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Delhi, where even China's pollution fades into insignificance

I think their problem is because of their inefficient power plants and low car emission standards. I remember reading that their first supercritical plant was only commissioned 2-3 years back? China's first was built 25 years ago. And now most Chinese plants are ultrasupercritical with 40+% efficiency
 
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I think their problem is because of their inefficient power plants and low car emission standards. I remember reading that their first supercritical plant was only commissioned 2-3 years back? China's first was built 25 years ago. And now most Chinese plants are ultrasupercritical with 40+% efficiency

Their energy and car consumption is very tiny. But it is probably one of the many reasons.
 
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Delhi, where even China's pollution fades into insignificance

Long in the smoggy, high-profile shadow of the poster-boy of pollution Beijing, Delhi has emerged as a rival to even the most acrid of choking megalopolises. Yet, just as in China, change is in the air

BY PALLAVI AIYAR
11 DEC 2016

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Indian Commuters on a Polluted Road in the Anand Vihar district of New Delhi. Photo : AFP

Having grown up in perennially polluted New Delhi, smoggy skies were so unremarkable to me that I didn’t even notice anything was awry in Beijing for years after moving there. Till a spring morning in 2006.

It was an ordinary start to the day in most respects. I ate a quick breakfast of jian bing, crispy dough and egg pancakes brushed with a spicy sauce, and then made my way to my study. It was only when I looked out of the window above my desk that I realised this was anything but an ordinary morning. I blinked hard, gasping in wonder at the apparition: a cerulean blue sky, punctuated by the sweep of rolling hills. For the 10 months I had lived in this apartment, the view from my study had only revealed the low, tiled rooftops of the courtyard homes that clustered around our complex, and beyond that a patch of turbid sky that varied only in its shades of grey. The appearance of the hills felt magical, except it was not magic, merely the absence of air pollution.

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Beijing City view

Before that moment, I don’t think I had really “seen” the dirty air in China. My first few years in Beijing only evoke romanticised nostalgia. I remember the summers as hot and languid. The autumn was short and crisp, the streets layered with fallen leaves the colours of sunset. Winter conjures images of candied crab apple vendors and fearsome winds from Siberia. In spring the hot-cold sand of the Gobi Desert blanketed the city in gritty orange. It was on this seasonal occurrence that most of the local conversation on pollution used to be focused.

Rich-country expats certainly muttered aplenty about Beijing’s toxic air but my reaction to these were initially akin to that of most Chinese themselves: dismissal as overblown first-world concerns. In China, as in India, the general attitude even to days when the skies were thick enough to cut with a knife was to associate the griminess with weather phenomena like fog and sandstorms, rather than pollution.

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Beijing City view

In China the tipping point that shifted both awareness of – and attitudes to – air pollution was the 2008 Olympic Games. In the run-up, Beijing went into construction overdrive to retool itself with Olympics-worthy infrastructure, plunging the city into a years-long haze of construction dust. Meanwhile, after having gawped at the successes of China’s history-defying Red Capitalism for years, many foreign journalists found the Olympics a perfect opportunity to hold the Chinese authorities to account for their numerous failings, from media censorship to corruption. Pollution bestrode coverage of the Games, dwarfing everything else. Beijing’s air quality became the litmus test for the Communist Party’s willingness to modify its policy of sacrificing all at the altar of economic growth.

Beijing’s poor air was the result of compound factors ranging from vehicular to industrial sources. But it was exacerbated by unhelpful geography, a feature that Beijing shares with Delhi. The Chinese capital has mountain ranges to its north and west, which prevent the pollution drawn in from the industrial townships to its east and south from escaping.

Also, low temperatures in the winter create an inversion layer, a phenomenon mirrored in Delhi, so that cold air bands get pressed under a warmer air mass, trapping pollutants close to the ground.

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Beijing City view

As I began to engage with China’s degraded environment as a reporter, the parallel of Delhi’s smoggy skies became harder to ignore. Every Christmas holiday I returned home to putrid air that left my eyes smarting and throat aching as much as anything I had experienced in China.

