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Delhi, where even China's pollution fades into insignificance

This sort of article is very tame if you see the type of news programs on Indian tv channels concerning pollution.
Actually anti pollution actions started in Delhi more than a decade ago under judicial orders.
First was the closing of all industrial units in Delhi and relocation to outskirts.
Second was replacement of all fossil fuel 3 wheelers with LNG powered ones.
All had to be court ordered because no government wants to be unpopular by taking necessary steps here .
WRT article , reinforcement of the main public transport system which is the diesel powered buses with the metro which started in 2002 and is now 200 km . To be extended to 350 km by 2017. It carries 2.7 million passangers now everyday. Imagine them using buses.
Main polluters are construction and burning of crops in neighbouring states.
No easy solutions here.
Maybe our Chinese members can give some constructive suggestions.
Yes, dump in money.. Its common for developing countries to produce alot of pollution. When you are developing and need cost effective measures to create growth. There is very little room for so called go green and regulation.

China has already passed that stages and its now for China to use that wealth to do the correction by implementing measures and force industries to use greener but also more expensive methods for industrialization.

I can forsee India still need to bear with pollution for a decade in order to keep growing.

Industrialized? What industrial products super power India exports competitively, except few sweat shop by western masters? Still deficit to China 60 billions, and increasing every year

In delusional rss minds, China achieved trade advantage by sweat shops, and they are more technologically dominant, high up in the value chain
Probably he think the Foxconn factories that produced iphone is also considered sweat shop! Yes, inside has primitive equipment like hammer and screw driver only.. :lol:

Indian delusion at their best.
 
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Yes, dump in money.. Its common for developing countries to produce alot of pollution. When you are developing and need cost effective measures to create growth. There is very little room for so called go green and regulation.

China has already passed that stages and its now for China to use that wealth to do the correction by implementing measures and force industries to use greener but also more expensive methods for industrialization.

I can forsee India still need to bear with pollution for a decade in order to keep growing.


Probably he think the Foxconn factories that produced iphone is also considered sweat shop! Yes, inside has primitive equipment like hammer and screw driver only.. :lol:

Indian delusion at their best.

This is 2016.

They probably do not know Foxconn in China provides jobs to low-skill low-education labor with quite decent salary that the majority indians can only dream in their delusion....

(1yuan=10 rupees)
3500-4500yuan per month for the first year (non-skill work), plus free food + free accommodation
8 hours per day* 5 days: regular working time in A/C rooms, sitting
Extra salary on weekend, 20.78 yuan per hour. public holiday 31.17 yuan/hour
Extra year-end bonus
Paid leave
5 insurances + housing fund (public welfare and insurance)
Extra private insurance
Free re-education + vocational education + pathway to skilled work/ management
Free amenities

(2015 recruitment)
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In India to become a "super power" in the publicity. India does not take itself as a developing country.
In the case of India is still in the agricultural state, the pollution has been very serious, so, when India became an industrialized country?.... Take care.
For the Indians, India is post - industrialization and a supa-powa.
 
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Bharat is an industrialised country , though there are no sweatshop labor factories there . for more information , you can see made in india post in this forum . bye for now
Omg! Seriously?
Brilliantly stupid post. :D :D :D

Industrialized? What industrial products super power India exports competitively, except few sweat shop by western masters? Still deficit to China 60 billions, and increasing every year

In delusional rss minds, China achieved trade advantage by sweat shops, and they are more technologically dominant, high up in the value chain
Omg! I had a good laugh at his post. Poor kid must be really desperate to post such outrageous claims. :D
 
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Bharat is an industrialised country , though there are no sweatshop labor factories there . for more information , you can see made in india post in this forum . bye for now
Oh, India's 18 million modern slaves and 60 million Child labor living in heaven?
Sir... It's better not to make such a low-end error.
Well, India is really an industrial country.
Even aircraft accidents, ship accidents, train accidents occur frequently, India is still... Does not stop the accident. Strong ability to recover.
So now, is the India warship standing up on the dry dock?
Even though I don't know what is “made in India”?
But I know
China is the world's largest ship manufacturing and exporting country, the world's third largest weapons exporter, the world's first high-speed train manufacturing country...(these things, does the India government or TOI tell you?)
So, made in India...What's that?
Low end manufacturing makes you very confident.
 
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I did remember in the old days Indians used to say hey we are poorer but at least we are living in a healthy environment. Now, 13 of the 20 most polluted cities are in India and yet they are still poor. Sometimes, its better to do first before talking.
 
