Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[punit]

soon di maa ki aankh ! jaldi kar bhai.

 

[Ankit Kumar 002]

Actually it should be 18 months not 20

Will be good if it happens.

But at present no concrete source on which we can claim so.

soon di maa ki aankh ! jaldi kar bhai.

Expectations.. .
You may have it from Indian Railways , even with Indian Postal System , even with thieves...
But not with Indian Defence Procurement. Its SIN.

 

[ranjeet]

https://twitter.com/x/status/776058056505298944

 

[egodoc222]

http://m.timesofindia.com/india/Raf...-IGA-being-finalised/articleshow/54329425.cms

 

[BON PLAN]

I thing I can assure every one of is , the first airframe will be delivered only within 36 months from the date , " The first Tranche of Payment " is cleared from India.

No 20 months delivery time.

Dassault were able to give 3 Rafale to Egypt 6 months after sugning, and 3 more after 6 other months....

It's possible to do the same with India by taking some french dedicated planes on the line.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Dassault were able to give 3 Rafale to Egypt 6 months after sugning, and 3 more after 6 other months....

It's possible to do the same with India by taking some french dedicated planes on the line.

I'm not expecting this but it would be very exciting if this came to be, it would certainly be a huge boost for Dassualt's image in India (that has taken a hit thanks to competitor propaganda).


And if one remembers, the PM stated in Paris that these 36 were for the IAF's urgent requirements.

 

[R!CK]

https://twitter.com/x/status/776058056505298944

I fail to understand why they report Meteor purchase as a big surprise? Why don't they also say it comes with 2 engines as well?

Dassault were able to give 3 Rafale to Egypt 6 months after sugning, and 3 more after 6 other months....

It's possible to do the same with India by taking some french dedicated planes on the line.

This was possible because no other export order existed, so only French AF had to make a sacrifice. Right now we got French, Qatar and Egypt. While French may sacrifice further, we cant expect the same from other two customers. While I do expect deliveries before the 36 month standard, 3-6 months could be next to impossible. Another important factor being, Egypt choosing a very basic standard next to French, while Qatar and IAF requesting for more customization. The customized variants might require a slightly longer test regime for the first few aircraft. Anyways happy times ahead.

Good Day all!

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Looking at the tweets and breaking news over last 2-3 days, I wish most of the mainstream media could have looked into this thread and perhaps asked anyone of us all in a query. There is more information available here than what they believe is big and breaking. .. Everything is pooled here for such long time and yet i feel happy that finally its indicative that this Indian Defence section is a right place for all discussion, news and updates. (among all other peer forums)

 

[[Bregs]]

Looking at the tweets and breaking news over last 2-3 days, I wish most of the mainstream media could have looked into this thread and perhaps asked anyone of us all in a query. There is more information available here than what they believe is big and breaking. .. Everything is pooled here for such long time and yet i feel happy that finally its indicative that this Indian Defence section is a right place for all discussion, news and updates. (among all other peer forums)

lol true here news is much more in detail and is more credible and convincing technically

 

[Ankit Kumar 002]

Dassault were able to give 3 Rafale to Egypt 6 months after sugning, and 3 more after 6 other months....

It's possible to do the same with India by taking some french dedicated planes on the line.

When we are expecting an increase in MTOW of Indian Airframes , French airframes cannot be turned for IAF.

Else if specifications are similar, why not.

Both can not happen simultaneously.

 

[ashok321]

New Indo-French Agreement Needed To Finalize Rafale Deal

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/17...t_Needed_To_Finalize_Rafale_Deal#.V9mB_xCKTIV

 

[T90TankGuy]

With Rafale, A Game-Changer Missile That Puts India Ahead Of China

As India and France get set to sign a Euro 7.87 billion contact for 36 French Rafale fighters, details are emerging on a previously undisclosed part of the deal, which will see India acquiring the Meteor, arguably the world's most advanced air-to-air missile.

Sources tracking the final negotiations have confirmed to NDTV that the IAF's Rafales will come equipped with the Meteor designed to knock out enemy aircraft and cruise missiles significantly more than 100 km away.

The acquisition of this weapon is likely to be game changer in South Asia. Neither Pakistan nor China, India's traditional military adversaries, possess a weapon of the same class.

The only other air-to-air missile as capable as the Meteor is the AIM-120D, the latest variant of the US Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile which is also designed to hit targets more than 100 km away.

