Deoband fatwa: It's illegal for women to work, support family

[Comet]

should i cry or should i laugh???

Funny How Idiotic & Stupid Mullahs from around the world are, its like as if every thing's haram freaking everything!!!

You should rather ignore.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

You should rather ignore.

my ignorance wont make a difference because atleast 90% of the people will simply take their word as a God's Revelation, seriously man these Mullahs need to come out of Mentality of Middle Ages

Don't know where's God Up there, Damn all these stupid illiterate, retarded, self righteous idiots & their blind followers

 

[gubbi]

should i cry or should i laugh???

Funny, How Idiotic & Stupid Mullahs from around the world are, its like as if every thing's haram freaking everything!!!

so women just stick to their homes & die with hunger but they must not commit haram act of earning money, fair or unfair....

Totally unfair.

These guys seem to be bunch of insecure idiots who are incapable of matching up with highly qualified women. They themselves do not have any extraordinary qualities and seeing the fairer sex surging ahead gives them nightmares and hence they come up with ridiculous ideas.

Anyway their so called "fatwa" in this particular case goes against the tenets of Indian Constitution and will not hold any water!

 

[DaRk WaVe]

whether they are Deobandi or what ever, the thing is that these in secure, retarded, self righteous idiots just love to give give Fatwas about women, the only angle in their minds about women is a sexual one

they jsut can't think of anything else at all, jsut look at this line

'"It is unlawful (under the Sharia law) for Muslim women to work in the government or private sector where men and women work together and women have to talk with men frankly and without a veil"

only proving that ONLY sexual angle is in their minds even here, the most bloody thing i want to ask these 'self righteous idiots' is that what about the women who don't have any 'male member' left in their family because of one reason or another, should they sit in their homes & die of hunger & shun the 'haram act' of earning money for their very own existence & survival

plus I know what ever you people may say here but the fact is that many people will blindly follow this crap & even try to force the implementation of God's Will!!

where's God? HE must have sent some stones from heavens on these self righteous idiotic insecure losers

 

[Fighter488]

Dar ul Uloom Deoband has produced a number of renowned and noted scholars, and freedom fighters that include Sayyed Ata-ullah Shah Bukhari , Moulana Shabbir Ahmad Usmani (among the staunchest supporters of Jinnah and Pakistan movement), Moulana Shabbir Ahmad Usmani, Moulana Ubaidullah Sindhi and many others. That is true that the present day Dar ul Uloom is nothing but a shadow of the Dar ul Uloom it used to be in the late 19th and the first half of the 20th century, still its contribution in the preservation of Islamic teaching during the time of the British Raj in India is notable. Only because Harvard has produced people like George W Bush who has blood of tens of thousands of innocent Muslims on his hands, Benazir Bhutto who was an alleged corruption Queen, and Amy Bishop a mass murderer, Harvard can not be and must not be blamed. Similarly, Dar ul Uloom Deoband must not be blamed for the intellectual drift of its students.

By the way, I belong to the Deobandi Hanafi School of thought but according to my study of Quran, Hadith and Fiqah, I do not find this fatwa correct.

This is a very correct answer qssark!

Lately what I found among the clerics in Deoband is the FEAR of losing its original ideology under the influence of SECULARISTS and a CONTINOUS ONSLAUGHT over the muslims religious affairs in India.

This same fear is behind some of the more provocative, mis-judged and mistimed Fatwas from Darul-Uloom Deoband.

Also there are certain elements that have come under political influence in Deoband and so are providing fodder to the politico-religious bigots and exploiters in India.

This look more to create a political controversy and DIVERT the attention of muslims from genuine POLITICAL DEMANDS such as Muslim Minority Reservation in education and employement, shameful and disgusting TERROR ENCOUNTERS such as BATLA HOUSE episode etc.


These FATWAS must be ignored by every one. Thier timming of appearance and pronunciation, must ALSO be noted down CAREFULLY.

Fighter

 

[Comet]

whether they are Deobandi or what ever, the thing is that these in secure, retarded, self righteous idiots just love to give give Fatwas about women, the only angle in their minds about women is a sexual one

they jsut can't think of anything else at all, jsut look at this line


only proving that ONLY sexual angle is in their minds even here, the most bloody thing i want to ask these 'self righteous idiots' is that what about the women who don't have any 'male member' left in their family because of one reason or another, should they sit in their homes & die of hunger & shun the 'haram act' of earning money for their very own existence & survival

plus I know what ever you people may say here but the fact is that many people will blindly follow this crap & even try to force the implementation of God's Will, The God huh!!

