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Btw, there is an old test with heavy config from Flight. 3x 2000L, 2 Scalps, 4 Mica. Mach 0.6 to 0.9 35 secs, roll rate 150°, up to 5.2g
nice high aoa manouvers btw.At the Paris Air Show in 1997, the Rafale made a flight display with that config:
(min 8:36 onwards)
That is a very good news ......
Some nice things to take away from this article:
-Preliminary contract should/will be signed within 45 days (meaning first deliveries of Rafales in early 2017 are assured).While nothing can ever be confirmed in the world of defense procurement in India till the ink dries on paper, it is becoming increasingly clear that a basic contract will be signed with Dassault Aviation in the next 45 days for the MMRCA. This is simply because the 45 day election morotarium starts on Feb 15, we are being told.
HAL will be in the picture as the RFP clearly says, and we are also hearing some large private companies are in the picture for supplying aerostructures.
Even as the AgustaWestland deal has been cancelled, a source tells us: “The government wants to ensure Dassault gets the contract so that the deal cannot be questioned by subsequent governments.” We are also hearing internal discussions on the basic contract have been completed by the IAF.
Why would you nessercarily jump to this conclusion? It's not like the GoI/MoD have spent the last 2 years sat around drawing up such unappealing terms for themselves. And in the light of recent export failures for Dassualt, India is in a strong bargaining position.Not necessarily.
What if the initial contract will guarantee that we will buy Rafale without the counter guarantee that they will provide all necessary ToT ? ...a contract without any exit strategy ?
Its not like it has not been done before.
Why would you nessercarily jump to this conclusion? It's not like the GoI/MoD have spent the last 2 years sat around drawing up such unappealing terms for themselves. And in the light of recent export failures for Dassualt, India is in a strong bargaining position.
can u pls throw some light on Indianised Rafale vs say french Rafale in terms of armaments, costs like life cycle and operating costs..
One dummy question: if by far India becomes say the only customer of rafale or largest operator outside France, would it be prudent that we go for a say tie up which helps both the countries to evolve Rafale even more in future.. if so whats the possible evolution in Rafale u all believe could be possible.
The MMRCA RFP requires HMS and IRST, both are not included in French latest Rafales. We also heared that the Mirage 2000 upgrade includes SPICE 2000 PGMs, which makes it likely to be added to Rafale too, a common LDP is also likely for both fighters.
We have seen reports from US and Russia, that offered weapons for the Indian Rafale, but I didn't saw an IAF official asking for an ARM. With the availability of Russian ARM at Mig 29UPGs or MKIs and the development for an indian ARM started, it actually would be a waste of money to integrate a Russian or US ARM to Rafale now, but lets wait and see.
Some say wrt upgrades (MLU I guess) will be there for sure, but imo that is too less. Both sides should had focused on a real partnership on the Rafale, which would have added far more potential to the fighter and joint developments, instead of indianization Rafale for IAF specifically.
In a partnership, the PDL NG for example could be jointly developed, which reduces the development and unit costs, gains India with technology transfer and could jointly be sold to potential export customers! IF India however will add the Israeli Litening pod, none of the potential Gulf countries, that might want to buy Rafale could buy it.
Same potential can be seen at joint NG HMS, IRST, EW, or even missile developments based on the Maitri SAM / MICA VL co-development.
I guess we are too distracted by LCA and FGFA, while the French side (mainly Dassault) is not eager to see India as a real partner.
Btw do u see a dedicated say 20 aircrafts of Rafale for placement under SFC for nuclear strike? if so how many say Brahmos Mini it can carry or what kind of weapon it may have?
As such what i understand the failure of this deal is not acceptable to both french and indian side.. and they both need it both at political as well as economical sides..
If it's up to IAF, we will take the optional once and icrease the numbers from France, to counter falling squad numbers. But with the high cost, LCA MK2 aimed on production at the same time as Rafale in India and FGFA coming only a few years later, all of them could be used to add squads and LCA would be far cheaper, while more FGFA adds clear technological and operational advantages.
would nt it be a prudent business sense to make India a strategic partner...Meaning a sweet deal which India cant close its eyes at all and ensure that Rafale reaches a similar number like Su 30 MKIs.