Delhi, where even China's pollution fades into insignificance

[AndrewJin]

Can't provide link as I am new here.. According to GoI 30% of GDP is from industrial output.. For China it's 40%..(2015)
30% of India's GDP= $2.4 trillion.
40% of Chinese GDP=$7.8 trillion
Took GDP PPP because
GDP PPP= no. of products* constant price( say price in USA)
You are right that monitoring stations in India(39) is minimal compared to China(1500).. But your assumptions about India over polluted for decades is totally wrong.. Check NASA satellite images in 2005,2011& 2015.. Read Greenpeace clean air action plan report 2015..

OMG, PPP again.
We are talking about tradable industrial goods which are bought by real dollars.
U can use your main acccount to post link.
But pls do not post unrelated PPP links.
We are talking about industrial output, that u trade in real money not in imaginary money.

When u buy DJI drones from China, we do not take your PPP money.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Are millions in India die in pollution for cooking with "COW DUNG" classified as "DIRTY LIES" as well?

Learn how to read

Which part of post referred lies of Indian deaths from pollution

Can Indian friends explain whats like to cook by burning cow dung, smells good?
http://indiaclimatedialogue.net/2014/07/17/millions-die-indians-still-cook-wood-dung/

Maybe like gutter oil cooked food?

 

[AndrewJin]

Are millions in India die in pollution for cooking with "COW DUNG" classified as "DIRTY LIES" as well?
Can Indian friends explain whats like to cook by burning cow dung, smells good?
http://indiaclimatedialogue.net/2014/07/17/millions-die-indians-still-cook-wood-dung/

The most important point in this thread is they have very little manufacturing value added, through having higher level of pollution and ten years less life expecatancy compared to China.

What lie? India has the most number of polluted cities according to WHO? India has very little manufacturing value added according to World Bank? India has shorter life expearcnacy than the world developing country average?

Lmao, these RSSers never care about the regular people in India but spend their entire life "debunking" the truth and spreading lies hiding the truth. Good job! With their help, now India has less pollution!

 

[grey boy 2]

Learn how to read

Which part of post referred lies of Indian deaths from pollution



Maybe like gutter oil cooked food?

Does gutter oil killed millions Chinese like "COW DUNG" cooking pollution killed millions in India as well?

 

[TaiShang]

Can't provide link as I am new here.. According to GoI 30% of GDP is from industrial output.. For China it's 40%..(2015)
30% of India's GDP= $2.4 trillion.
40% of Chinese GDP=$7.8 trillion
Took GDP PPP because
GDP PPP= no. of products* constant price( say price in USA)
You are right that monitoring stations in India(39) is minimal compared to China(1500).. But your assumptions about India over polluted for decades is totally wrong.. Check NASA satellite images in 2005,2011& 2015.. Read Greenpeace clean air action plan report 2015..

Industry value added (as % of GDP - World Bank):

The problem with India is, its value added is declining even before manufacturing takes off. China's industries, on the other hand, is maturing.

Some residents performed a 'havan' (a ritual burning of offerings) on Saturday at Infocity in Sector 33 and offered different items in the fire to please God for purifying the air. They are planning to perform 100 havans in different parts of the city on December 31 by involving a large number of people from different sections of society.

Burning stuff to end pollution most likely adds to pollution.

 

[grey boy 2]

http://www.odditycentral.com/news/chinese-villagers-consume-cow-and-goat-poop-to-fight-cancer.html

Enjoy.

How to enjoy bro? i believed it doesn't stated that its killing "Millions Chinese" like millions Indians die for "COW DUNG" on a yearly basis
Try harder brother, better luck next time

 

[rcrmj]

why bother to burst their grand delusion? let them to indulge in their vivid dreams of IT superpower, 2012 superpower, tech powerhouse, India shining, and PPP champion sort of nonsense````

 

[AndrewJin]

why bother to burst their grand delusion? let them to indulge in their vivid dreams of IT superpower, 2012 superpower, tech powerhouse, India shining, and PPP champion sort of nonsense````

i am just wondering why all a sudden so many new members rush to this section to preach about PPP and Supa Powa 2012?

Industry value added (as % of GDP - World Bank):

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The problem with India is, its value added is declining even before manufacturing takes off. China's industries, on the other hand, is maturing.



Burning stuff to end pollution most likely adds to pollution.

OMG, such a tiny proportion of a tiny GDP.
What'a more pathetic is with such tiny GDP they have the most top100 most polluted cities according to WHO 2016 database.

In the meantime, RSSers whose children get the second worst in PISA2009 (then chickened out in 2012 and 2015) cheer about PPP (hope they could buy our machinery with their useless PPP money) and their shining Supa Powa saga back in 2012.

 

[TaiShang]

OMG, such a tiny proportion of a tiny GDP.
What'a more pathetic is with such tiny GDP they have the most top100 most polluted cities according to WHO 2016 database.

In the meantime, RSSers whose children get the second worst in PISA2009 (then chickened out in 2012 and 2015) cheer about PPP (hope they could buy our machinery with their useless PPP money) and their shining Supa Powa saga back in 2012.

Their GDP is not particularly growing, either. I do not know, with explosive population growth, how it will become for the next two-three generations.

