one of the above two is correct?
Partition was never meant to be a homeland for all South Asian Muslims.

Pakistan was only meant to be Muslim majority regions which seceded from the British Empire.

About Jinnah drinking, I have yet to see proof of Jinnah drinking alochol.
 
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This is an international report and not some countries propaganda.Turkey facing lot of problems as they border syria and also recent military coup, so consider less stable vs others.Pakistan rank is bad and so such report is joke !

Sorry, but Turkey is more stable than Hindustan, as is Iran.

Of course they are great for a sharia guy or you want t live in developed infidel countries instead of backward sharia countries are you admitting that the sharia make a country like Denmark look like Afghanistan and Somalia?!!

As for my irtitad don't worry I will not say it publicly not because I am scared but because I don't want my family get a bad name

Sharia doesn't make a country backwards, Sharia states were the most powerful on earth once upon a time. It's all to do with how capable the rulers are and what situation they are in.

As for the latter point, whatever you say.
 
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