Go ahead and ask. Whats stopping you?

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Go ahead and ask. Whats stopping you?

Women Challenging & saying anything against the great saviors of humanity & God's people, is HARAM & women doing that deserve execution

because women have a smaller brain then men & these Mullahs have bigger brain then rest of the man kind,


Heil Mullahs, I must go to hell

 

[TechLahore]

[6:114] Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.

Oh but sure, you can take 'moulvi sahibs' advice, provided it makes logical sense:

[17:36] You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them.

V9S, I didn't bring this up earlier, but now I feel I must. You have quoted some very pertinent ayaat from the Quran. Let me cover the full context of one of these (6:114)

[Yusufali 6:112] Likewise did We make for every Messenger an enemy,- evil ones among men and jinns, inspiring each other with flowery discourses by way of deception. If thy Lord had so planned, they would not have done it: so leave them and their inventions alone.

[Yusufali 6:113] To such (deceit) let the hearts of those incline, who have no faith in the hereafter: let them delight in it, and let them earn from it what they may.

[Yusufali 6:114] Say: "Shall I seek for judge other than Allah? - when He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, explained in detail." They know full well, to whom We have given the Book, that it hath been sent down from thy Lord in truth. Never be then of those who doubt.

[Yusufali 6:115] The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfilment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all.

Please focus on the parts I have put in bold. First, Allah says that for every Messenger there is an enemy; people that use flowery language and complexities to confuse individuals. Then He says, to such people, ask if you should look to them for guidance or to Allah - who has made the Book FULLY detailed. This strikes at the heart of the Mullah who inserts himself as an interpretive instrument.

Next, Allah says something so profoundly beautiful and complete, you must think about it in detail. He says, the "fulfilment" of Allah's divine word is in "truth and in justice". Now, here Allah is telling us that we must shun interpretations that result in a travesty of either truth or justice. How can Allah's perfect guidance NOT yield justice? Think about it in the context of this fatwa. Is it *justice* to force women to stay away from work where they can earn an income when their family is undergoing hard times? In no society, in no religion, under no system of jurisprudence would this be considered justice.

So in this fatwa, these evil mullahs have proven themselves to be unjust and in negation of a Holy ayat of the Quran. They have proven themselves to be those who are busy "inspiring each other with flowery discourses by way of deception". These are evil people who seek to control interpretation of Allah's Book and by virtue of this control, gain power over people. Specifically, the power to mislead.

A professional mullah who earns his income by way of religion has automatically developed a vested interest in the interpretation of the Book. Anyone with a vested interest is conflicted and cannot be looked upon as a guide. All mullahs who earn a livelihood from Islam should NOT be followed. This is my view. I felt I should share it, now that you have brought up this ayat. I am not saying that genuine educated ulema who are professional historians, or professors of comparative religion, or have a means to a livelihood separate from religion are to be condemned. No. I am talking about the Mullah who has developed a vested interest in religion. He is utterly and completely condemnable and should not be followed. 99% of the Mullahs out there are like this... using a qabzay ki masjid, chanday kay paisay, and many other ways of turning religion into a source of income...

If the Holy Prophet (pbuh&hf) was alive today, he would do to 99% of the masjids in muslim lands what he did to Masjid-e-Zarrar.

 

[Bang Galore]

No 'fatwa' against working women, says Deoband

NEW DELHI: Darul Uloom Deoband, India's foremost Islamic seminary, Wednesday denied asking Muslim women not to work along with men and said it only suggested that working women should dress "properly".

"We had only given an opinion based on Sharia that women need to be properly covered in government and private offices," said Maulana Adnan Munshi, spokesman for the seminary in Saharanpur in Uttar Pradesh.

He denied a media report that the seminary was opposed to men and women working together.

"No new fatwa was issued," Maulana Munshi told IANS on telephone, adding that even the opinion on dress code was given when a Muslim woman desired to know if women could go to work without a 'purdah' or veil.

"That too is one-and-a-half months old," he said.

