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@Horus - mention that "Zia threatened India with nuclear and India chickened out".

About that - I have not sources (still reading through) on what conversation actually took place, but you should be mindful that there will always be a "spin" given to the facts when they are sent out for the general masses to digest. Dont you think a nuclear threat made to India in such a way would be made public?
 
Lets begin by answering this question.
Why does the Indian Army need 'Strike Corps'?
Counter question: Why does Pakistan need a strike corps?

Secondly, Indian Strike Corps are for a riposte to any Pakistani first strike.
Why does the IAF maintain majority of its Air Superiority and Ground Attack assets at its 30 FABs?
See answer above.
Why does IN need Aircraft Carriers which are essentially power projection weapon?
India needs a blue water navy for the classical doctrine of maritime power or sea control - first articulated by Captain Alfred Thayer Mahan in the 1890s.

India needs to control the Indian Ocean which is the primary focus for its security. Controlling the Arabian Sea is a secondary objective. It is geared to perform operations ranging from distant credible sea denial over large areas of the Indian Ocean to distant sea control in selected areas of the Indian Ocean to protect economic interests and mercantile traffic.

Who started the 1947 war in Kashmir? Pakistani troops and Lashkars had captured most of Kashmir and came near to taking Srinagar, but were thrown back by the Indian Army to where the LoC generally runs now.

Who started the 1965 war for capturing Kashmir? Refer Operations Gibralter and Grand Slam which came a cropper and failed.

Who started the 1971 war? The PAF launched a pre-emptive strike on IAF bases on 3 December 1971. The attack was modeled on the Israeli Air Force's Op Focus during the Six Day War, and intended to neutralize the IAF planes on the ground. The strike was seen by India as an open act of unprovoked aggression. This marked the official start of the 1971 Indo-Pak war.

Who started the Kargil skirmish which was christened Op Badr? The gang of four Pakistani generals - General Musharraf, Aziz Khan, Mahmood Ahmad and Shahid Aziz. Needless to say, it ended in disaster for Pakistan.

Who is waging a proxy war against India since the past three decades? Pakistan's 'strategic assets', controlled, funded, equipped and trained by the Pak Establishment.

Now do you see the light? You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out who has been the aggressor and who has an offensive doctrine. The only problem is that you guys are always living in a world of denial falling hook line and sinker for the propaganda spewed out by your ISPR and the Mullah brigade who've been fooling the public for decades.
 
@levina
India's defensive posture does get a "bad rap" in the sense India wants to project power (read - Air bases in outside India, Aircraft Carriers). I think I can make sense of the need for such power projection (hostile neighbourhood) but that slowly blurs the difference between a "defensive" armed force and an "offensive" armed force.
 
Indeed the situation was tense.
But it all began when Pakistan misunderstood India's exercise to be an attack. And nowhere have you proved that India was being offensive.
Had India been offensive then NO Pakistani Gen would've visited India..it would 've ended in another war.

You are in a denial mode.

"Allow me to explain what happened .Behramnam in the article says that Gen Ziaul Haq arrived in Delhi for cricket match as a spectator without any invitation. At the time Rajiv Gandhi was not ready to meet him at the airport. Indian troops were waiting for the PM’s orders on the Rajasthan sector to invade into Pakistani territory. In such situation it was improper to meet General Ziaul-Haq. But opposition leaders and cabinet members were of the view that if the Pakistani leader had arrived in Delhi without any invitation, (from here he had to depart for Chennai for cricket match), it would be against diplomatic values not to meet him and would cause misunderstanding about Indian leadership on international level.

So Rajiv Gandhi dressed up to go to Delhi airport; he coldly shook hands with Gen Zia without making any eye contact. Rajeev said that the General had to go to Chennai for cricket match and asked the adviser to accompany him and take care of him. He then said that Zia was a strong man as he had been insulted by Rajiv Gandhi but kept smiling. Before departure for Chennai General Ziaul-Haq while saying good bye to Gandhi very politely told him to attack Pakistan if he wanted to but told him in no uncertain language that it would be a nuclear war not the conventional war and the world would remember them!

