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We have roughly 10 Mig-21 sqds and by 2020 they can be replaced completely with 4-5 MKI sqds+ 2 Tejas sqds+ 3 Rafale sqds.
Though I agree that Mig-27s will fly till 2024-25 as we have no option to which we can replace them earlier.
 
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Will ever IAF going to buy the 200 Rafaels directly? along with Scorpions directly from France???
MMrca contract terms already decided Problems are with Funds Quota which is over for this Accounting year.
 
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We have roughly 10 Mig-21 sqds and by 2020 they can be replaced completely with 4-5 MKI sqds+ 2 Tejas sqds+ 3 Rafale sqds.
Though I agree that Mig-27s will fly till 2024-25 as we have no option to which we can replace them earlier.

Question is how many pilots of ours do we want to see dead before that happens. come on, our government needs to get its priorities right it should be not too hard to set things in motion.
 
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Question is how many pilots of ours do we want to see dead before that happens. come on, we our government gets our priorities right it should be not too hard to set things in motion.
Thats the sad truth. At best we can hope that new BJP govt will show concerns about existing deals and fast trak existing projects the way Atal Ji did in past with Tejas program and ATV project.
 
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We have roughly 10 Mig-21 sqds and by 2020 they can be replaced completely with 4-5 MKI sqds+ 2 Tejas sqds+ 3 Rafale sqds.
Though I agree that Mig-27s will fly till 2024-25 as we have no option to which we can replace them earlier.
Bro, the IAF has already said they plan on all MiG 21s and 27s out of service by 2019 beginning in 2017. The MiG-27s weren't even extensive upgrades and weren't re-engined for this very reason (IAF wants them gone).
 
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Bro, the IAF has already said they plan on all MiG 21s and 27s out of service by 2019 beginning in 2017. The MiG-27s weren't even extensive upgrades and weren't re-engined for this very reason (IAF wants them gone).
@Abingdonboy why don't we buying more Mirage-2000 fill the gap we are facing.:undecided::undecided: At-least it will increase some timeline to fill the gap
 
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Bro, the IAF has already said they plan on all MiG 21s and 27s out of service by 2019 beginning in 2017. The MiG-27s weren't even extensive upgrades and weren't re-engined for this very reason (IAF wants them gone).
Okay. That means Bisons will serve us beyond 2020.
We have roughly 280 Migs(21s and 27s) in total to be replaced and by 2020 we can only deliver ~160 new aircrafts (70 mkis+40 tejas+50 Rafale).
 
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Okay. That means Bisons will serve us beyond 2020.
We have roughly 280 Migs(21s and 27s) in total to be replaced and by 2020 we can only deliver ~160 new aircrafts (70 mkis+40 tejas+50 Rafale).
The Bisons will stick around until around 2022/3.

@Abingdonboy why don't we buying more Mirage-2000 fill the gap we are facing.:undecided::undecided: At-least it will increase some timeline to fill the gap
The IAF is not interested in a) buying second hand a/c with limited life left in them in large quantities. there was news that the IAF might buy 2-3 second hand twin seat M2Ks to replace the ones lost in crashes a couple of years back) b) adding yet ANOTHER type to be inducted in the next 5 or so years (MKI, LCA, Rafale will all be being in different stages of induction in the next 24 months with the FGFA on top of that by 2020 or so). Yes the IAF is familiar with the M2K but that is not reason enough to go for some second hand Mirages.
 
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The IAF is not interested in a) buying second hand a/c with limited life left in them in large quantities. there was news that the IAF might buy 2-3 second hand twin seat M2Ks to replace the ones lost in crashes a couple of years back) b) adding yet ANOTHER type to be inducted in the next 5 or so years (MKI, LCA, Rafale will all be being in different stages of induction in the next 24 months with the FGFA on top of that by 2020 or so). Yes the IAF is familiar with the M2K but that is not reason enough to go for some second hand Mirages.

That's not correct, they were interested in buying the Qatari Mirage 2000-5s earlier, but they asked for too high costs, it needs to be seen if we make another try when they go for a new fighter.
 
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That's not correct, they were interested in buying the Qatari Mirage 2000-5s earlier, but they asked for too high costs, it needs to be seen if we make another try when they go for a new fighter.
high cost is not more than Lives of Are brave Officers who are Flying Coffins and Put there Life on Stake Every day
 
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In 2011, the Eurofighter consortium published the roadmap for future capabilities and I made the following post, comparing their roadmap, with the capabilities of the Rafale F3+ and the MMRCA requirements, but it's time to take a new look at it and at what has changed in the meantime:

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For the Rafale, the changes to the F3R standard clearly went to be a disadvantage for India, Meteor integration or the development of an advanced targeting pod were delayed further back, long range weapons that were suppose to be / could be added like the AASM 1000 or the AASM 125 are still not ordered or funded for integration. The Brimstone ATGM was requested, but too high integration costs removed it from the list as well and the IRST that was available back then, is now only an option, just like the HMS remains to be an option.
The result is, that the Rafale F3+ got worse in 5 categories, while improving only in 1 (SATCOM)!

At the same time the EF, finished it's phase 1 enhancements, is integrating Meteor and cruise missiles, will start Brimstone integration by next year, while AESA, CFTs and SPEAR 3 missiles are under development, but not funded yet.

With the MMRCA timeline slipped and a first delivery is likely only by 2018, these older standards doesn't fit anymore and MoD / IAF have to check what the fighters can provide by the new timeline:

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Rafale remains in the lead, but only to a smaller margin (only AASM 250 as a stand off weapon and that only if the production remains, IRST, HMS and CFT optional only with own funding) compared the to difference during the evaluations, while the EF can catch up or even surpass Rafale in certain areas (AESA can be available by then for export customers, CM capability for short ranges, better CAS, IRST and HMS available).
 
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No 13-14 the Accounting year End on 31 March 2014 this year. Next Accounting year will be start from there On
But now it nearly June 2014 and they have money now.
 
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But now it nearly June 2014 and they have money now.
Govt is hardly 3 days old so have patience mate. Today Defence Minister took a look at these issues by the way.
 
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