But the media report claiming that the Deoband seminary had issued a "fatwa" against working women has led to sharp reactions from leaders and scholars from the Muslim community.
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ng-women-says-Deoband/articleshow/5922300.cms

 

[KS]

And Indians are too happy to support this kind of Mullahs; they even encourage these bustards to visit other countries so that they can project the most absurd picture of Islam to the world. Matter of fact, Deoband receives training and funds from RAW to continue their activities in the name of Islam.

areey wat a surprise..infact i was expecting this from Munshi bhai or idune..surprise..

p.s.:these guys are discussing seriously and lets leav it here.

shameful and disgusting TERROR ENCOUNTERS such as BATLA HOUSE episode etc.

did u notice the contradiction in ur own post..-TERROR ENCOUNTERS - ..Please mate without being proved dont jump to conclusion...That is disgusting...

 

[U-571]

the fact is, women are always controlled by men, like restricting them or giving them freedom(be it eastern or western society), in the free society women are more used as a sex object than any other thing. the role of fatwa intends to eliminate the sex thing of women, and to give them free will where women cannot be exploited by men. the free people of the west who exploit the femaleness more than any other society can say that purpose of islam is to reject the gift of 21st century like declaring women equal to male, so they can do anything which is more male oriented, but islam always tends to protect women and to protect their integrity. this is a living fact and nobody can change that. this is the neutral point of view.

 

[khurmi]

This story is reported in a distorted way. Please exercise care when posting these types of news. In these times of fitnas and conspiracies we need to be extra careful. The enemies of Islam are out there to exploit these situations and cause dissension in the muslim community. Please check out this link


“We had only given an opinion based on Sharia that women need to be properly covered in government and private offices,” said Maulana Adnan Munshi, spokesman for the seminary in Saharanpur in Uttar Pradesh.

He denied a media report that the seminary was opposed to men and women working together.

“No new fatwa was issued,” Maulana Munshi told IANS on telephone, adding that even the opinion on dress code was given when a Muslim woman desired to know if women could go to work without a ‘purdah’ or veil.

“That too is one-and-a-half months old,” he said.

The Deoband institution also denied having issued a ‘fatwa’ whereby a husband’s dependence on his wife’s earnings was declared illegal.

“We have not issued any such ‘fatwa’ declaring a woman’s financial support to the family as illegal. I fail to understand how such a news was flashed across a section of the media,” Mufti Mohammad Shakeel of the ‘Fatwa’ department told IANS over telephone from Deoband.

According to him, the only case where the income of the lady of the house could be treated as ‘haram’ or illegal was when the means of her earnings were unlawful.

 

[vandemataram]

Maybe in your religion its personal, but Islam exactly teaches its followers how to wear clothes, what food to eat, how to bring-up kids, etc. Islam (for Muslims of course) is not just a religion, its a way of life.

qsaark I really appreciate your argument and accenpt that Islam is not only a religion but much more than that..

In retrospect, do not you think that the aspect of Islam which is "Political Islam" the root cause behind the global upheaval?

I might be wrong but common sense dictates so, it iwll be interesting to understand a moderate perspective like yours.

Secondly for another of your post, I think it is completely illogical to compare doctors with the ulema..the biggest difference being we pay the doctor for giving us advice and that is because we are obviously unaware of things what he knows, which is his bread and butter, that is what he is paid for and that is what he has stuidied.

Comparing this with Ejaz's post where he says it is not binding upon people is more rational to accept, rather than your idea that the Ulema has taken the great responsibility of providing unsolicited advice to people

 

[vandemataram]

Fatwah is for All Muslims - be it in Pakistan, India or even Africa. You please stay out of this topic

This thread is strictly for Muslims only

Hold your tongue and just relax, this forum does not belong to you...

The very basics of this forum is democracy and if you are not a believer of that then stay out...

 

[Hyde]

should i cry or should i laugh???

Funny, How Idiotic & Stupid Mullahs from around the world are, its like as if every thing's haram freaking everything!!!

so women just stick to their homes & die with hunger but they must not commit haram act of earning money, fair or unfair....

where's God? HE must have sent some stones from heavens on these self righteous idiotic insecure losers

At one point we say - everybody has a right of freedom and then we raise fingers on their freedom. Let mullahs enjoy their freedom also and express their opinions. This maulvi saab gave fatwah..... you don't agree........... i don't agree...... TechLahore don't agree.......... Just IGNORE

I am sure there are plenty of scholars who don't agree with this Maulvi saab and they will better respond him in the light of Islam

You find all kind of peoples around and obviously you just can't argue with everybody. So just control your emotions and do not behave like rebellions

Hold your tongue and just relax, this forum does not belong to you...

The very basics of this forum is democracy and if you are not a believer of that then stay out...

i don't want to derail the thread, I hope MODs delete irrelevent posts from this thread - enjoy!