Though there were cold drops of perspiration on Gandhi’s forehead he tried to remain calm. The advisor goes on to say that he felt the hair on his back rise, at that moment Gen Ziaul-Haq looked like a dangerous man, his face was stern and his eyes showed that he would do whatever he was saying no matter if the whole subcontinent burnt to ashes in a nuclear war. He then turned around, pasted a smile on his face and met the other delegates, only Rajeev Gandhi and the advisor knew what had just passed the threat that Gen Zia had made seemed very real!"

Rajiv Gandhi’s special adviser ‘Behramnam’

A great statesman

The doctrine, known as Cold Start, deviated from the defence posture that India’s military had employed since independence in 1947. “The goal of this limited war doctrine is to establish the capacity to launch a retaliatory conventional strike against Pakistan that would inflict significant harm on the Pakistan Army before the international community could intercede, and at the same time, pursue narrow enough aims to deny Islamabad a justification to escalate the clash to the nuclear level."

The above from " Ladwig, Walter (Winter 2007–08). "A Cold Start for Hot Wars?: The Indian Army's New Limited War Doctrine". International Security 32 (3): pp. 158–190, 159. doi:10.1162/isec.2008.32.3.158."

key word: "Retaliatory" posture

Which is a very 'relative' term.
 
@levina
India's defensive posture does get a "bad rap" in the sense India wants to project power (read - Air bases in outside India, Aircraft Carriers). I think I can make sense of the need for such power projection (hostile neighbourhood) but that slowly blurs the difference between a "defensive" armed force and an "offensive" armed force.
Does being defensive mean that India is weak?
I guess India wants to avoid peccadilloes by being offensive.
You are in a denial mode.

"Allow me to explain what happened .Behramnam in the article says that Gen Ziaul Haq arrived in Delhi for cricket match as a spectator without any invitation. At the time Rajiv Gandhi was not ready to meet him at the airport. Indian troops were waiting for the PM’s orders on the Rajasthan sector to invade into Pakistani territory. In such situation it was improper to meet General Ziaul-Haq. But opposition leaders and cabinet members were of the view that if the Pakistani leader had arrived in Delhi without any invitation, (from here he had to depart for Chennai for cricket match), it would be against diplomatic values not to meet him and would cause misunderstanding about Indian leadership on international level.

So Rajiv Gandhi dressed up to go to Delhi airport; he coldly shook hands with Gen Zia without making any eye contact. Rajeev said that the General had to go to Chennai for cricket match and asked the adviser to accompany him and take care of him. He then said that Zia was a strong man as he had been insulted by Rajiv Gandhi but kept smiling. Before departure for Chennai General Ziaul-Haq while saying good bye to Gandhi very politely told him to attack Pakistan if he wanted to but told him in no uncertain language that it would be a nuclear war not the conventional war and the world would remember them!

Though there were cold drops of perspiration on Gandhi’s forehead he tried to remain calm. The advisor goes on to say that he felt the hair on his back rise, at that moment Gen Ziaul-Haq looked like a dangerous man, his face was stern and his eyes showed that he would do whatever he was saying no matter if the whole subcontinent burnt to ashes in a nuclear war. He then turned around, pasted a smile on his face and met the other delegates, only Rajeev Gandhi and the advisor knew what had just passed the threat that Gen Zia had made seemed very real!"

Rajiv Gandhi’s special adviser ‘Behramnam’

A great statesman
Find me an original source to that article because this link takes me to a site which belongs to a Pakistani newspaper. And frankly the extract sounded as if it was a drama.
I have produced neutral sources as in which dont belong to Indian sites and ergo I'm expecting the same from you.


Horus said:
Which is a very 'relative' term.
Now you're being in a denial mode.
 
Counter question: Why does Pakistan need a strike corps?

Secondly, Indian Strike Corps are for a riposte to any Pakistani first strike.

See answer above.

Pakistan at this moment doesn't have any Strike Corps.

India needs a blue water navy for the classical doctrine of maritime power or sea control - first articulated by Captain Alfred Thayer Mahan in the 1890s.

