Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions

[ptltejas]

The title of this thread must be

The Frustration Thread.

Just Fort Night Guys. we shall get news and Gov will decide it. st. Antony is there.

Just cheeled All buddy.

well I like Hybrib plane body of euro fighter. engine euro fighter. spectra of rafale. screen touch display of typhoon. Aesa radar. voice control and system that not permit pilot maneuvers beyond limit typhoon. ground fight capability rafale. Hybrid or mixture of good of both will be best :thumb:

 

[Kadamba]

India reviews bids in $11 billion fighter jet deal

NEW DELHI: India's Defense Ministry has begun reviewing competing bids from Eurofighter and Dassault for the purchase of 126 multi-role combat aircraft worth about $11 billion.

Ministry spokesman Sitanshu Kar said officials met with representatives of the European competitors on Friday and are expected to take six to eight weeks to pick the winning bidder. Eurofighter is offering its Typhoon aircraft while Dassault's bid is for its Rafale.

Planes from Boeing Co. and Lockheed Martin of the United States and from Russian and Swedish makers were earlier disqualified on technical and operational grounds.

India, the world's biggest arms importer, is being wooed by major international arms manufacturers as it replaces its obsolete Soviet-era weapons.

Eighteen fighter aircraft are to be delivered in ``fly away'' condition within 36 months and the remaining 108 are to be built by state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. through technology transfers.

The deal is expected to be signed before the end of India's current financial year in March.

The ministry's price negotiating committee will now determine the cost of the planes, their on-board weaponry, technology transfers, warranty for the first 24 months and royalties for their licensed manufacture by Hindustan Aeronautics, said Rahul Bedi, a New Delhi-based analyst for the independent Jane's Information Group.

Bedi said the actual number of fighters is expected to rise above 200 as the air force desperately seeks to augment its rapidly shrinking fighter squadrons as Soviet and Russian planes reach obsolescence.

India reviews bids in $11 billion fighter jet deal - The Economic Times

May god give Anthony Sahab the power to handle the babus/politicians properly so as to ensure no scam takes place this time.

 

[Doctor09]

oye bhai logo agar rafale nai mil raha tu tab tak hamara thunder ura kar shoq pura kar lu ........
i wish your MOD reject rafale so that France will come back to Pakistan and give us some good deals

 

[Imran Khan]

expected to take six to eight weeks to pick the winning bidder.

ok see you again after 3 months dear

 

[ptltejas]

-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) were opened here on Friday by the Defence Ministry in the presence of the representatives of two contenders including Rafale (France) and Eurofighter (consortium of UK, Germany, Spain and Italy).

However, the lowest bidder amongst the two will emerge after six to eight weeks after the Contract Negotiation Committee(CNC) of the Defence Ministry comprising officials of directorate of acquisition, IAF and defence finance scrutinises the price quoted by the competitors.

The contract is likely to fructify before the end of the current financial year after intense negotiations and clearance by the finance ministry and Cabinet Committee on Security(CCS) headed by the prime minister.

The basic unit price and some other broad details quoted by the two competitors were announced in the presence of the two contenders, sources said adding life cycle cost will be a major consideration in determining the winner. The life cycle cost, factored into a defence contract in India for the first time, includes the performance of the aircraft over a span of more than 40 years and nearly 8,000 hours of flying.

Defence ministry spokesman Sitanshu Kar said commercial bids were opened by the CNC. The defence ministry will now examine and evaluate the bids to arrive at the lowest bidder, he said.
Kar, however, refrained from disclosing the unit price and said confidentiality clause is applicable to all the stake holders in the proposed deal including the bureaucrats, vendors and IAF officers.

Explaining the time taken for announcing the lowest bidder, they said the defence ministry will go through more than 1,000 documents submitted by both the bidders. These documents will cover the price of all items ranging from engine to spare parts, avionics and weaponry and a thorough study is needed before taking a decision, sources said


The government has set a bench mark figure for the contract but the vendors were not informed about it on Friday, sources said adding the initial contract price was set at Rs. 42,000 crore in 2007. Given inflation and other factors, the proposed deal has already touched Rs. 48,000 crore plus mark and the government can provide more money if need be, they said.


dailypioneer.com/nation/18039-ministry-opens-bids-for-combat-aircraft-deal.html

 

[Paan Singh]

-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) were opened here on Friday by the Defence Ministry in the presence of the representatives of two contenders including Rafale (France) and Eurofighter (consortium of UK, Germany, Spain and Italy).

However, the lowest bidder amongst the two will emerge after six to eight weeks after the Contract Negotiation Committee(CNC) of the Defence Ministry comprising officials of directorate of acquisition, IAF and defence finance scrutinises the price quoted by the competitors.

The contract is likely to fructify before the end of the current financial year after intense negotiations and clearance by the finance ministry and Cabinet Committee on Security(CCS) headed by the prime minister.

The basic unit price and some other broad details quoted by the two competitors were announced in the presence of the two contenders, sources said adding life cycle cost will be a major consideration in determining the winner. The life cycle cost, factored into a defence contract in India for the first time, includes the performance of the aircraft over a span of more than 40 years and nearly 8,000 hours of flying.