With almost stagnant GDP, it is a wonder how India generates so much pollution.

What is more shocking is that by 1990, China and India GDP was almost the same (World Bank).

 

[AndrewJin]

Their GDP is not particularly growing, either. I do not know, with explosive population growth, how it will become for the next two-three generations.

With almost stagnant GDP, it is a wonder how India generates so much pollution.

What is more shocking is that by 1990, China and India GDP was almost the same (World Bank).

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The question is even when india had similar gdp as China's, their inclusive growth was abysmal....
They can have excuses for GDP, but what to blame for their lack of inclusive growth?

 

[TaiShang]

The question is even when india had similar gdp as China's, their inclusive growth was abysmal....
They can have excuses for GDP, but what to blame for their lack of inclusive growth?

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The problem of India is poised to be the problem of all developing countries with wrong public policies and unsustainable population growth.



China may have barely escaped the trap of the century and Vietnam and other smaller SEA countries (especially the territorial SEA) show signs of escaping it; but India may have to stuck in the vicious cycle of unsustainable growth for the long period.

GDP per capita in constant 2010 USD shows the declining demographic dividend for India. China is not at a much brighter spot, either, but, China's industrial maturity and value-added is much better. Hence, together with quality infrastructure and sustainable population growth, the path toward a moderately developed economy looks doable.

 

[TaiShang]

China-India GDP per capita in constant USD 2010

 

[AndrewJin]

The problem of India is poised to be the problem of all developing countries with wrong public policies and unsustainable population growth.

China may have barely escaped the trap of the century and Vietnam and other smaller SEA countries (especially the territorial SEA) show signs of escaping it; but India may have to stuck in the vicious cycle of unsustainable growth for the long period.

GDP per capita in constant 2010 USD shows the declining demographic dividend for India. China is not at a much brighter spot, either, but, China's industrial maturity and value-added is much better. Hence, together with quality infrastructure and sustainable population growth, the path toward a moderately developed economy looks doable.

Demographic dividend in India = pollution without big industrial output
Demographic dividend in China= pollution from industrialisation + biggest manufacturing value added + biggest infra investment

But we have to keep in mind our per capita value added is still quite small!
Need further secondary industrialisation, automation, more investment on R&D!

I am the only one came with PPP figure.. So I think you referred me.. That was only to counter your statement of " there is no industries in India".. Not for bragging super power or GDP PPP.. I just wanted to show you Indian industry is 1/3 of Chinese.. Also I am not new here..
From your posts it is evident that you are wondering why this much air pollution in India with so minimum GDP.. Just study about you country in 2006.. You will get answer..

See this.. In 2006 China's GDP( nominal)= $2 trillion.. But look at above graph. Your air pollution rate was much worse than today's India's..

In 2006, China's control-accessed expressway is 35000km, india has less than 2000km in 2016.
In 2006, China's life expectancy was 74, india today is less than 70.
Is 2 trillion dollars in 2006 the same as today's 2 trillion dollars?
LMAO.

 

[TaiShang]

But we have to keep in mind our per capita value added is still quite small!
Need further secondary industrialisation, automation, more investment on R&D!

Yes，indeed, although China does better than India in value-added, India is not a benchmark. The benchmark is Japan and Korea; China's historical cultural extensions.

High technology share of manufactured good export tells a lot about China's clear advantage.

To capitalize on this, innovation needs to be further encouraged with developmentalist state approach, just as how Japan and Korea did.

High-technology exports (% of manufactured exports):

 

[AndrewJin]

Yes，indeed, although China does better than India in value-added, India is not a benchmark. The benchmark is Japan and Korea; China's historical cultural extensions.

High technology share of manufactured good export tells a lot about China's clear advantage.

To capitalize on this, innovation needs to be further encouraged with developmentalist state approach, just as how Japan and Korea did.

High-technology exports (% of manufactured exports):


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U r right.....no country will look at a failed demoncrazy as a benchmark, that would self-degrading....
Mainland China should be always eyeing more developed countries in the region....
Our per capita R&D spending is quite small.

Let's increase R&D spending step by step, first achieve 2.5% in 2020.


http://www.asiatoday.com.au/content/china-increase-rd-spending-25-gdp-2020
China’s R&D Spending Grew 18.3% Annually: UNESCO


BEIJING - China plans to increase spending on research and development to 2.5% of its gross domestic product by 2020 in a bid to foster innovation crucial for growth, a Central Government blueprint shows.

The State Council, China’s cabinet, said its latest 13th Five-Year Plan for R&D aims to raise the country’s research capacity and help it secure a place among the top 15 innovative countries in the world by 2020. China is now ranked 18th in a global innovation ranking developed by the state-backed Chinese Academy of Science and Technology for Development in 2011.

The R&D blueprint also focusses on new ways to fund innovation via the equity market, an issue which has been rarely discussed in the past because most research projects are funded by the Government, Xu Liang, an official from the Ministry of Science and Technology, told state-run Xinhua News Agency.

Amid the current economic slowdown, authorities have pushed for moves to foster innovation, calling it a new growth engine to prevent China from heading into a hard landing. High-tech services contributed 15% of China’s GDP in 2015, the State Council said, and it expects this to rise to almost one-fifth by 2020.