India needs to control the Indian Ocean which is the primary focus for its security. Controlling the Arabian Sea is a secondary objective. It is geared to perform operations ranging from distant credible sea denial over large areas of the Indian Ocean to distant sea control in selected areas of the Indian Ocean to protect economic interests and mercantile traffic.

Which is an offensive posture by definition.

Who started the 1947 war in Kashmir? Pakistani troops and Lashkars had captured most of Kashmir and came near to taking Srinagar, but were thrown back by the Indian Army to where the LoC generally runs now.

Tribal Invasion is a fabricated myth Hindu India created to occupy Muslim lands.

The myth of Tribal Invasion - I

The reality is shrouded under lies and half truths. To understand the truth we need to seek help from history, comments Mian Mianzoor Ahmad

Distortion of history leads to the distortion of the nations. Same has been done with the State of Jammu Kashmir right from uprising of 1931, changing of Muslim Conference into National Conference, genocide of Muslims in Jammu Province, invasion of India on 27th October, 1947 and many more. Here I would like to demystify the myth regarding tribal invasion which was actually Poonch rebellion against Dogra rule. In World War II, of the 71,667 citizens of the State of Jammu Kashmir who served in the British Indian forces, 60,402 were Muslims. This has been cited by Josef Korbel in ‘Danger in Kashmir’ (p-55). But of these Muslims, majority was from Poonch and Mirpur.

After the war, Hari Singh (the ruler of the State at that time) fearing lest the Poonchies and Mirpuries rise against his authority after British withdrawal issued an order in July 1947 asking them to hand over whatever firearms and ammunition they had to the state authorities. Some Muslims of these areas even complied with the order but found themselves betrayed when discovered that the weapons confiscated from them turning up in the hands of their non-Muslim neighbors ——— Hindu and Sikh which constituted about 10% of the total inhabitants of that area.
The Muslims were angered and therefore sought fresh weapons from the tribes of the North-West Frontier who were well known for their manufacture of arms resulting a deep relation between the two regions which has been further testified by Victoria Schofield in her book ‘Kashmir in Conflict : India, Pakistan and the Unending War’. “This laid the basis for direct contact between the members of the Poonch resistance and the tribesman who lived in the strip of mountainous ‘tribal’ territory bordering Pakistan and Afghanistan” (p-41)

Besides this, the Muslims of the Poonch and Mirpur found themselves under duress of high taxes imposed by Hari Singh in order to regain control of these areas. “There was a tax on every hearth and every window. Every cow, buffalo and sheep was taxed and even every wife,” writes Richard Symonds who served with a group of British Quakers in Punjab as quoted by Josef Korbel in ‘Danger in Kashmir’ (p-68) Another event of importance that occurred in the State the same month was that the General Council of All Jammu Kashmir Muslim Conference passed a resolution on 19 July 1947 to the effect that,——— on the basis of geographical, economic, linguistic, cultural and religious considerations the accession of the State to Pakistan is indispensable because more than 80% of State’s population are Musalmans (Muslims) and all the major rivers of Pakistan flowing through the Punjab have their origin in Kashmir and the people of the State are strongly linked with Pakistan by dint of their religion, culture and economics. Therefore, it is imperative that accession of State be accomplished with Pakistan.

On 12th August 1949, Cyril Radcliffe handed over final copies of Bengal and Punjab boundary awards to Mountbatten who announced the boundaries on 17th August 1947, two days after independence of India and Pakistan and the termination of the British paramountancy. With a delayed announcement, millions of people found themselves on the wrong side of the border. August 18, 1947 was Eid Day, a day of festivities for Muslims which however saw them victims of wholesale death, loot, massacre, arson, rape, abduction at the hand of Hindu and Sikh extremists. Seeing better part of Gurdaspur District i,e two Muslim dominated tehsils, Gurdaspur and Batala, and a small portion of Shakargarh tehsil awarded to India, Muslims of the State of Jammu Kashmir, of Jammu division in particular for their proximity to the area in question, suspected a rat in the pack and grew restless, Muslims of Poonch and Mirpur the more so. The Muslims denounced Hari Singh’s right to rule the State and demanded that Jammu Kashmir should be federated to Pakistan but Dogra forces opened indiscriminate fire killing and wounding scores of peaceful demonstrators.