Analysts, however, point out that the Meteor is likely to be significantly more capable
because of its ramjet engine.

According to War is Boring, a leading international website that explores high technology weapons systems, "A conventional solid-fuel booster accelerates the Meteor after launch, like most air-to-air missiles. But while roaring through the air, the missile opens up a chute, allowing air to rush into the engine, which heats up the oxygen and propels the supersonic missile to Mach 4 (four times the speed of sound)."


Engineers from the European firm MBDA, which builds the missile, have reportedly claimed that the Meteor has a "no escape zone" three times larger than that of the AIM 120D AMRAAM missile.

According to War is Boring, "the no-escape zone is an aerial combat term for a cone-shaped area determined by the missile's capabilities -- from where a targeted aircraft cannot escape solely using its own manoeuverability."

To survive the no escape zone, a fighter jet has to be able to jam the seeker of the incoming missile or deceive it by firing chaff, strips of metal foil released in the air to obstruct radar detection.

At the moment, India and France are finalising details of the Inter-governmental agreement on India's acquisition of the Rafale. A French team, currently in Delhi, is reviewing the contract which runs into several thousand pages.

Once this document is firmed up, the file goes back to the Cabinet Committee on Security for final approval, which, at this stage, is likely to be a formality.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi had announced that India would be acquiring 36 Rafale fighter jets from France in an off-the-shelf purchase when he visited France in April last year. Deliveries of the fighter are likely to begin in 2019. Sharp differences between Indian and French price negotiators meant that neither side was able to achieve a breakthrough till now.

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/with...na-exclusive-1458726?pfrom=home-lateststories

 

[T90TankGuy]

Guys sorry for the bold text

 

[wiseone2]

With Rafale, A Game-Changer Missile That Puts India Ahead Of China

As India and France get set to sign a Euro 7.87 billion contact for 36 French Rafale fighters, details are emerging on a previously undisclosed part of the deal, which will see India acquiring the Meteor, arguably the world's most advanced air-to-air missile.

Sources tracking the final negotiations have confirmed to NDTV that the IAF's Rafales will come equipped with the Meteor designed to knock out enemy aircraft and cruise missiles significantly more than 100 km away.

The acquisition of this weapon is likely to be game changer in South Asia. Neither Pakistan nor China, India's traditional military adversaries, possess a weapon of the same class.

The only other air-to-air missile as capable as the Meteor is the AIM-120D, the latest variant of the US Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile which is also designed to hit targets more than 100 km away.

Analysts, however, point out that the Meteor is likely to be significantly more capable
because of its ramjet engine.

According to War is Boring, a leading international website that explores high technology weapons systems, "A conventional solid-fuel booster accelerates the Meteor after launch, like most air-to-air missiles. But while roaring through the air, the missile opens up a chute, allowing air to rush into the engine, which heats up the oxygen and propels the supersonic missile to Mach 4 (four times the speed of sound)."


Engineers from the European firm MBDA, which builds the missile, have reportedly claimed that the Meteor has a "no escape zone" three times larger than that of the AIM 120D AMRAAM missile.

According to War is Boring, "the no-escape zone is an aerial combat term for a cone-shaped area determined by the missile's capabilities -- from where a targeted aircraft cannot escape solely using its own manoeuverability."

To survive the no escape zone, a fighter jet has to be able to jam the seeker of the incoming missile or deceive it by firing chaff, strips of metal foil released in the air to obstruct radar detection.

At the moment, India and France are finalising details of the Inter-governmental agreement on India's acquisition of the Rafale. A French team, currently in Delhi, is reviewing the contract which runs into several thousand pages.

Once this document is firmed up, the file goes back to the Cabinet Committee on Security for final approval, which, at this stage, is likely to be a formality.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi had announced that India would be acquiring 36 Rafale fighter jets from France in an off-the-shelf purchase when he visited France in April last year. Deliveries of the fighter are likely to begin in 2019. Sharp differences between Indian and French price negotiators meant that neither side was able to achieve a breakthrough till now.

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/with...na-exclusive-1458726?pfrom=home-lateststories

the meteor missile is a deadly weapon

 

[T90TankGuy]

the meteor missile is a deadly weapon

I really wish they would just sign o the dotted line, some times price should not be a consideration but security and modernisation should be a priority .