Derogatory Terms Associated With Islam

[Levina]

What is this 'love Jihad'? This is a derogatory term coined by religiously fanatic Hindu party BJP; why is this being allowed to be tagged with each and every thread, which has something to do with conversion (force or not is another issue)? The same term has also been used previously in threads on teen sex scandal in UK etc.

1. Social issues associated with two partners following different religions are very obvious, especially in non-Eurpean societies where people prefer to live in close association with their families. It is not unnatural for one partner to ask the other to convert to his/her religion (which religion is not my point of concern) purely to avoid social consequences. Force conversion has little (or nothing) to do with the religion but of macho behavior of men in male-dominated societies. It is not about a particular religion i.e. Islam, for I am 100% sure that a person's demand from his wife to convert to 'his' religion would still be there had he had converted to Christianity, or Budhism or any other religion. Unfortunately, it is being associated with Islam, which is highest degree of intellectual dishonesty.

2. Now the use of love Jihad term in the case of sexual exploitation of teens in the UK (or elsewhere). If those who got themselves involved into those lustful actions were practicing Muslims, they would have never got involved in the first place. In the Islamic Shariah, the sentence for the Zina (sex outside marriage) is severe than the sentence for a murder. The existence of such a severe punishment (80 lashes to unmarried, and stone-to-death to married male or female) is a proof in itself that Islam discourages its followers to get indulged into actions such as extra-marital relationships let alone heinous crimes such as rape.

How on earth can Jihad, which is among the noblest deeds in Islam, be associated with filthy things such as force-conversion and rape? What if we use terms as Love Chanakya or Love Hindutva for Hindus involved in rape and/or molestation, which are a lot by the way? Obviously it would not be acceptable. Therefore I request here to kindly discuss this matter at management level and impose a ban on the use of certain derogatory terms associated with Islam for they have nothing to do with Islam or any other religion for that matter.

I think you've got it all wrong.

Nobody blamed Islam in the first place.But it is true that many muslim men in kerala lured gals to marriages and then tried to convert them.Yes, it is logical when you say that after marriage the guy or gal may ask his/her partner to convert just to avoid the social consequences they or their kids might face.
But understand that most of the gals were "forced" to convert after marriage which by no means is the right thing to do.
A section of the radical thinking and malevolent muslims do earn other muslims a bad name.

Love Jihad is a total drama created by Modi led government

Modi took over in may 2014...and as far as I know Love jihad came into existence some years back.

 

[nair]

My point exactly. As for the Gujarat thing, sir, let's not entertain Zarvi with a dead horse

He is expecting this to be an attempt to incite a riot like in Gujarat, so just wanted to know does he have any clue what caused gujarat riots...... Not surprisingly he ignored to answer.....

 

[scorpionx]

If we, on this forum are not be blaming Islam intentionally we are forgetting that since 20's pro-Hindu organizations like Arya Samaj, Hindu Mahasabha or ABVP are guilty of organizing a mass campaign with an anti-Islamic sentiment to such a degree that it had led to communal violence, bloody riots and killing of innocents,both Hindus and Muslims. The core of the accusation, first of all that Muslim fundamentalists and youths have started an organized movement to lure Hindu women and increase the number of the community is simply a false charge.

However, there have plenty of instances where Hindu women had been forcefully converted but the way pro Hindu groups had shaped it as an organized act of treachery and attack on Hindu community is baseless and the way Muslims as a whole has been termed as a bunch of lustful men, Gobhakshak Hindu auroton ke lutere etc is nothing but gross generalization of the whole issue by putting the entire blame on the religion, not upon the criminals. In many cases in the past it have been found that the girl was a Muslim by birth, or the missing lady who had been thought to be abducted by a Muslim was found murdered by a Hindu serial killer.

So there are plenty of proof that a substantial part of these accusations are based upon rumors and Hindutva groups are using some of the forcible conversion issues mixed with a fair amount of concocted stories and rumors to draw a distinct line between Hindus and Muslims as a line between traditional victim of foreign invasion and an usual culprit.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

If we, on this forum are not be blaming Islam intentionally we are forgetting that since 20's pro-Hindu organizations like Arya Samaj, Hindu Mahasabha or ABVP are guilty of organizing a mass campaign with an anti-Islamic sentiment to such a degree that it had led to communal violence, bloody riots and killing of innocents,both Hindus and Muslims. The core of the accusation, first of all that Muslim fundamentalists and youths have started an organized movement to lure Hindu women and increase the number of the community is simply a false charge.

