Does a Country's spending on Weapons make it a Global Military Power ?

[MMM-E]

Does a Country's spending on Weapons make it a Global Military Power ?

TURKEY has the Middle East's strongest military but Saudi Arabia spends 7 times as much on arms

Saudi Arabia has the 3rd biggest defense spending in the World after The US and China

so Country's spending on weapons doesnt make it a global military power ..... the best example is Saudia Arabia

$6 billion for 4 MMSC ( Saudi Arabia )
$6 billion for 4 MILGEM-I class stealth Frigates and 4 TF-2000 class Destroyers ( Turkey ) ... thanks to indigenous Naval Industry



Saudi Arabia buys 4 MMSC for $6 billion including training , spare parts and other logistical items

-- BAE Systems Bofors 57mm main gun
-- 8x MK41 VLS cells placed forward ahead of the bridge
-- Raytheon SeaRAM launcher on top of the helicopter hangar
-- 8x Harpoon anti-ship missiles
-- 2x Nexter Narwhal 20mm remote weapon stations
-- COMBATSS-21 combat management system
-- TRS-4D AESA Radar
-- Argon ST WBR-2000 Electronic Support Measure

Turkey produce 4 MILGEM-I class stealth Frigates for $1,5 billion

Length : 113m
Displacement : 3000 tons
Range : 6000 nm
Speed : 29 knots

GENESIS Combat Management System
250 km SMART-S mk2 search Radar
TBT-01 Yakamoz Sonar
Aselsan ARES-2N Electronic Warfare System
Aselsan HIZIR Torpedo counter measure System
16 cells MK-41 VLS

-- 1 x 76 mm Oto Melera Super Rapid Gun ( 40 km )
-- 16 x ATMACA Anti ship Missiles ( 220+ km )
-- 64 x ESSM Air Defense Missiles ( 50 km )
-- 1 x Phalanx Mk-15 Blok 1B CIWS
-- 6 x Mk 46 Mod 5 Torpedos
-- 2 x 25 mm Aselsan STOP Machine Gun Platforms
-- 1 x Sikorsky S70 Seahawk ASW Helicopter

Turkey develops 4 TF-2000 class Destroyers for $4 billion

Length : 150 m
Displacement : 7000 tons
Speed : 29 knots

GENESIS Combat Management System
CAFRAD AESA Radar ( 450km )
Aselsan ARES-2N Electronic Warfare System
Aselsan HIZIR Torpedo counter measure System
Aselsan HIZIR-LFAS Low Frequency Towed Active Sonar

48 cells VLS

1 x 127 mm Oto Melara Naval Gun ( 120 km )
16 x ATMACA Anti ship Missiles ( 220+km )
HISAR-O Air Defense Missile
SIPER long range Air Defense Missile
GEZGIN Naval Cruise Missile
RUM-139 VL ASROC
35mm KORKUT-D CIWS
25 mm Aselsan STAMP
ORKA Lightweight Torpedo
Sikorsky S-70B Seahawk Helicopter

 

[Dante80]

Does a Country's spending on Weapons make it a Global Military Power ?

No. Global military powers are defined by their ability to project force and advance their interests...globally.

Neither Turkey nor Saudi Arabia can be defined as such.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

A country with a defence industry does not need to show off her capabilities for her multi-angle interests, it is already done in bases founded on the request of the hosting countries. (i.e. Southern Cyprus or Greece; Qatar, Somalia etc.)

In the chart is not seen who has the defence industry, therefore misleading.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

Only united states and to some extend russia and uk are truly "Global powers" china will be soon. No other nation can fit the label of Global.

Especially not small players like saudi arabia. If it comes to it i doubt saudi arabia can even protect its own borders. They will need external help from pakistan turkey or usa.

 

[Dante80]

A country with a defence industry does not need to show off her capabilities for her multi-angle interests, it is already done in bases founded on the request of the hosting countries. (i.e. Southern Cyprus or Greece; Qatar, Somalia etc.)

Local defense industry is not a factor either, honestly speaking.

Take for example, North Korea. It is a nuclear power, has the 4th biggest standing army in the world, the biggest reserve military force in the world and an indigenous defense industry that constructs anything and everything, up to Space Launch Vehicles.

Would you consider N. Korea to be a Global Military Power?

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

Local defense industry is not a factor either, honestly speaking.

Take for example, North Korea. It is a nuclear power, has the 4th biggest standing army in the world, the biggest reserve military force in the world and an indigenous defense industry that constructs anything and everything, up to Space Launch Vehicles.

Would you consider N. Korea to be a Global Military Power?

Comparing the countries with bases in Southern Cyprus, Greece, Somalia and Qatar with N.Korea is neither question nor an argument; but clue about your intelligence.

However, I buy it for the sake of debate now; and put forward the Israel answer to your ''argument''.

