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We haven't stopped evolving though, even in Islam we believe that humans now are much different to the original models Allah made.
The question is how do you define darwinism.

is your great great grandmother a monkey, 900 generations ago?

Come on, mate. You can't be serious.

We can debate though
 
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Do you have proof for monkey to man hypothesis? other than DNA similarities.

What is the "inbetween" of chimpanzee to Man?

Monkeys and humans have a common ancestor, that's the theory, not that monkeys became humans.

The common ancestor would have been monkey-like though, and the missing link is, just as it says, a missing link (missing link is what you call in between).

There's evidence, but again, there are many ways to incorporate the theory into Islam.
 
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Did humanity form a new species

If we go by Darwinian evolution or "Darwinism"

It goes by monkey to man to what then ?????
 
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The question is how do you define darwinism.

is your great great grandmother a monkey, 900 generations ago?

Come on, mate. You can't be serious.

We can debate though

I told you, I believe that monkey-like creatures evolved into somewhat intelligent humanoids, but Allah had to intervene and make the first true humans we know today, the intelligent ones like us.

It's possible that their descendants mixed with the other less advanced humanoids too.

Do you have proof that Jinnah drank wine?

Show me where is the proof.

Otherwise you are just an idiot.

There are many Salafis or Deobandis who supported the cause of Pakistan.

It was just a myth that they didn't support Pakistan cause.

The only reason Maududi did not support Pakistan initially is because he thought it would not be an Islamic state.

Also in the beginning Ahmadis/Qadiyanis had many rights.

It was only later on the Ahmadis were denied the status of being a Muslim.


What is this nonsense.

Most of South Asian Muslims are not living in India.

Agreed.

Numerous Deobandis supported Pakistan, and now a days Salafi types (whilst dissatisfied with Pakistan) prefer it to the idea of a unified Indian sub continent.
 
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I told you, I believe that monkey-like creatures evolved into somewhat intelligent humanoids, but Allah had to intervene and make the first true humans we know today, the intelligent ones like us.

It's possible that their descendants mixed with the other less advanced humanoids too.
I will have to ask an Islamic scholar on Darwinism (monkey to man hypothesis by Charles Darwin).

Thats all I can say.

If you define evolution as small changes can lead to big changes that is something anyone can believe in.
 
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I will have to ask an Islamic scholar on Darwinism (monkey to man hypothesis by Charles Darwin).

Thats all I can say.

If you define evolution as small changes can lead to big changes that is something anyone can believe in.

Most Islamic scholars don't know how evolution is considered pretty much factual.

I'd suggest you look up what Yasir Qadhi says, he's not only a proper scholar, he's also got a PhD and is Pakistani (if that means anything).

His view is generally inclined with mine.
 
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Most Islamic scholars don't know how evolution is considered pretty much factual.

I'd suggest you look up what Yasir Qadhi says, he's not only a proper scholar, he's also got a PhD and is Pakistani (if that means anything).

His view is generally inclined with mine.
I will investigate this matter.
There is no textbook saying that "Darwinism" (monkeys becoming humans) is a fact.
All textbooks just say "theory."

I will have to contact Islamic scholars on this one. However I am in Canada at the moment so searching for Islamic scholars will be difficult. When I come back to Pakistan or Saudi Arabia I will ask.
 
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I will investigate this matter.
There is no textbook saying that "Darwinism" (monkeys becoming humans) is a fact.
All textbooks just say "theory."

I will have to contact Islamic scholars on this one. However I am in Canada at the moment so searching for Islamic scholars will be difficult. When I come back to Pakistan or Saudi Arabia I will ask.

Relativity is also just a theory. So is gravity. We regard those as truthful, so the same should be done to evolution.

Please, look up what Yasir Qadhi has to say. He's not one of those liberal scholars, he's a proper traditional scholar so he's not just giving non Muslims lip service.