However, there have plenty of instances where Hindu women had been forcefully converted but the way pro Hindu groups had shaped it as an organized act of treachery and attack on Hindu community is baseless and the way Muslims as a whole has been termed as a bunch of lustful men, Gobhakshak Hindu auroton ke lutere etc is nothing but gross generalization of the whole issue by putting the entire blame on the religion, not upon the criminals. In many cases in the past it have been found that the girl was a Muslim by birth, or the missing lady who had been thought to be abducted by a Muslim was found murdered by a Hindu serial killer.

So there are plenty of proof that a substantial part of these accusations are based upon rumors and Hindutva groups are using some of the forcible conversion issues mixed with a fair amount of concocted stories and rumors to draw a distinct line between Hindus and Muslims as a line between traditional victim of foreign invasion and an usual culprit.

"In many cases in the past it have been found that the girl was a Muslim by birth, or the missing lady who had been thought to be abducted by a Muslim was found murdered by a Hindu serial killer"
Not convincing sire. And Hindu serial killer who kills girls married by Muslims?

Please learn Urdu and read some Urdu dailies. Also if possible do visit some of the local mosques wearing a pheran on Fridays.(I often do) Sare galaat faimiya door ho jaygi dada

Besides, this is not a Hindu Muslim Islam thread.

 

[nair]

Prophet modi is not a murderer. He saved millions of Muslim lives during riots.in fact he saved the very Muslims who burned a train full of Hindus. Such is how s greatness.


I will answer you. Sunnis burned a train full of hindu sufis

Converting to a different religion after marriahe is bad.

Welcome to PDF spend some time here and get to know how things work here, then you will understand the purpose of that question..... Any way now you spoil that idea

 

[Chronos]

Welcome to PDF spend some time here and get to know how things work here, then you will understand the purpose of that question..... Any way now you spoil that idea

Zarvan thinks Modi is stupid enough to lead a pogrom against Muslims, hell he even took a re-conciliatory approach to foreign relations to Pakistan after he got a bit of a backlash from international community. If he incites violence against Muslims, India will be buried under a mountain of sanctions given Modi's history.

When Pakistanis here where jumping up and down that India was going to go the way of the Third Reich, and elect Fuhrer Modi I did predict that Modi is not going to do anything stupid. In fact it is the grassroots cohorts we need to be wary of. I was right.

"In many cases in the past it have been found that the girl was a Muslim by birth, or the missing lady who had been thought to be abducted by a Muslim was found murdered by a Hindu serial killer"
Not convincing sire. And Hindu serial killer who kills girls married by Muslims?

Please learn Urdu and read some Urdu dailies. Also if possible do visit some of the local mosques wearing a pheran on Fridays.(I often do) Sare galaat faimiya door ho jaygi dada

Besides, this is not a Hindu Muslim Islam thread.

Huh

 

[Contrarian]

Zarvan thinks Modi is stupid enough to lead a pogrom against Muslims, hell he even took a re-conciliatory approach to foreign relations to Pakistan after he got a bit of a backlash from international community. If he incites violence against Muslims, India will be buried under a mountain of sanctions given Modi's history.

Not really. We are almost there to being sanction proof on the economic front. Sure, some technological sanctions may be applied to us, but a general wide ranging sanction against India is extremely hard to implement.

China has already attained that sanction proof value. Give it a decade or two, India will become as sanction proof as China.

When I say sanction proof - it means that it will cost the global economy and global countries hundreds of billions of dollars in costs to sanction us thereby making it uneconomical and unviable for them to them to execute a sanction.

 

[Chronos]

First - you have quoted coutercurrents - a pro Jihadi website that does not even consider Ahmedis as Muslims (among others)

First the vast majority of the minorities have nothing to do with this. As for the nutjobs -
Like how they lost the confidence in the State of Iraq? Seems like putting their confidence on State institutions is not their forte, it it? -This is how the author puts it.

Conversion from Hinduism to Islam is halal, but the reverse is not? Fascist Islamist logic.

So we are all Godse's children now. That's a nice term for Hindus. Don't patronize by saying that - 'All Hindus are not Hindutvas'. The article makes no distinction between the two, and neither do you.

As for hundreds of girls duped in India and the world over, your crocodile tears don't matter, nor will your attempt to whitewash the crimes help.

In past week itself, a national level shooter has lodged an FIR and the ex-'husband' has been arrested. Along with 36 SIM cards
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/36-sim-cards-found-in-house-of-love-jihad-accused/article1-1258473.aspx
And this is not a one off case either. Last week itself another lady forced into conversion, then nikah, followed by forced sex (called gangrape in civilized societies). And these are just the tips of a bigger iceberg (that is getting unclothed as we speak)

Thousands of girls used to fall victim to this heinous act before. Not any more. Cry as much as you wish to, pray and scream for the pathetic individuals who marry with an insidious motive, but our girls themselves will take this criminals head on. The only responsibility the Hindu organizations have is to accept the social responsibility of these girls - see that they cope up with the trauma.