Defence ministry spokesman Sitanshu Kar said commercial bids were opened by the CNC. The defence ministry will now examine and evaluate the bids to arrive at the lowest bidder, he said.

Kar, however, refrained from disclosing the unit price and said confidentiality clause is applicable to all the stake holders in the proposed deal including the bureaucrats, vendors and IAF officers.

Explaining the time taken for announcing the lowest bidder, they said the defence ministry will go through more than 1,000 documents submitted by both the bidders. These documents will cover the price of all items ranging from engine to spare parts, avionics and weaponry and a thorough study is needed before taking a decision, sources said

The government has set a bench mark figure for the contract but the vendors were not informed about it on Friday, sources said adding the initial contract price was set at Rs. 42,000 crore in 2007. Given inflation and other factors, the proposed deal has already touched Rs. 48,000 crore plus mark and the government can provide more money if need be, they said.


dailypioneer.com/nation/18039-ministry-opens-bids-for-combat-aircraft-deal.html

hitwall:
you raped my eyes

 

[Imran Khan]

oye bhai logo agar rafale nai mil raha tu tab tak hamara thunder ura kar shoq pura kar lu ........
i wish your MOD reject rafale so that France will come back to Pakistan and give us some good deals

tum yaar doctor ho phir bhi zakhmoo per namak lagaty ho?

 

[ptltejas]

hitwall:
you raped my eyes

come on man mistake of mathine.

Lagta he neend udadi MOD ne .....

 

[Doctor09]

tum yaar doctor ho phir bhi zakhmoo per namak lagaty ho?

abi ishaq k imtehan r b hain Imran bhai yeah tu ibtada hai .......

Imran bhai is baat ka matlab kiya hai :The defence ministry will now examine and evaluate the bids to arrive at the lowest bidder
i think sasta jahaz lainay ka irada hai inka ... what you think which cheapest aircraft will be best for them ?

 

[Storm Force]

DOCTOR LOL

Yeah rafale at $90m each

 

[Mughal-Prince]

Arrrrggggggggg OObhai khuda kay liyaya kuch tau khareed lo yarr Qasam say rula diya pata nahin kub say main esay parh raha hoon ... bari strong nerves hain jinhon nay bid kiya hai ...



Bhai yeh tau Aikta Kapoor kay dramay say bhi lumbi ho gai hai ... ab without ending khatum na ho jaiyaya ... warna main pagal ho jaoon ga

 

[Vimana]

I already told you guys Eurofighter will win why you need official confirmation is my word not good enough?

 

[Imran Khan]

abi ishaq k imtehan r b hain Imran bhai yeah tu ibtada hai .......

Imran bhai is baat ka matlab kiya hai :The defence ministry will now examine and evaluate the bids to arrive at the lowest bidder
i think sasta jahaz lainay ka irada hai inka ... what you think which cheapest aircraft will be best for them ?

o bhai they already decide it its now time waste for more kickbacks samjha ker yaar hathi ke dant khany ke or dikhany ke or

---------- Post added at 12:14 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:12 AM ----------

DOCTOR LOL

Yeah rafale at $90m each

lol storm

he quite what your mighty minister said

 

[sancho]

Indians seriously need to look at their procurement methods

Not necessarily, because MMRCA wasn't re issued like the LUH or tanker competitions because of issues with the planning, but because the priority of MoD/GoI changed! The older MRCA was aimed on a fighter for IAF that should be cheap, cost-effective and fast to induct, that's why they prefered the M2K-5, but MoD understood that this is a big chance not only for IAF to get new fighters, but also to get more industrial benefits! That's why MMRCA has nearly an equally high prioirty on industrial points, as on techinical points of the fighters. So they purposly took the risk of delays, higher costs and slower replacement of the Mig 21s, to get way more they would have got in the older competition too.
A difficult game, but totally worth it and the right decision imo at least!

I just don't get it....i mean the finalist 2 were selected in March-April then why the hell MOD waited till November just to open the bids ? Can anyone throw some lights on this ?

The trials took so long, that the comercial bids had to be renewed and the same will happen if there is no final decision this year, so that came in between, but please keep in mind that comparing these bids, the offsets, or the technical offers is highly complex and will need time. MoD/IAF so far showed a lot of professionalism like many reports from the vendors confirmed.

Rafale only has UAE and Brazil chance to win

UAE (no other competitior) 60 x fighters
Swiss (according the evaluation, the best fighter) 22 x fighters
Brazil (prefered by all governmeant officials, but too costly for them at the moment) 36 + 24 for the navy, + possibly up to 100 for the air force
Malaysia, Kuwait, Qatar...,

EF at the moment has only chances in Japan, Malaysia and Qatar, although reports say it was rejected in Japan (not official yet) and the chances in Qatar are very low, since they operate the Mirage 2000 too. It should be obvious which fighter has a brighter future in regard to exports.

 

[sancho]

MMRCA fighter commercial bids opened in presence of reps from @EADSgroup & #Dassault. Will take 6-8 weeks to detemine lowest bidder.

Source : Livefist

10-27-2011 09:27 AM

They will open the bids on 4th nov, but won't decide the winner then. IAF hopes for a final decision by dec, media by early next year. We have no choice than wait and see.