Yet, whenever I raised the issue with friends, I was met with blank stares or eye-rolling intended to indicate how much of a ‘foreigner’ I had become

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Indian teenagers play cricket in a park as heavy smog covers New Delhi in November 2016.

Be it China’s authoritarian political context or India’s chaotic democratic
channelling one’s inner ostrich when it comes to air pollution is a universal affliction in developing Asian countries. To understand what from a rich-country perspective is the developing world’s peculiar obduracy in reacting to pollution, one must take into consideration the fact that many Beijingers and Delhiites will die prematurely or suffer long years of bad health regardless of air pollution. They must grapple with a long list of possible ills including typhoid, dengue, tuberculosis and malnutrition, before becoming overly concerned with the cardiovascular implications of exposure to toxic air.

Yet, greater awareness can, when the information is dire enough and perceived as such, eventually lead to change, a process that, by the time of the Olympics, had clearly begun in China. According to the UN Environment Programme, US$17 billion was spent on environmental projects between 2001 and 2008. By the time of the Olympics, 90 per cent of the city’s waste water was treated (compared to only about 40 per cent in Delhi at present). New roads, railway and metro lines had been built to encourage an alternative to cars. The number of public buses doubled to 20,000 between 1991 and 2007. Over 200 polluting industries (including cement, lime, brick and coke) were relocated outside the city and more than 16,000 small coal-fired boilers were converted to natural gas.

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Beijing City view

Arguably the most significant environmental legacy of the Games was an increase in the awareness of the terrible, pollution-related problems that China faced. The media attention garnered by air pollution made the dirty air visible to residents in a way that years of actually living with heavy particulate matter had not managed.

On a personal level, my relationship with pollution became more adversarial after my son was born, a month after the Games. First-time parenthood engendered a siege mentality in me.

I began to navigate the quotidian as though under attack, spotting enemy forces in the food we ate, in the water, in the milk and in the air.

As my boy approached six months of age, he began wheezing like a grandma on a mountaineering expedition. He was diagnosed with a lower respiratory disorder, bronchiolitis, that our paediatrician said was common in babies born in Beijing. Our nights became nightmarish as we stayed up watching over our child gasping even in his sleep.

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Indian runners take part in the New Delhi 10K Challenge amid heavy smog in November 2016. Photo: AFP

A few months later we moved to Brussels, the Belgian capital, where my husband began a new job. Our son, now 8 years old, has never experienced any respiratory symptoms since.

The ability to up and move is a deep privilege. Those from that often-annoying demographic, the expatriate, have choices that most locals do not. They have resources, in terms of both information and money, that most locals do not. Most importantly, they have an exit. I well appreciated why expats moaning about pollution could feel so egregious to those for whom toxic air was not just a hardship posting, but life.

This divide between the ‘tourists’ and those serving a life sentence in the acrid megalopolises of the developing world is the unfair result of the throw of some cosmic dice. Yet the role of the foreign community in drawing attention to the health effects of air pollution, and in creating knowledge of the ways to mitigate pollution’s worst effects (through the use of air purifiers, masks, pollution-monitoring devices, etc), was crucial in Beijing, as it would be in Delhi later.

In 2014 I returned to China, visiting Beijing and Tianjin for a World Economic Forum summit. While the Westerners in our group had come prepared with face masks, the Indians kept squinting into the smog, perplexed. I was repeatedly approached by the Indian participants about whether ‘this’ – the air outside our conference centre – was what all the fuss was about.

‘But, this is nothing’

“But, this is nothing,” they would say in bewilderment. I giggled. It reminded me of my own reactions as a novice reporter in China. On field trips with Western colleagues into the country’s interior, everyone would be agitatedly reporting on the dire poverty, when all I could think on beholding the decently clothed, electric fan-owning ‘poor’ was, ‘This? But, this is nothing.’