There is no patriarchial strain here. The girls themselves are filing FIRs, in full public scrutiny, without regard for their own future and safety. We will make sure the criminals and vermin have no place to hide.

Also DON'T try to make it a Hindu vs Muslim issue. This is a Civilized vs Criminal Jihadi issue. Plenty of Muslim organizations support the Hindu orgs in these matter. It brings great shame to the majority of Muslims in India who have nothing to do with the rabid thought so evident in many of you(not that I imply anything).

Thanks.

@Ravi Nair @Indischer @levina @scorpionx @kurup @KRAIT @Tshering22 @Indrani @ExtraOdinary @DRAY @GURU DUTT @nair and others.

The reality is, everyone wants to be victims. Because victimhood gives a validity towards their grievances. But certain victims in the eyes of these Islamists are not equal.

I am sure those hundreds of Yazidiwomen sold into sexual slavery and 'reverted' to Islam get a say in who wants to be victims too.

Not really. We are almost there to being sanction proof on the economic front. Sure, some technological sanctions may be applied to us, but a general wide ranging sanction against India is extremely hard to implement.

China has already attained that sanction proof value. Give it a decade or two, India will become as sanction proof as China.

When I say sanction proof - it means that it will cost the global economy and global countries hundreds of billions of dollars in costs to sanction us thereby making it uneconomical and unviable for them to them to execute a sanction.

My point still stands.

Indeed modi will do well. His sidekicks should shut up. Modi is a prophet who had done tapasya in the forests in his younger days. The grace of God can be seen on him. He really is Gods son.

@nair looks like we have a troll on the horizon. Keep an eye out.

If we, on this forum are not be blaming Islam intentionally we are forgetting that since 20's pro-Hindu organizations like Arya Samaj, Hindu Mahasabha or ABVP are guilty of organizing a mass campaign with an anti-Islamic sentiment to such a degree that it had led to communal violence, bloody riots and killing of innocents,both Hindus and Muslims. The core of the accusation, first of all that Muslim fundamentalists and youths have started an organized movement to lure Hindu women and increase the number of the community is simply a false charge.

However, there have plenty of instances where Hindu women had been forcefully converted but the way pro Hindu groups had shaped it as an organized act of treachery and attack on Hindu community is baseless and the way Muslims as a whole has been termed as a bunch of lustful men, Gobhakshak Hindu auroton ke lutere etc is nothing but gross generalization of the whole issue by putting the entire blame on the religion, not upon the criminals. In many cases in the past it have been found that the girl was a Muslim by birth, or the missing lady who had been thought to be abducted by a Muslim was found murdered by a Hindu serial killer.

So there are plenty of proof that a substantial part of these accusations are based upon rumors and Hindutva groups are using some of the forcible conversion issues mixed with a fair amount of concocted stories and rumors to draw a distinct line between Hindus and Muslims as a line between traditional victim of foreign invasion and an usual culprit.

sounds a bit fantastic. Proof?

 

[Contrarian]

My point still stands.

Nope. My point is that Modi can do a lot and get away with it as he is the Prime Minister of India, not a small country with a small economy.

While we are not quite there yet, give it a couple of decades and you can say Modi/xyz can do almost anything he/she wants and get away with it.

 

[Chronos]

Nope. My point is that Modi can do a lot and get away with it as he is the Prime Minister of India, not a small country with a small economy.

While we are not quite there yet, give it a couple of decades and you can say Modi/xyz can do almost anything he/she wants and get away with it.

 

[Spring Onion]

Q: What is Love Jihad???
A: It is when your own girls find you pathetic/ moronic/ ugliest/ ------------------/ untrustworthy/ not worth marrying and kick you in your @$$, fall in love with a Muslim guy and marry him.

taadddahhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[Mech]

Q: What is Love Jihad???
A: It is when your own girls find you pathetic/ moronic/ ugliest/ ------------------/ untrustworthy/ not worth marrying and kick you in your @$$, fall in love with a Muslim guy and marry him.

taadddahhhhhhhhhhhh

Do Hindu men or Muslim men have universal ownership over all the girls and women in their religion ?

 

[nair]

@nair looks like we have a troll on the horizon. Keep an eye out.

I was about to say, surprisingly the discussion in this thread is a decent one, and rarely seen in threads similar to this

 

[Spring Onion]

Do Hindu men or Muslim men have universal ownership over all the girls and women in their religion ?

Unfortunately YES.

 

[Mech]

Unfortunately YES.

That's too bad. Maybe you should convert to Christianity so you can escape their oppression. We stopped calling women 'property' a long while ago.