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What's your own thoughts about the topic?Stay on topic and stay nice please.
1.7 billion is alot of money for a big target. Tanks could be modernized, better gear for troops, buy more uav's etc.. No need for lhd based on the information I have but it does have a big bonus effect for turkeys geopolitical power because it almost brings you to the level of some european countries regarding power projection. So lpd + a400m is not bad. Also T-129 atak fits in a400m, and c130 so that is a another bonus for power projection. In the long term you may need to protect your overseas resources from rebels and other hostile groups.What's your own thoughts about the topic?
I am so so about it.
1.7 billion is alot of money for a big target. Tanks could be modernized, better gear for troops, buy more uav's etc.. No need for lhd based on the information I have but it does have a big bonus effect for turkeys geopolitical power because it almost brings you to the level of some european countries regarding power projection. So lpd + a400m is not bad. Also T-129 atak fits in a400m, and c130 so that is a another bonus for power projection. In the long term you may need to protect your overseas resources from rebels and other hostile groups.
Another plus for lhd is that Turkey could become more active in africa. Right now if I was an african country I would rather have a country that can project power have control of my resources over a country like turkey that cant project power and protect those assets.So the lhd would allow turkey to become a real player in africa which is resource rich.
Also you could compete with gulf arab countries and egypt in north africa. Lhd would give a big prestige bonus for turkey, people in middle east, central asia, and balkans will see turkey as a legit power if they see footage of jets taking off from a turkish aircraft carrier. They will see their governments as weak and incompetent.
Overall though im not to hot about the project because the uses are all hypothetical.
The way I look at these types of moves is like this: Does Turkey want to be a small country or does Turkey want to become a real power? What did our ancestors choose? We can look at historical maps and find out pretty quickly.
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So the big question is does Turkey need the LHD it is planning to procure?
Guys don't look only as "power projection". Today Turkish Naval Forces have an area of effect from the whole Mediterranean to Western Indian Ocean. We have needed that since 2000. But after the 1999 they have cancelled numerous naval projects. To make it more clear;
1- To support our foreign policy. As you know Turkey is expanding in Africa and South Asia.
2- Somalia and Libya were well examples about the current threat to Turkish personnel in overseas.
3- Since decades TNF is a brown-water navy with water capabilities. Navy stated clearly that they'll improve that capability.
4- It is not a "stupid" project. We need that ASAP.
5- Navy has intentions to have F-35B on board. It's not planned yet, but it's expected.
Any questions, shoot it.
Got a couple of questions, when you say western Indian Ocean, can a LHD or an A/C for that matter, go through the Suez Canal? Or does it have to go around the Cape?
Since Turkey is NATO, don't you have allies up and down the Mediterranean? How do you see an A/C enhancing your footprint?
The way I look at these types of moves is like this: Does Turkey want to be a small country or does Turkey want to become a real power? What did our ancestors choose? We can look at historical maps and find out pretty quickly.
Read 3 pages of post, I am surprise no one, I mean NO ONE see Juan Carlos as they really are, a LHD.
We got the same question some years back when someone ask me, "hey, Why US needed 8 mini-Carrier (aka LHD/LHA) when they have 9 Fleet Carriers."
The answer is simple, you should never treat a LHD a carrier, even if they take on fighter/bomber and perform the same job (CAP/S&R/Fighter Escort) as a standard flat-top. Simply because, flat-top cannot launch seaborne assault.
Yes, that's nice to launch F-35 or even host international naval regatta. problem is, people fail to see what value LHD like Juan Carlos is, that's they are LHD. If you want to open a seaborne front, you will need a LHD. People should see carrier capability as a plus.
So, the answer is, would Juan Carlos worth the role of LHD for turkey? I am not Turkish so I can't tell you. But they worth more than just a mini-carrier when you forward deploy those asset. You guys need to think about that when you try to figure out this question
Turks fought in the last Korean war. Koreans I have spoken to said sooner or later a new Korean war will break out. It is not such an odd scenario. Probably China won't stay still like last time. Also tentions with Japan are growing. We could see a regional war breaking out there.
So in a nutshell, its a multi-purpose ship used for all kinds of shitt.Read 3 pages of post, I am surprise no one, I mean NO ONE see Juan Carlos as they really are, a LHD.
We got the same question some years back when someone ask me, "hey, Why US needed 8 mini-Carrier (aka LHD/LHA) when they have 9 Fleet Carriers."
The answer is simple, you should never treat a LHD a carrier, even if they take on fighter/bomber and perform the same job (CAP/S&R/Fighter Escort) as a standard flat-top. Simply because, flat-top cannot launch seaborne assault.
Yes, that's nice to launch F-35 or even host international naval regatta. problem is, people fail to see what value LHD like Juan Carlos is, that's they are LHD. If you want to open a seaborne front, you will need a LHD. People should see carrier capability as a plus.
So, the answer is, would Juan Carlos worth the role of LHD for turkey? I am not Turkish so I can't tell you. But they worth more than just a mini-carrier when you forward deploy those asset. You guys need to think about that when you try to figure out this question
A "War" with betweens North and South is not gonna happen, most koreans would actually agree with this. You dont need bloodshed or armies to win wars, they can be won multiple ways. The situation between South and North korean is nothing more then a waiting game. I advice you to look into some interesting videos and korean forums to educate yourself, no offence intended.
As for China... come on they wont go to war over some rock... (*suddenly remembers kardak). Welp oke maybe that one is plausable. However its non of our buseniss what happens between the two, we dont really have a say in the mather.
So in a nutshell, its a multi-purpose ship used for all kinds of shitt.
According to Arda Mevlutoglu aka orko_8 it will have a ski-jump. check his twitter.Our LHD won't have a ski-jump and forward elevator...so it's still vague that how can this ship serve as a Carrier.... it seems to me that our people are just excited about the possibility of having something like a carrier.