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Don't waste money on buying the Rafale. Boost Sukhoi-30MKI availability, and fast track the Tejas

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The one positive from having Arun Jaitley run the ministry of defence (MoD) in addition to his time-consuming job as finance minister is that, like Pranab Mukherjee, he will be better equipped to evaluate defence expenditure proposals that come up to the finance ministry. On the flip side, his current preoccupation with the finance ministry would leave him little time to scrutinise the fundamentals --- whether the military is manned, equipped and run effectively, why weaponry is imported and what policies could promote indigenous defence production. It would be tragic if Mr Jaitley concludes that boosting overseas arms procurement is the way to strengthen the military. It can be safely assumed that, despite the tight fiscal situation, BJP optics will trigger a moderate rise in the capital budget. What remains to be seen is whether Mr Jaitley directs most of that money to the international arms bazaar or to shoring up India’s defence production capability.
An example of this is the defence ministry’s key procurement dilemma: that is whether to sign the controversial, Rs 1,00,000 crore contract for 126 Rafale fighters for the Indian Air Force (IAF). The new government would relish the glitzy spectacle of a Rafale signing ceremony. That would please the public and placate the IAF, but it would also require allocating Rs 15,000 crore as the signing advance; and commit the IAF to annual instalments of some Rs 10,000 crore, payable yearly till 2023-24.
Yet a searching examination by Mr Jaitley would have discovered that a fraction of that expenditure --- spent on improving the serviceability rate of the Sukhoi-30MKI --- could generate equivalent combat power. By 2019, the IAF will have 272 Sukhoi-30MKIs, yet poor maintenance and inefficient spares management ensures that just 40 per cent of these fighters are combat-ready at any given time. Effectively, the IAF has just 109 combat-ready Sukhoi-30MKIs; 272 is an illusory number. Raising serviceability to 75 per cent, which is par for any self-respecting air force, would add 95 fighters to the numbers operationally available. That is precisely the number of Rafales that would be operationally available from a 126-fighter fleet, given a 75 per cent serviceability rate.
This mind-boggling truth needs reiteration, since the IAF and the MoD gloss over it --- spending Rs 5,000 crore to boost Sukhoi-30MKI serviceability would “buy” as many additional fighters as the purchase of 126 Rafales for Rs 1,00,000 crore. The IAF lament of “dwindling squadron numbers” is a red herring; more important is the number of fighters available in each squadron.
Further, abandoning the Rafael would save money for a light fighter fleet, and also build an indigenous aerospace industry. The IAF’s obsolescent MiG-21 and MiG-27 fleets could be replaced economically with an improved (or Mark II) version of the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), its development and manufacture accelerated through a strategic alliance with Swedish company, Saab, which is close to completing the Gripen-E, a fighter very much like what the IAF wants the Tejas Mark II to be. With the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO) cooperating with Saab, a world-class Tejas Mark II would start joining the IAF fleet by 2019 (assuming five years for development and testing); and a second aircraft manufacturing line would be established in India, complete with an airfield, to complement the HAL facilities at Bangalore. Further, a project like this would catalyse an entire aeronautical design and manufacturing eco-system, especially the small and medium firms that wither away when the government buys overseas, rather than innovates and produces domestically. Alongside this, aerospace engineering courses could be sponsored in selected technological institutes, which would feed into the indigenous design and manufacture of an advanced medium combat aircraft (AMCA), a project already under way. Finally, with the change left over from Rs 1,00,000 crore, New Delhi could press Stockholm hard to buy out Saab’s aerospace division. The Swedish government might resist, but its decision would eventually be driven by how much it wants a strategic alliance with an emerging superpower like India.
The army faces similar dilemmas, with expensive overseas buys counter-posed against indigenous alternatives --- whether to buy more Russian T-90 tanks or expedite the DRDO’s Future Main Battle Tank (FMBT) project that has languished for years; whether to buy more Russian armoured carriers or fast track the Future Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV) that India’s defence industry is to develop. For critically-needed artillery guns, the dilemma is whether to approach the international arms bazaar, or sponsor industry-led consortia to develop the guns in India, while confining overseas purchases to high-tech purchases like the ultralight howitzer (ULH) that require materials and engineering technologies currently out of reach for us. In each case the MoD faces temptation to seal a quick overseas deal; but also has the opportunity to build genuine, long-term defence capability through an indigenous product that slashes life-cycle costs to obtain “bang for the buck”.
The policy framework for going swadeshi already exists. Ironically it was created by the Antony MoD, which then lacked the political courage to implement its own policies. The Defence Procurement Procedure of 2013 explicitly states that indigenous development and manufacture is the default option. There is a Defence Production Policy to encourage manufacture. More policy initiatives are needed, especially in reducing duties and tariffs for domestic industry that, incredibly, pays higher taxes for building weaponry in India than foreign vendors pay for importing it fully built. The domestic industry must be protected against variation in foreign exchange rates; export of defence equipment must be not just permitted, but actively encouraged; and foreign direct investment in defence must be automatically allowed up to 49 per cent.

