Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[Kinetic]

Meteor is truly a game changer missing.

 

[Hamoon]

the meteor missile is a deadly weapon

Especially when India going to have it. Still the best BVR missile in this world is AM-120.

 

[wiseone2]

Especially when India going to have it. Still the best BVR missile in this world is AM-120.

it is not a given India will acquire it

 

[T90TankGuy]

Sir,
Can you please delete the thread here and instead post it in sticky. It would help to collate all data at one place.

Dont think i can do that , but maybe @waz or @WAJsal can you guys do it please.?

 

[Hamoon]

it is not a given India will acquire it

Deal confirmed or just speculations like 6 or 7 years back, every week Indian members jumps on online forum with some news related to the deal.

 

[wiseone2]

Deal confirmed or just speculations like 6 or 7 years back, every week Indian members jumps on online forum with some news related to the deal.

IAF would love to acquire. it is not clear the Europeans would sell

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Credit to @jbgt90

With Rafale, A Game-Changer Missile That Puts India Ahead Of China

As India and France get set to sign a Euro 7.87 billion contact for 36 French Rafale fighters, details are emerging on a previously undisclosed part of the deal, which will see India acquiring the Meteor, arguably the world's most advanced air-to-air missile.

Sources tracking the final negotiations have confirmed to NDTV that the IAF's Rafales will come equipped with the Meteor designed to knock out enemy aircraft and cruise missiles significantly more than 100 km away.

The acquisition of this weapon is likely to be game changer in South Asia. Neither Pakistan nor China, India's traditional military adversaries, possess a weapon of the same class.

The only other air-to-air missile as capable as the Meteor is the AIM-120D, the latest variant of the US Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile which is also designed to hit targets more than 100 km away.

Analysts, however, point out that the Meteor is likely to be significantly more capable
because of its ramjet engine.

According to War is Boring, a leading international website that explores high technology weapons systems, "A conventional solid-fuel booster accelerates the Meteor after launch, like most air-to-air missiles. But while roaring through the air, the missile opens up a chute, allowing air to rush into the engine, which heats up the oxygen and propels the supersonic missile to Mach 4 (four times the speed of sound)."


Engineers from the European firm MBDA, which builds the missile, have reportedly claimed that the Meteor has a "no escape zone" three times larger than that of the AIM 120D AMRAAM missile.

According to War is Boring, "the no-escape zone is an aerial combat term for a cone-shaped area determined by the missile's capabilities -- from where a targeted aircraft cannot escape solely using its own manoeuverability."

To survive the no escape zone, a fighter jet has to be able to jam the seeker of the incoming missile or deceive it by firing chaff, strips of metal foil released in the air to obstruct radar detection.

At the moment, India and France are finalising details of the Inter-governmental agreement on India's acquisition of the Rafale. A French team, currently in Delhi, is reviewing the contract which runs into several thousand pages.

Once this document is firmed up, the file goes back to the Cabinet Committee on Security for final approval, which, at this stage, is likely to be a formality.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi had announced that India would be acquiring 36 Rafale fighter jets from France in an off-the-shelf purchase when he visited France in April last year. Deliveries of the fighter are likely to begin in 2019. Sharp differences between Indian and French price negotiators meant that neither side was able to achieve a breakthrough till now.

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/with...na-exclusive-1458726?pfrom=home-lateststories

 

[Ali Zadi]

That missile has a very good "No Escape Zone" thats the biggest feature of this missile over any other. Also the range of this thing has not been officially listed, Most say 100+ while others say 150-160km.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

French Airshow ‏@FrenchAirshowTV 37m37 minutes ago
Meeting Aerien Roanne 2016

 

[kaykay]

That missile has a very good "No Escape Zone" thats the biggest feature of this missile over any other. Also the range of this thing has not been officially listed, Most say 100+ while others say 150-160km.

Very true. Also just to inform that new Derby-ER( Tejas will use it) is excellent too...with its second kick capability, It has no escape zone of 80% of that of Meteor with one third of its cost....

 

[PARIKRAMA]

What i said about Meteor

https://defence.pk/threads/dassault...ussions-thread-2.351407/page-297#post-8544956

 

[Abingdonboy]

Very true. Also just to inform that new Derby-ER( Tejas will use it) is excellent too...with its second kick capability, It has no escape zone of 80% of that of Meteor with one third of its cost....

What i said about Meteor

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https://defence.pk/threads/dassault...ussions-thread-2.351407/page-297#post-8544956

Any indication which BVRAAM will be part of the Super MKI upgrade, METEOR or DERBY-ER?

 

[Picdelamirand-oil]

Any indication which BVRAAM will be part of the Super MKI upgrade, METEOR or DERBY-ER?

R 37

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Any indication which BVRAAM will be part of the Super MKI upgrade, METEOR or DERBY-ER?

Officially first choice is R37 from PAKFA stable. But there is a ULBVR AAM which will be inked soon. The indications are its Meteor as a Request was made to understand such a customization cost. Derby ER will be restricted to the fleet sporting either an Israeli radar or compatible US radars in case so called LWF gets selected (Derby + Derby ER +Python 5 in F16s)

 

[Abingdonboy]

Officially first choice is R37 from PAKFA stable. But there is a ULBVR AAM which will be inked soon. The indications are its Meteor as a Request was made to understand such a customization cost. Derby ER will be restricted to the fleet sporting either an Israeli radar or compatible US radars in case so called LWF gets selected (Derby + Derby ER +Python 5 in F16s)

I assume the Derby-ER would be compatible with the DRDO's AESA radars?