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Indian groundstaff prepare a stairway for the arrival of an aircraft carrying Britain's Prime Minister Theresa May at a smog covered Palam Technical Airport in New Delhi in November 2016. Photo: AFP

Until very recently the China-oriented “airenfreude”, so common in Western media, was prevalent in India as well. But India has been choking even worse.
According to Nasa satellite data, PM 2.5 levels across India rose by 13 per cent between 2010 and 2015, while China’s fell by 17 per cent. Last year was the first time the average Indian was exposed to more particulate matter than the average Chinese. In 2014, a World Health Organisation study ranked Delhi as the world’s most polluted city. Neither Beijing nor any other Chinese city even figured in the top 20, but 13 Indian cities did.
yet another propaganda article , i can post many photos , and even ask my chinese friends on QQ to send me some horrific photos of beijing vizaviz pollution and specially air pollution . https://nottmagazine.com/2015/06/14/urban-rural-divide-in-china/ and i can post many such websites which show the real face of china apart from propaganda which xinhua news agency is busy doing always ,. the photos they posted belong to the industrial area of outer delhi . stop that propaganda , both Bharat and china are developing countries https://bigfattourist.wordpress.com/2013/10/19/best-and-worst-of-beijing/ ....... http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/beijing-smog-pictures-before-after-6973550
 
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There are a number of reasons for the terrible pollution in India. With the constant blackouts caused by poor power supply a lot of the wealthier people and businesses have their own pollution belching backup generators running on dirty fuels.

Also the rubbish on the streets just pile up and lazy government workers and even civilians just sweep it into piles and burn it.

I cant imagine how bad things will be once industrialization really does take place in India.

Just too many people out of control and unregulated. @Bussard Ramjet. Less people = less environmental impact.
 
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Wow, that hurts LOL, i thought our Indian friends has been telling us stories of how terrible is "China's pollution" and now.....:wacko:
To OP, Indians reaction to your thread=
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and India does not have many industries. but I'm sure their pollution guru can perform an ancient India invented Havan to clean the dirty air by burning sacrificial things for hundreds of Hindu gods to make them happy



There are a number of reasons for the terrible pollution in India. With the constant blackouts caused by poor power supply a lot of the wealthier people and businesses have their own pollution belching backup generators running on dirty fuels.

Also the rubbish on the streets just pile up and lazy government workers and even civilians just sweep it into piles and burn it.

I cant imagine how bad things will be once industrialization really does take place in India.

Just too many people out of control and unregulated. @Bussard Ramjet. Less people = less environmental impact.
wrong! more people according to our PDF Population expert Ramjet will ease pollution and create a population dividend to exploit less resources. in a way you can have 50 Indians do 1 person's job!

I think their problem is because of their inefficient power plants and low car emission standards. I remember reading that their first supercritical plant was only commissioned 2-3 years back? China's first was built 25 years ago. And now most Chinese plants are ultrasupercritical with 40+% efficiency
overpopulation and lack of hygiene. garbage and shit everywhere on the streets. open defacation doesn't help either
 
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yet another propaganda article , i can post many photos , and even ask my chinese friends on QQ to send me some horrific photos of beijing vizaviz pollution and specially air pollution . https://nottmagazine.com/2015/06/14/urban-rural-divide-in-china/ and i can post many such websites which show the real face of china apart from propaganda which xinhua news agency is busy doing always ,. the photos they posted belong to the industrial area of outer delhi . stop that propaganda , both Bharat and china are developing countries https://bigfattourist.wordpress.com/2013/10/19/best-and-worst-of-beijing/ ....... http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/beijing-smog-pictures-before-after-6973550
In India to become a "super power" in the publicity. India does not take itself as a developing country.
In the case of India is still in the agricultural state, the pollution has been very serious, so, when India became an industrialized country?.... Take care.
 