In Jammu city and its adjoining parts, Hari Singh’s government launched an ethnic cleansing operation against Muslims in which Dogra Army personnel took a vigorous part actively assisted by Hindu and Sikh extremists —— both local and those imported from the East Punjab. The Hari Singh was undertaking a systematic purge of Muslims. “Certain it is that the Hari Singh government was using its Dogra troops to terrorize many Muslim villages in the neighborhood of Jammu,” writes Horace Alexander in his book ‘Kashmir’ (p-7). “Later in the year, I myself saw villages near Jammu that had been completely gutted.”

Dogra forces had wrought havoc on Muslims of the State of Jammu Kashmir and those of Jammu region particularly. Ian Stephens, editor of The Statesman (Calcutta) noted in his book ‘Pakistan’ that “unlike every part of the State, Hindu and Sikhs slightly out-numbered Muslims and within a period of about 11 weeks, starting in August, systematic savageries ——— practically eliminated the entire Muslim element in the population, amounting to 5,00,000 people. About 2, 00,000 just disappeared, remaining untraceable, having presumably been butchered.” (p-200). On 10th October 1947, London Times gave news that “in one area 2, 37,000 Muslims were wiped out in a well conceived manner except those people who escaped to Pakistan along the border. This massacre of Muslims was done by Dogra forces of the State and Hari Singh was himself guiding (the operation).” This has been further authenticated by a renowned historian, Professor Harry Alastair Lamb in his book “Kashmir: A Disputed Legacy’, “These atrocities had been perpetrated not only by uncontrolled bands of hooligans but also by organized units of the Hari Singh army of police”. (p-123)

In retaliation of this large-scale massacre, arson, loot, rape and abduction of Muslim women at the hands of Hindu and Sikh extremists facilitated by Dogra Army, Muslim youths under the leadership of Sardar Mohammad Ibraheem Khan organized a strong army of about 50,000 in number. They got arms from here and there and started fighting the Hari Singh Dogra Army. Incidentally, this Sardar Mohammad Ibraheem Khan of Poonch was an elected Muslims Conference member of Praja Sabha who narrowly escaped arrest in Srinagar and flew secretly to Pakistan. Here he set in Muree to collect weapons and ammunition for Poonchies and Mirpuries so that they could use them in their struggle against Dogra troops.

At Muree one Khursheed Anwar, an Ex-major of British Indian Army, joined him. He was a cosmopolitan and knew Kashmir, Punjab, North-West Frontier Province (NWFP) and the tribal area very well. Sardar Muhammad Ibraheem now hoped to get weapons through him from Ilaqa Ghair where the Pakhtuns manufactured them in their own workshops.
Major Khursheed succeeded not only arranging weapons but also mustered a few dozen pathan volunteers also. They came to help out their brethren in Poonch as they had old ties with each other. Many of them were themselves descendants of pathans who had settled there during Durrani supremacy over Poonch and Kashmir.

Who started the 1965 war for capturing Kashmir? Refer Operations Gibralter and Grand Slam which came a cropper and failed.

Prime Minister Shastri Did after trying to change the status quo on Kashmir.

Who started the 1971 war? The PAF launched a pre-emptive strike on IAF bases on 3 December 1971. The attack was modeled on the Israeli Air Force's Op Focus during the Six Day War, and intended to neutralize the IAF planes on the ground. The strike was seen by India as an open act of unprovoked aggression. This marked the official start of the 1971 Indo-Pak war.

India was fueling insurgency in East Pakistan since 1960s by admission of your own Army Chief. Your General Sam Manekshaw is on record of saying that 'i had months in advance to plan'. Indian invasion had already begun. It didn't start with Op Changais khan as Indians try to peddle.

Who started the Kargil skirmish which was christened Op Badr? The gang of four Pakistani generals - General Musharraf, Aziz Khan, Mahmood Ahmad and Shahid Aziz. Needless to say, it ended in disaster for Pakistan.