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I did remember in the old days Indians used to say hey we are poorer but at least we are living in a healthy environment. Now, 13 of the 20 most polluted cities are in India and yet they are still poor. Sometimes, its better to do first before talking.
don't matter. India will beat pollution with this:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...to-cut-air-pollution/articleshow/55919138.cms
Gurgaon releases holy smoke to cut air pollution

Some residents performed a 'havan' (a ritual burning of offerings) on Saturday at Infocity in Sector 33 and offered different items in the fire to please God for purifying the air. They are planning to perform 100 havans in different parts of the city on December 31 by involving a large number of people from different sections of society.

Upset with the government over its failure to take steps for improvement of air, Sushant Mishra, an IT professional, said, "Now only God can protect us from air pollution.
 
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India's industrial sector (GVA)is almost one third of China's industrial sector at constant price.
Care to provide a link?

I did remember in the old days Indians used to say hey we are poorer but at least we are living in a healthy environment. Now, 13 of the 20 most polluted cities are in India and yet they are still poor. Sometimes, its better to do first before talking.
In fact, India has been heavily polluted for decades. The question is they do not have enough AQI monitoring stations, unlike China where AQI is monitored everywhere not just in major cities. Hence, WHO experts have less access to data in India and alway underestimate the whole picture. When they really start to monitor the pollution in their country not just in some major cities, we will see more shocking results.
 
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Care to provide a link?


In fact, India has been heavily polluted for decades. The question is they do not have enough AQI monitoring stations, unlike China where AQI is monitored everywhere not just in major cities. Hence, WHO experts have less access to data in India and alway underestimate the whole picture. When they really start to monitor the pollution in their country not just in some major cities, we will see more shocking results.
what are you going to do when he gives you Vedic statistics?
 
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Can jet engines clean up Delhi's foul air?
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Soutik Biswas India correspondent
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    Image copyrightREUTERS
Image captionDelhi is one of the most polluted cities in the world
Sometime next year, if all goes well, a retired jet engine will be mounted on a flatbed trailer and taken to a coal-fired power plant in Delhi.

With the exhaust nozzle pointed at the sky, the engine will be placed near the smokestack and turned on.

As the engine roars to life, it will generate a nozzle speed of 400 metres per second (1,440km/h; 900mph), which is more or less the speed of sound.

The exhaust will create powerful updrafts that will, to put it simply, blast the emissions from the plant to higher altitudes, above a meteorological phenomenon called temperature inversion, where a layer of cold air is held in place by a warmer "lid" trapping smog.

The jet exhaust will act as a "virtual chimney", drawing in and transporting the smog, which makes Delhi's air some of the most toxic in the world. A single jet engine can deal with emissions from a 1,000 megawatt power plant.

world-asia-india-38285567

So can jet engines help clean up Delhi's foul air? A team of researchers from the US, India and Singapore believes so.

"This could lead to a successful implementation of a new technology for smog mitigation all over the world," the lead researcher, Moshe Alamaro, an aeronautical engineer and atmospheric scientist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, tells me.

"The programme could use retired and commercial engines and has the possibility of adding value to numerous retired propulsion systems available."

Delhi is an ideal candidate for this experiment. The widespread use of festival fireworks, the burning of rubbish by the city's poor, plus farm waste from around the city, vehicular emissions and construction dust, all contribute to the city's thick "pea-soup" fogs.

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Image copyrightCOPYRIGHT ©ALAMARO 2016 WITH PERMISSION
Image captionThe jet engines will be mounted on a flatbed trailer
Things get worse in winter: last month, schools were shut, construction and demolition work suspended, people wore face masks and were asked to work from home.

The move came after levels of PM2.5 - tiny particles that can affect the lungs - soared to over 90 times the level considered safe by the World Health Organization and 15 times the federal government's norms.

Carrying out the jet engine experiment outside a coal-fired electricity plant makes sense as coal accounts for more than 60% of India's power generation. In two years, the country could surpass China as the biggest importer of thermal coal.

Coal-fired energy may be linked to more than 100,000 premature deaths and millions of cases of asthma and respiratory ailments. Also, emissions from a 1,000-megawatt coal-fired plant are equivalent to emissions from roughly 500,000 cars.

Scientists say that jet engines were used in the Soviet Union 45 years ago to enhance rainfall.

"They achieved some success," says Dr Alamaro. "As far as I know nobody tried using jet engines for smog mitigation."

Noise concerns
Farmers have also rented helicopters to hover over their fields to "agitate and disrupt the inversions" to protect their crops.

Next month, Dr Alamaro will join some of India's top scientists and collaborators from government agencies at a workshop to plan the experiment.