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yet another propaganda article , i can post many photos , and even ask my chinese friends on QQ to send me some horrific photos of beijing vizaviz pollution and specially air pollution . https://nottmagazine.com/2015/06/14/urban-rural-divide-in-china/ and i can post many such websites which show the real face of china apart from propaganda which xinhua news agency is busy doing always ,. the photos they posted belong to the industrial area of outer delhi . stop that propaganda , both Bharat and china are developing countries https://bigfattourist.wordpress.com/2013/10/19/best-and-worst-of-beijing/ ....... http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/beijing-smog-pictures-before-after-6973550
Don't compare India to China, India is already a super power by 2012 according to its fantastic president
 
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China's pollution is from industries.
You got the pollution, at the same time, you got the biggest steel consumption, biggest expressway/HSR construction, the most high-rises, biggest car industry, biggest *** industry....

And it can be controlled with the shifting focus of economy and maturing of the ongoing industrial/technological revolution.

But india's pollution is not primarily from industries.

They got the most number of top100 most polluted cities according to WHO 2016 database, but in return they get very few expressway, very little steel consumption, very little industrial output and very tiny manufacturing value-added.

They get little return and benefits though they suffer the most!
The situation there is so incredibly unorthodox: the routine is pollution comes from massive industrialisation, and pollution will alleviate gradually.

Pollution in india will be more and more serious when they really get their industry started off.
This is the sad part about India. India pollution future is going to get worse as they get closer to mature stage of industrializing.

For China, it is worth a price to pay for the all in a one-time era of pollution. Our future generation can look back and enjoy the fruit of today people sacrificing.
 
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This is normal with developing nations, China was like this too.
 
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In India to become a "super power" in the publicity. India does not take itself as a developing country.
In the case of India is still in the agricultural state, the pollution has been very serious, so, when India became an industrialized country?.... Take care.
Bharat is an industrialised country , though there are no sweatshop labor factories there . for more information , you can see made in india post in this forum . bye for now
 
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Now that's something i like to know as well. How can they pollute when there's near zero industry?
India is an primarily agrarian country with the most population working on the fields. Their industry is nearly non-existent, at least u don't see any major competitive products outside. Their labor law is non-existent, income is abysmal, though at the same time they claim they have 500 million middle class.

What is more shocking is the altitude from those overseas RSSers in this forum. They do not suffer from the most polluted cities in India (more than half of the top20 most polluted cities revealed in the WHO 2016 database) but they care more about China than their terribly polluted agrarian country (some of them refuse to go back even to have a look, their shoes might be polluted by the cow shits on the street).

Basically they get nothing in return from the pollution while we in China have ten years longer life expectancy, industrial products earning billions of dollars and the world's biggest expressway/HSR network.

This is normal with developing nations, China was like this too.
Pollution is normal for any major industrial country during the industrial transformation.

What is abnormal about India is that it has very small industrial output and manufacturing value added though suffering the most.
 
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This sort of article is very tame if you see the type of news programs on Indian tv channels concerning pollution.
Actually anti pollution actions started in Delhi more than a decade ago under judicial orders.
First was the closing of all industrial units in Delhi and relocation to outskirts.
Second was replacement of all fossil fuel 3 wheelers with LNG powered ones.
All had to be court ordered because no government wants to be unpopular by taking necessary steps here .
WRT article , reinforcement of the main public transport system which is the diesel powered buses with the metro which started in 2002 and is now 200 km . To be extended to 350 km by 2017. It carries 2.7 million passangers now everyday. Imagine them using buses.
Main polluters are construction and burning of crops in neighbouring states.
No easy solutions here.
Maybe our Chinese members can give some constructive suggestions.
 
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Bharat is an industrialised country , though there are no sweatshop labor factories there . for more information , you can see made in india post in this forum . bye for now
Industrialized? What industrial products super power India exports competitively, except few sweat shop by western masters? Still deficit to China 60 billions, and increasing every year

In delusional rss minds, China achieved trade advantage by sweat shops, and they are more technologically dominant, high up in the value chain
 
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