Who is waging a proxy war against India since the past three decades? Pakistan's 'strategic assets', controlled, funded, equipped and trained by the Pak Establishment.

India is getting its response for its funding of terrorist proxies inside Pakistan. Thats just how it works.

Now do you see the light? You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out who has been the aggressor and who has an offensive doctrine. The only problem is that you guys are always living in a world of denial falling hook line and sinker for the propaganda spewed out by your ISPR and the Mullah brigade who've been fooling the public for decades.

No i only see an Indian ranting needlessly to prove his innocence.
 
"Allow me to explain what happened .Behramnam in the article says that Gen Ziaul Haq arrived in Delhi for cricket match as a spectator without any invitation.


What god-forsaken stupidity is this?

Without invitation? Huh!

Are you ignorant of the fact that even Head of states need visa to visit other countries? Zia could not hop over a plane and come to Delhi in order to watch a cricket match like it is his nani-ka-ghar.

In order for Zia to visit India, Pakistan has to request for A-1 diplomatic visa for Zia, providing which is on discretion of India.

If ZIa try to arrive unannounced, his plane would be shot down at border like that of any ariel intruder. And if India was planning war, it would simply say "**** off" to Zia when he pleads/apply for that visa.
 
Does being defensive mean that India is weak?
I guess India wants to avoid peccadilloes by being offensive.

Find me an original source to that article because this link takes me to a site which belongs to a Pakistani newspaper. And frankly the extract sounded as if it was a drama. I have produced neutral sources as in which dont belong to Indian sites and ergo I'm expecting the same from you.

‘If you drive us to the wall, we will use the bomb’

Sunday, November 04, 2007

- In December 1986, India launched the largest war game ever. Pakistan responded with a message of its own
The Indians had had enough. Rajiv Gandhi had a new and assertive army chief, Lieutenant General Krishnaswami Sundarji, who had been the first Indian strategist to war game a nuclear conflagration with Pakistan, in 1981. In the autumn of 1986, Sundarji recommended resorting to more forceful means to let Pakistan know New Delhi had reached its limit: a vast military exercise in Rajasthan, in which India’s tactical nuclear weapon would be manouevred into position along the border — a pot shot away from Pakistan. In December 1986, Rajiv Gandhi gave the go ahead and Sundarji launced the largest war game ever since on the subcontinent…

Zia immediately understood the message. Sundarji was viewed in Islamabad as a hawk, a general capable of persuading even a peacenik like Rajiv Gandhi to allow an exercise to become a reality… Knowing Pakistan’s armed forces were no match for India’s firepower, Zia decided to deliver a threat that would force India to back down. A.Q. Khan was to be the messenger and it should have been his finest hour. Zia asked Khan to arrange an interview that would play loudly in India, in which he would reveal just a little more of the secret work at KRL [Kahuta Research Laboratory] — in particular the state of readiness of his programme and Islamabad’s willingness to assemble and deliver a bomb should it be sufficiently provoked. But Khan had to remain ambiguous enough for Washington to continue funding Pakistan.

Khan approached Mushabid Hussain, a well-respected journalist and editor of The Muslim, an influential and pro-government daily. Mushahid Hussain could be relied upon to be discreet. Hussain was casting around for a journalist of suitable gravitas to conduct the interview when he received a telephone from over the border in India. An old friend and syndicated columnist of The Muslim, Kuldip Nayar, was on the line. The Indian journalist wanted a sponsor to get him over to Pakistan. Although Zia had not considered giving the story to an Indian, Nayar was exactly the kind of journalist that he needed… Torn between his cultural roots in Pakistan and the emancipation of being a Hindu living in India, Nayar had become a writer whose columns were syndicated across the subcontinent…

Nayar recalled how Mushahid Hussain had jumped at the chance to get him over to Pakistan. To his surprise, within 24 hours of the telephone call, he had a visa, a ticket and was on his way, arriving on 29 January, 1987. Hussain told Nayar he was taking him to meet A.Q. Khan. ‘I could not believe it. He was one of the most famous people in Asia and among the most infamous in India. There were two conditions: no tapes and no notes.’ Nayar consented and they drove to Khan’s house. Khan’s house was wood and stone with a sweeping veranda and a garden filled with brilliant red Dutch tulips. ‘I looked up and Khan was standing on the veranda. He waved and beckoned me up. He said, “I am a great fan of yours. I read your column regularly.”’