There are concerns: noise from the jet engine, for example.

"In the beginning," he says, "the jet engine will be tested in remote location and not necessarily near a power plant, to observe the jet properties and for optimisation."

The scientists say that fears about emissions from jet engines fouling the air are unfounded as their emissions "are much cleaner than that of the power plant per unit of power".

There are reportedly offers of retired jet engines from air forces in India and the US for the experiment.

Scientists are talking to Tata Group, a private power producer, to use one of their plants for a site for the experiment.

Before the test, meteorological data on the area, along with information on frequency of smog will be essential. Drones will be used before and after the experiment.

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Image copyrightAFP
Image captionCoal-powered thermal power plants meet most of India's energy needs
Critics of the planned experiment doubt whether the jet exhausts will be powerful enough to create a virtual chimney and blow out the smog, and question whether expensive jet engines can be used on a large scale to control air pollution in a vast city such as Delhi.

But Dr Alamaro is optimistic.

"Each new technology should start with the least resistant path for success," he says.

"The concentration of emission from coal is very high near the power plant.

"So a jet engine that elevates this emission is more effective near the power plant than somewhere else in the city that is plagued by smog.

"That said, we also plan to try to elevate the less concentrated smog in and around the city by jet systems.

"For example, the jet system can be placed near highways where vehicle emission is high, so the jet is more effective than somewhere else in the city."

If successful, Dr Alamaro says, this method can be used "anywhere and anytime, away from a power plant and during normal atmospheric conditions" to control air pollution.

Fairly soon, we may know if jet engines can really help to clean Delhi's foul air.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-38285567
 
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Can jet engines clean up Delhi's foul air?
soutikbiswas.png

Soutik Biswas India correspondent
  • _92929218_mediaitem92929217.jpg
    Image copyrightREUTERS
Image captionDelhi is one of the most polluted cities in the world
Sometime next year, if all goes well, a retired jet engine will be mounted on a flatbed trailer and taken to a coal-fired power plant in Delhi.

With the exhaust nozzle pointed at the sky, the engine will be placed near the smokestack and turned on.

As the engine roars to life, it will generate a nozzle speed of 400 metres per second (1,440km/h; 900mph), which is more or less the speed of sound.

The exhaust will create powerful updrafts that will, to put it simply, blast the emissions from the plant to higher altitudes, above a meteorological phenomenon called temperature inversion, where a layer of cold air is held in place by a warmer "lid" trapping smog.

The jet exhaust will act as a "virtual chimney", drawing in and transporting the smog, which makes Delhi's air some of the most toxic in the world. A single jet engine can deal with emissions from a 1,000 megawatt power plant.

So can jet engines help clean up Delhi's foul air? A team of researchers from the US, India and Singapore believes so.

"This could lead to a successful implementation of a new technology for smog mitigation all over the world," the lead researcher, Moshe Alamaro, an aeronautical engineer and atmospheric scientist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, tells me.

"The programme could use retired and commercial engines and has the possibility of adding value to numerous retired propulsion systems available."

Delhi is an ideal candidate for this experiment. The widespread use of festival fireworks, the burning of rubbish by the city's poor, plus farm waste from around the city, vehicular emissions and construction dust, all contribute to the city's thick "pea-soup" fogs.

_92928882_mediaitem92928881.jpg
Image copyrightCOPYRIGHT ©ALAMARO 2016 WITH PERMISSION
Image captionThe jet engines will be mounted on a flatbed trailer
Things get worse in winter: last month, schools were shut, construction and demolition work suspended, people wore face masks and were asked to work from home.

The move came after levels of PM2.5 - tiny particles that can affect the lungs - soared to over 90 times the level considered safe by the World Health Organization and 15 times the federal government's norms.

Carrying out the jet engine experiment outside a coal-fired electricity plant makes sense as coal accounts for more than 60% of India's power generation. In two years, the country could surpass China as the biggest importer of thermal coal.

Coal-fired energy may be linked to more than 100,000 premature deaths and millions of cases of asthma and respiratory ailments. Also, emissions from a 1,000-megawatt coal-fired plant are equivalent to emissions from roughly 500,000 cars.

Scientists say that jet engines were used in the Soviet Union 45 years ago to enhance rainfall.

"They achieved some success," says Dr Alamaro. "As far as I know nobody tried using jet engines for smog mitigation."

Noise concerns
Farmers have also rented helicopters to hover over their fields to "agitate and disrupt the inversions" to protect their crops.

Next month, Dr Alamaro will join some of India's top scientists and collaborators from government agencies at a workshop to plan the experiment.