Asking scholars in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan isn't wise, stick to scholars who are formally educated on this issue.
 
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Relativity is also just a theory. So is gravity. We regard those as truthful, so the same should be done to evolution.

Please, look up what Yasir Qadhi has to say. He's not one of those liberal scholars, he's a proper traditional scholar so he's not just giving non Muslims lip service.

Asking scholars in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan isn't wise, stick to scholars who are formally educated on this issue.
I will have to investigate this matter myself.
I will look up Yasir Qadhi's views.
 
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Lol you guys aren't that much less violent than us:

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/violence/by-country/

Learn to be humble.



You know, as much as I despise your lot, I have to agree that evolution is pretty much fact lol and anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they're saying.

Still doesn't mean I'm no longer a hardcore Salafist though.
Well you said it you are a hardcore salafists that's say much but the question is why you live in an infidel country and why your so called peaceful religion does not like me??
 
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Who decides his interpretations are right. I have seen him wrongly interpreting hindu texts.... no idea about Islam as I am not experts.. .. but have come across people who have mentioned that he is wrong... If you believe in ONLY then his interpretations are right..... if not then probably there could be chances that you may not agree with him.....If you are zakir naik fan.... do enjoy his videos ans speeches ....You may agree with what he said in OP.... but I do not agree with him....

There are multiple interpretations to Islam, but only a select few of them are (in all honesty) valid.

These few are the four distinct madhabs of Sunni Islam. Hanafi, Hanbali, Maliki and Shafi.

These interpretations have differences, but for the most part are very similar and therefore are considered valid. Other interpretations have mixed receptions (from bad like Sufism to complete kufr like Qadianism).
 
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This is Yasir Qadhi's views:

Contemporary Islamic scholar Yasir Qadhi believes that the idea that humans evolved is against the Quran, but says that Allah may have placed humanity perfectly into an evolutionary pattern to give the appearance of human evolution.[40]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_evolution#cite_note-Hameed-40


An imam of an east London mosque, Usama Hasan, received a death threat for arguing in support of human evolution two years ago. On Saturday, London played host to a riveting intrafaith dialogue on Islam's stance on the theory of evolution. The east London imam was one of the speakers – but this time there were others who shared his viewpoint.

The event, organised by the Deen Institute, was titled Have Muslims Misunderstood Evolution? The speakers included an evolutionary biologist, a biological anthropologist, two theologians and a bona fide creationist.

It lasted seven hours, yet almost everyone stayed till the end. There were more than 850 people in the audience and even though the topic was sensitive and controversial, there was no heckling or disruption. At least from my limited interactions, it seemed that the audience was comprised mostly of young professionals. Most had no strong opinion, but their interest was evident as they were willing to spend their entire Saturday hearing about Muslim positions on evolution.

They were not disappointed.

Conversations at events such as these are often derailed by the unscientific rhetoric and common misconceptions of creationists. The success of this event related to the fact that all panellists, with the exception of a creationist, more or less accepted the scientific consensus on evolution. This allowed the discussion to centre on the question: can Muslims reconcile human evolution with their faith?

I think it is important for Muslims (and non-Muslims) to know that there are Muslim scientists who not only understand evolution, but have also thought about its implications for their own personal religious beliefs. Ehab Abouheif is an evolutionary biologist who holds the Canada research chair at McGill University and works on ant evolution. He laid out the scientific case for biological evolution and spoke about the need for Muslims to understand this bedrock principle of modern biology. He used the example of his own personal faith to counter the misconception that one cannot reconcile evolution with Islam.

Fatimah Jackson, an African American convert to Islam, is professor of biological anthropology at the University of North Carolina. Her research focuses on anthropological genetics and human biological and biocultural variability. She knew and taught evolution before her conversion to Islam in the 1970s and has never considered the two to be in conflict. She took the position that science only tells us "how" things happen, and not "why".