Henny [his wife] was waiting in the drawing room with a trolley laden with teacups and a large pineapple upside-down cake. Nayar recalled: ‘It was my favourite. I asked her how she knew. She smiled.’ The Khans were going to an awful lot of trouble to set him at ease. Nayar swung the conversation awkwardly to the subject of KRL. ‘I said that I had seen the road to Kahuta on the way in from the airport and surely the Indians have tried to get it down. Khan replied: “They have tried. But we rebuffed them. No foreigners have ever been inside.”’ Sensing he was getting nowhere, Nayar decided to rile Khan. ‘Suddenly I said, and I confess that this was a fiction, “Khan sahib, see, when I was coming over from Delhi to Islamabad I ran into Dr Raja Ramanna — I named one of the fathers of the Indian bomb. Ramanna asked, “Where are you going'” I said, “To Islamabad to meet with Dr Khan.” Ramanna said, “Don’t waste your time. They don’t have anything. No bomb, no men, no rationale.”’

Khan’s face fell. ‘This really hurt,’ Nayar recalled. He went off like a cooked mortar, banging the table with his fists and screaming, ‘“Tell them we have it. Tell them. Tell them.” I pressed on. “Khan Sahib, it is very easy to claim these things but you have not tested.” He jumped up. “You don’t have to test in the ground any more. You can test in the lab. Let me assure you, we have tested.” He was furious now. His face was purple. “We have it and we have enriched uranium. Weaponised the thing. Put it all together.” Mushahid looked dismayed. Now we were getting somewhere.’

Nayar poked and nudged. ‘I said, “If you have tested it would be a tremendous warning for India.” Khan stared at me coldly. He spoke very clearly. “Mr Nayar, if you ever drive us to the wall, we will use the bomb. You did it to us in East Bengal. We won’t waste time with conventional weapons. We will come straight out with it.”’ Nayar had his story and got out as quickly as he could…

As soon as he was back in India, Nayar called an old colleague in London, Shyam Bhatia, a journalist on the Observer. The paper was so worried about the ramifications of Khan’s alleged statement that it spent more than a month checking out Nayar and his story. Everything inched forwards until eventually, convinced that he was telling the truth, the Observer splashed with it, ‘Pakistan Has the A-Bomb’, on 1 March 1987, quoting Khan as saying: ‘What the CIA has been saying about our possessing the bomb is correct. They told us Pakistan could never produce and they doubted my capabilities, but they now know we have it.’ Kuldip Nayar was paid a miserly £350 for his scoop which raced around the globe.

Published with the permission of Penguin Books India;
Deception: Pakistan, the United States and the Global Nuclear Weapons Conspiracy;
By Adrian Levy and Catherine Scott-Clark; Penguin;


The Telegraph - Calcutta : 7days

Now you're being in a denial mode.

What? :blink:

Retaliatory is not a relative term. Neither is it ambiguous.

It is when no threshold of casus belli is clearly defined between belligerents.
 
Find me an original source to that article because this link takes me to a site which belongs to a Pakistani newspaper. And frankly the extract sounded as if it was a drama.
I have produced neutral sources as in which dont belong to Indian sites and ergo I'm expecting the same from you.
Google search lists only the Pakistani media outlets!
A search on India Today, reveals nothing!
Even the name "Behramnam" takes us to various Pakistani propaganda sites. (One is the Zaid Hamid website!)
OTOH, This gives a very different idea of the Macho-Man:
But as the air bristled with tough talk, the Pakistani cricket team arrived for its scheduled, months-long, series of matches with the Indian team. And almost as quickly as a fast pace bowler gets the ball to the stumps, the war-talk evaporated. Diplomats quickly signed an agreement under which both sides would pull back some troops from their shared frontier. The tension eased measureably.