Broadsword: Promoting “swadeshi” in defence
 
Mki's are heavy weight fighters... LCA light weight........ we need some medium weight fighters and rafale is the best chance.
 
and wait for another 30 years!


Well, that;s our fault. We voted a BS govt into power numerous times over and over again. So what does that make us? Buying these new toys is unsustainable. Gripen was the best bang for the buck deal. We would have been able to incorporate much tech into the domestic industry. Rafael is just a shiny toy that will never see action. When the whole world ignores it and we jump into it......questions should be raised.
 
Mki's are heavy weight fighters... LCA light weight........ we need some medium weight fighters and rafale is the best chance.


What about adding some MiG29? I agree Rafale is best choice, But if focus will given to LCA, The Gap will be filled ...

and wait for another 30 years!


If defense procurement department become noncorrupt and pragmatic, the time can be reduced to 15 years... Some time the delay is done delebrately so that the Dalali keep coming,....

Can u imagine a Person walk in into Army chief cabin and offered him bribe for Tatra deal? Can u believe in which country such thing happen?
 
We need a medium weight 4.5 gen fighter until the 5th gen medium weight fighters comes up in IAF. Either Rafale or Typhoon fits the bill.
 
Stop wasting money.....put it into fast tracking AMCA and Tejas....

And wait for how many more years ?

AMCA is a looong way to go and everything but a priority. We have so much to learn for our aviation industry and the Rafale deal will give us not only technology but also experience in building the most advanced 4.5 gen fighter.

And concerning the Tejas, its a different class of fighter, that lacks too many features and specs that the Rafale has.

What about adding some MiG29? I agree Rafale is best choice, But if focus will given to LCA, The Gap will be filled ...

I think you are referring to the Mig 35s?

Those are good fighters, but our Mig 29UPGs are similar to them in many aspects, they are inferior to the Rafale (see the IAF trials) and they won`t give us new technology (we already got access to Russia`s best tech) nor will it give us the same invaluable experience if we start building Rafales at home!
 
I strongly disagree with Mr. Shukla.

We do need Rafael, we need to have mix of low-high end fighters with decent numbers of MRCAs

Tejas is point defense fighter intended to replace MiG 21s while Rafale is MCA with decent SEAD capability, decent range and multirole capacity.

Tejas can be supplement not an option for Rafael.
 
Mki's are heavy weight fighters... LCA light weight........ we need some medium weight fighters and rafale is the best chance.

Medium category was IAF spinoff to put Sukhoi's out of contention. The entire world classifies fighter as single engine and twin engine. Now we actually don't need Rafale. All these deep strike mission is for someone who is alien to defense world. In actuality, with 2-3 precision guided weapon under it's belly, even radar's of 1980's era can track fighters and will bring it down.

Borders of China are heavily defended and if you think that Rafale can be used in deep strike mission, then it is no more than stupidity. Cruise missiles are ideal for this.

IAF's squadron strength is falling and the need is to add few squadron as stop gap measure till Tejas mk2 matures. The fighter don't have to be Rafale. If possible just induct 2 squadron of Rafale or 2-3 squadron of updated Mig 29/35
 
And wait for how many more years ?

AMCA is a looong way to go and everything but a priority. We have so much to learn for our aviation industry and the Rafale deal will give us not only technology but also experience in building the most advanced 4.5 gen fighter.

And concerning the Tejas, its a different class of fighter, that lacks too many features and specs that the Rafale has.



I think you are referring to the Mig 35s?

Those are good fighters, but our Mig 29UPGs are similar to them in many aspects, they are inferior to the Rafale (see the IAF trials) and they won`t give us new technology (we already got access to Russia`s best tech) nor will it give us the same invaluable experience if we start building Rafales at home!

Exactly..................

Medium category was IAF spinoff to put Sukhoi's out of contention. The entire world classifies fighter as single engine and twin engine. Now we actually don't need Rafale. All these deep strike mission is for someone who is alien to defense world. In actuality, with 2-3 precision guided weapon under it's belly, even radar's of 1980's era can track fighters and will bring it down.

Borders of China are heavily defended and if you think that Rafale can be used in deep strike mission, then it is no more than stupidity. Cruise missiles are ideal for this.

IAF's squadron strength is falling and the need is to add few squadron as stop gap measure till Tejas mk2 matures. The fighter don't have to be Rafale. If possible just induct 2 squadron of Rafale or 2-3 squadron of updated Mig 29/35

Experts call MiG 35 as bigger,more maintenance intensive MiG 29.

Besides can it be guaranteed we will not face spare problems like we faced earlier if we buy Mig 35?

Also we cant be too dependent on Russians, we need diversification.
 
This is sensible journalism from him, it is totally stupid to invest in a different fleet when your existing fleet is grappling with supportability issues.He is true when he says improving servicability will be a cost effective near term solution to keep up active fleet strength.
Also when people keep talking about how we need heavy,medium and light fighters ,show us one airforce in the world that has all three types of fighters.The medium weight category was a development of MRCA which was for lighter fighters(mirage-2000 class).
IAF should speed up LCA testing and induct in numbers if it is concerned about sqd strength,expensive rafales are not going to help you with your numbers.
 
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