Let me see your point, please.

 

[Dante80]

Comparing the countries with bases in Southern Cyprus, Greece, Somalia and Qatar with N.Korea is neither question nor an argument; but clue about your intelligence.

However, I buy it for the sake of debate now; and put forward the Israel answer to your ''argument''.

Let me see your point, please.

As you have seen in my post, I limited my argument to the identifier you brought up about indigenous defense industry.

With regards to Israel, no, it is not identified as a global military power.

It goes without saying that powers with military assets, logistic support and ease of operations in other countries also have increased force projection, at least as far as said countries are involved.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

As you have seen in my post, I limited my argument to the identifier you brought up about indigenous defense industry.

With regards to Israel, no, it is not identified as a global military power.

It goes without saying that powers with military assets, logistic support and ease of operations in other countries also have increased force projection, at least as far as said countries are involved.

Apparently, You invite me into egg-chicken paradox; but also try to describe the egg and chicken dependent on your scenario/stance.

Next time.

 

[Dante80]

Thank you kindly for the insight.

 

[MMM-E]

Turkish military bases in overseas
also if necessary Turkey can use ports in Pakistan to operate in Indian and Pacific Ocean

Turkey has soft power in Balkans , in the Middle East , Part of Africa , Caucasia and Central Asia ( from Bosnia to China )




Turkish Navy plans to own 2 Amphibious Assault Ships in 2020s and Aircraft Carrier in 2030s for Power projection to Turkish Military Bases in Qatar , Sudan , Somali and many more in the future

TCG ANADOLU Amphibious Assault Ship will be launched in the first half of 2019 and will be delivered to the Turkish Navy in the last quarter of 2020

Length : 232 m
Displacement : 27400 tons
Range : 9000 nm
Speed : 21 knots

-- 6 F-35B Fighter Jets
-- 4 T-129 Attack Helicopters
-- 8 CH-47F Chinook Helicopters
-- 2 S-70B Seahawk ASW Helicopters

or 12-16 F-35B Fighter Jets in Aircraft Carrier Mode

Turkey plans to have $2-2,5 trillion of GDP nominal and over $6 trillion GDP PPP in 2030s

Turkey develops over 600 military projects including
5th gen Fighter Jet
Stealth UCAV
Attack and Utility Helicopters
Long range Ballistic and Cruise Missiles
Air Defense Systems with anti ballistic missile capability
Electromagnetic Railgun and high energy LASER Weapon
Advanced Electronic Warfare Systems and AESA Radars
Frigates
Destroyer
AIP Submarine
Engines for Tank , Helicopters , Fighter Jet , Warships


in 2030s Turkey will become global defense industrial complex

 

[Deliorman]

A Global Military power can be considered a country with a possible reach in any part of the globe. The only country which is a real Global power and can project it’s force in ANY part of the world is America. I talk about hundreds of bases all around the globe and a Navy and Air Force which are unmatchable and can be a threat against every country on the globe.

Even Russia with it’s big Military power is not able to do that because it doesn’t have the overseas military presence Americans have. They don’t even have a proper Aircraft carrier. All that limits them to Eurasia.

Great Britain and France are probably the only countries in the world which come close to America when it comes to global outreach and that is thanks to all of their overseas territories and military bases. Yet they are much smaller countries than America with much smaller militaries and economies so they don’t really have the capacity to be a real threath against a strong country all by themselves.

ps Turkey doesn’t have the potential to be a global power the way America is. It has the potential to be a strong player in Eastern Europe, Central and Western Asia and North Africa but that’s it.

 

[MMM-E]

Turkey doesnt need to reach in any part of the globe ,,,
Turkey needs to reach all Islamic World ( in Balkans , Mediterranean , North Africa , East Africa , all Middle East , Central Asia , Indian Ocean , Pakistan , Malaysia , Indonesia , Myanmar )

and in 2030s Turkish Armed Forces will have the potential to reach all Islamic World
and Turkey will become global defense industrial complex

 

[CAN_TR]

Turkey doesnt need to reach in any part of the globe ,,,
Turkey needs to reach all Islamic World ( in Balkans , Mediterranean , North Africa , East Africa , all Middle East , Central Asia , Indian Ocean , Pakistan , Malaysia , Indonesia , Myanmar )

and in 2030s Turkish Armed Forces will have the potential to reach all Islamic World
and Turkey will become global defense industrial complex

Why does Turkey need to reach Islamic World for example Indonesia?

 

[MMM-E]

Why does Turkey need to reach Islamic World for example Indonesia?

Ottoman Empire sent navy to Indonesia to save innocent muslims from savage christian Portugal

If Turkish Navy had power projection then We would help unarmed innocent muslims in ARAKAN Myanmar who were slaughtered by Buddhist savagery