There are concerns: noise from the jet engine, for example.

"In the beginning," he says, "the jet engine will be tested in remote location and not necessarily near a power plant, to observe the jet properties and for optimisation."

The scientists say that fears about emissions from jet engines fouling the air are unfounded as their emissions "are much cleaner than that of the power plant per unit of power".

There are reportedly offers of retired jet engines from air forces in India and the US for the experiment.

Scientists are talking to Tata Group, a private power producer, to use one of their plants for a site for the experiment.

Before the test, meteorological data on the area, along with information on frequency of smog will be essential. Drones will be used before and after the experiment.

_86947902_86947901.jpg
Image copyrightAFP
Image captionCoal-powered thermal power plants meet most of India's energy needs
Critics of the planned experiment doubt whether the jet exhausts will be powerful enough to create a virtual chimney and blow out the smog, and question whether expensive jet engines can be used on a large scale to control air pollution in a vast city such as Delhi.

But Dr Alamaro is optimistic.

"Each new technology should start with the least resistant path for success," he says.

"The concentration of emission from coal is very high near the power plant.

"So a jet engine that elevates this emission is more effective near the power plant than somewhere else in the city that is plagued by smog.

"That said, we also plan to try to elevate the less concentrated smog in and around the city by jet systems.

"For example, the jet system can be placed near highways where vehicle emission is high, so the jet is more effective than somewhere else in the city."

If successful, Dr Alamaro says, this method can be used "anywhere and anytime, away from a power plant and during normal atmospheric conditions" to control air pollution.

Fairly soon, we may know if jet engines can really help to clean Delhi's foul air.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-38285567

Very unfortunate with Delhi

I hope Kejriwal doesn't do something dim-witted like attempting to give this a positive spin like claiming the pollution to be military advantage.

http://www.ibtimes.com/shanghai-pollution-smog-chinas-newest-military-defense-weapon-photos-1501616

Bharat is an industrialised country , though there are no sweatshop labor factories there . for more information , you can see made in india post in this forum . bye for now
You are wrong

As per CCP defined economics nation with 6th largest manufacturing output value is not an industrialized nation.

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator...bapi_data_value&sort=desc&year_high_desc=true
 
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Can't provide link as I am new here.. According to GoI 30% of GDP is from industrial output.. For China it's 40%..(2015)
30% of India's GDP= $2.4 trillion.
40% of Chinese GDP=$7.8 trillion
Took GDP PPP because
GDP PPP= no. of products* constant price( say price in USA)
You are right that monitoring stations in India(39) is minimal compared to China(1500).. But your assumptions about India over polluted for decades is totally wrong.. Check NASA satellite images in 2005,2011& 2015.. Read Greenpeace clean air action plan report 2015..

okay, whatever, you inhale the air not I.
 
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Can't provide link as I am new here.. According to GoI 30% of GDP is from industrial output.. For China it's 40%..(2015)
30% of India's GDP= $2.4 trillion.
40% of Chinese GDP=$7.8 trillion
Took GDP PPP because
GDP PPP= no. of products* constant price( say price in USA)
You are right that monitoring stations in India(39) is minimal compared to China(1500).. But your assumptions about India over polluted for decades is totally wrong.. Check NASA satellite images in 2005,2011& 2015.. Read Greenpeace clean air action plan report 2015..
Ahhh...the Pee Pee Pee stats again, using this definition, no Indian is starving and India is an industrial power. Yet, funny how they have a 50 billion deficit with China. Pee Pee Pee indeed...LOL

Sometimes, you have to marvel at the Indian mind of Bollywood imagination with rolling hills and dancing couples. Reality it seems, is an abstract concept, such is the genius of a typical indy mind.
 
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Can't provide link as I am new here.. According to GoI 30% of GDP is from industrial output.. For China it's 40%..(2015)
30% of India's GDP= $2.4 trillion.
40% of Chinese GDP=$7.8 trillion
Took GDP PPP because
GDP PPP= no. of products* constant price( say price in USA)
You are right that monitoring stations in India(39) is minimal compared to China(1500).. But your assumptions about India over polluted for decades is totally wrong.. Check NASA satellite images in 2005,2011& 2015.. Read Greenpeace clean air action plan report 2015..
Just checked
Never knew average Chinese was exposed to over 0.6 in 2011
And our pollution exposure is rising
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http://www.greenpeace.org/eastasia/Global/eastasia/publications/reports/climate-energy/2016/Clean Air Action Plan, The way forward.pdf

Good job debunking dirty lies

@mirage @Mo12 @alwaysfair @Turingsage
Some data here that might interest you
 
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