Zia said Saturday that he had come in the same spirit.

"Cricket for peace is my mission," he quipped after arriving at Jaipur Airport from New Delhi, where he had dined Friday night with Indian Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi.
War Talk Evaporates on First Pitch : Zia's Cricket Diplomacy Gets High Score in India - Los Angeles Times
 
It is when no threshold of casus belli is clearly defined between belligerents.
It requires "a" casus belli, the threshold can be variable depending on the local factors (local according to the time frame as well). But as you mentioned = it does require a casus belli, however small or however large - makes it a "defensive" posture.
 
@levina

Madamji I dont understand why you are beating around the bush

Yes let us accept it frankly ;

1 India's Armed forces are MASSIVE in size and strength
(Dont go by the numbers on Wiki or the "official numbers " )

2 70 % of our Armed forces are on Pakistani border for deterrence purpose:enjoy:
That is why ever since 1990 When Kashmir issue became hot ; Pakistan has been
unable to intervene directly like in 1965 and has to go for Kargil like operations
which was a plea for global support and attention on Kashmir cause


And since cold start has been begun to be implemented
Many formations are now just 100 KM away from the border

3 Cold start is a reality which we will be able to put in practice soon

Kayani spells out threat posed by Indian doctrine - - DAWN.COM

4 Sundarji doctrine was also aggressive and offensive but NOT suited in a Nuclear environment

5 The only thing that is our problem is China
And the capabilities to ensure that the Chinese " keep away " when we are engaged
in a " brawl "with Pakistan

Once we develop adequate disuassive deterrence capabilities with respect to China ;
China will be deterred and will stay out
 
It requires "a" casus belli, the threshold can be variable depending on the local factors (local according to the time frame as well). But as you mentioned = it does require a casus belli, however small or however large - makes it a "defensive" posture.

And Casus Bellis are a common place in a proxy war so where does India's threshold lie?

@levina

Madamji I dont understand why you are beating around the bush

Yes let us accept it frankly ;

1 India's Armed forces are MASSIVE in size and strength
(Dont go by the numbers on Wiki or the "official numbers " )

2 70 % of our Armed forces are on Pakistani border for deterrence purpose:enjoy:
That is why ever since 1990 When Kashmir issue became hot ; Pakistan has been
unable to intervene directly like in 1965 and has to go for Kargil like operations
which was a plea for global support and attention on Kashmir cause


And since cold start has been begun to be implemented
Many formations are now just 100 KM away from the border

3 Cold start is a reality which we will be able to put in practice soon

Kayani spells out threat posed by Indian doctrine - - DAWN.COM

4 Sundarji doctrine was also aggressive and offensive but NOT suited in a Nuclear environment

5 The only thing that is our problem is China
And the capabilities to ensure that the Chinese " keep away " when we are engaged
in a " brawl "with Pakistan

Once we develop adequate disuassive deterrence capabilities with respect to China ;
China will be deterred and will stay out

Pakistan has a priorities target list in our scopes should India start a 'brawl'. We will not only respond in the battlefield decisively but also attack a list of targets we already have identified.
 
And Casus Bellis are a common place in a proxy war so where does India's threshold lie?



Pakistan has a priorities target list in our scopes should India start a 'brawl'. We will not only respond in the battlefield decisively but also attack a list of targets we already have identified.

Everything is fair in war You are free to do what you like :bunny:
 
And Casus Bellis are a common place in a proxy war so where does India's threshold lie?



Pakistan has a priorities target list in our scopes should India start a 'brawl'. We will not only respond in the battlefield decisively but also attack a list of targets we already have identified.
the matter here for India is to stop the proxy war, If I were India, I will slowly drop the threshold limits on the casus belli. going from status quo to lowering the tone and tenor. if I were Pakistan, I would not let that status quo go.

In the recent events where India has denied talking to Pakistan on pretext of Pak consulting separatist forces, India is doing a China of the early 2000s (remember they stopped talking to any one hosting the Dalai Lama?). The path being taken by India seems similar.
 
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