Both Abouheif and Jackson are outstanding researchers who accept the mainstream scientific view on evolution. They are excited about their work and unwavering in defence of their faith. They are role models for any budding Muslim scientist.

The London event also featured a theological debate between Usama Hasan and Shaykh Yasir Qadhi. Hasan is a fellow of the Royal Astronomical Society and is the imam who was threatened two years ago for his support for human evolution. He reiterated his position and argued that there was indeed room in Islamic theology to accommodate human evolution.

Qadhi, on the other hand, accepted all of evolution except where it applies to humans. However, he conceded that the "maximum we can go" from an Islamic theological perspective is to say that God inserted Adam in the natural order. To explain his position, he used the example of dominos. He asserted that Adam was the last domino placed directly by God. From his perspective, believers would see this last domino as a miracle of God, whereas non-believers would see a causal connection from all the other dominos. This way, the miracle of Adam is preserved theologically.

The high quality of scientific and theological discussion exposed the shallowness of Islamic creationists, such as Harun Yahya. One of his acolytes, Oktar Babuna, presented his arguments from Istanbul, via the internet. He kept on pointing to fossils as evidence that species have never changed in history. He also discounted any historical changes in the DNA. Babuna's arguments were countered earlier on by both Abouheif and Jackson. But he unintentionally served as a comic relief, when the audience realised that after several hours of discussion, almost all of his responses included the mention of "fossils", irrespective of the topic of discussion.

Babuna aside, this was a serious debate on an important topic. The rejection of evolution in the face of scientific consensus stands as a Galileo moment for Islam. However, the tone of the debate and the quality of intellectual exchange at the London event is encouraging and it shows modern Muslims have the maturity to address a perceived challenge from a scientific idea.



https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2013/jan/11/muslim-thought-on-evolution-debate


Now I know what you are going to say why quote wikipedia. wikipedia also has an annotation of the quote.
 
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Well you said it you are a hardcore salafists that's say much but the question is why you live in an infidel country and why your so called peaceful religion does not like me??

I'm in an infidel country to benefit myself. Once I'm done, I'll leave. I consider myself a guest, and shall behave as a guest should (respect the rules of the country you are visiting).

I know many people around old Blighty (even my sister) get angry at this statement since I was born/raised here and have a British passport, but as you've perfectly stated, this isn't an Islamic country, nor is it even Muslim majority. Until it becomes either (or preferably both), I won't feel at home.

Also, other Muslim countries don't rule by Sharia, and are filled with very un-Islamic atmospheres. The few that aren't (GCC countries) don't exactly make it easy for an outsider to permanently stay. Why else do you think I recently left Qatar?

As for apostasy, as long as you don't publicise it you can't be killed. Keep it to yourself and all will be well.

Now I know what you are saying.

Then all is well.
 
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I'm in an infidel country to benefit myself. Once I'm done, I'll leave. I consider myself a guest, and shall behave as a guest should (respect the rules of the country you are visiting).

I know many people around old Blighty (even my sister) get angry at this statement since I was born/raised here and have a British passport, but as you've perfectly stated, this isn't an Islamic country, nor is it even Muslim majority. Until it becomes either (or preferably both), I won't feel at home.

Also, other Muslim countries don't rule by Sharia, and are filled with very un-Islamic atmospheres. The few that aren't (GCC countries) don't exactly make it easy for an outsider to permanently stay. Why else do you think I recently left Qatar?

As for apostasy, as long as you don't publicise it you can't be killed. Keep it to yourself and all
will be well.
Well Afghanistan and Somalia are the only countries who rule

I know what is going to happen to the murtad
 
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Well Afghanistan and Somalia are the only countries who rule

I know what is going to happen to the murtad

Afghanistan and Somalia aren't exactly great places to live now are they? Also, they don't exactly have perfect Sharia (no country does but some are closer to it like Saudi Arabia, but they have their own problems too).

If you know, then I hope you don't plan to publicise your apostasy.
 
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