Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[jha]

Single engine if a foreign engine is chosen. Twin engine if a HAL engine is chosen.



No. Based on Mig-21 and Marut.



6.5 tons empty. 3.5 tons fuel.



It won't affect the AMCA. But it will directly challenge the LCA Mk2 program, both AF LCA and N LCA.



The design is complete. It will enter squadron service in 4 years after go ahead. The Israelis are interested in 100 jets, they will supply the cockpit and most of the avionics. If the Rafale MII is signed, then the French will become the obvious choice, especially Spectra.

IAF will assemble the jets in their BRDs, private companies will build the parts.

A jet like this can be exported in the hundreds.

So, it will make use of already developed tech ? Looks like a JV between India-Israel and some components from France. How come no one knows about this when design is also complete ? any rough diagram ?

 

[PARIKRAMA]

So, it will make use of already developed tech ? Looks like a JV between India-Israel and some components from France. How come no one knows about this when design is also complete ? any rough diagram ?

Well actually many folks know about it right from MOD, IAF folks and many pvtt sector ppl including potential investors as well. Israel folks presentation happened almost 1.5-2months back..

The thing is Israel post Lavi did nt think much and now they realise how a low cost option is available...

More details are there in another forum where random radio us also there and he is a mod there..

But real information n sketches would be there only when the project is green lighted by MOD which seems a likely case.

In the words of the creator of LSA, If Rafale safran offset for Kaveri happens, there is a 75% probability that LSA will become LCA Mk2.

More @randomradio can add on this..

 

[jha]

Well actually many folks know about it right from MOD, IAF folks and many pvtt sector ppl including potential investors as well. Israel folks presentation happened almost 1.5-2months back..

The thing is Israel post Lavi did nt think much and now they realise how a low cost option is available...

More details are there in another forum where random radio us also there and he is a mod there..

But real information n sketches would be there only when the project is green lighted by MOD which seems a likely case.

In the words of the creator of LSA, If Rafale safran offset for Kaveri happens, there is a 75% probability that LSA will become LCA Mk2.

More @randomradio can add on this..

Well this is out of blue. Very hard to believe But Cheers if true.

 

[randomradio]

So, it will make use of already developed tech ? Looks like a JV between India-Israel and some components from France. How come no one knows about this when design is also complete ? any rough diagram ?

It's not a JV. The Israelis will be subcontractors. The design will be revealed only after it is either canceled or given the go ahead.

It's not completely open source info, at least the media has no clue about it. The industry knows about it.

 

[BON PLAN]

Single engine if a foreign engine is chosen. Twin engine if a HAL engine is chosen.



No. Based on Mig-21 and Marut.



6.5 tons empty. 3.5 tons fuel.



It won't affect the AMCA. But it will directly challenge the LCA Mk2 program, both AF LCA and N LCA.



The design is complete. It will enter squadron service in 4 years after go ahead. The Israelis are interested in 100 jets, they will supply the cockpit and most of the avionics. If the Rafale MII is signed, then the French will become the obvious choice, especially Spectra.

IAF will assemble the jets in their BRDs, private companies will build the parts.

A jet like this can be exported in the hundreds.

We can imagine France interested in a light fighter, and maybe Tejas itself....

Why?

Because we maybe need a light fighter to made "point defense" in France (in case a liner doesn't answer to control...) and to conduct light support in Africa for exemple. A kind of replacement of Mirage F1 & 2000..... As Rafale is costlier for these missions, even if it's interesting in term of support to have a sole fighter.
And if this plane use the same engin than Rafale (or MLU Rafale).... hummm ! Goooood.....

 

[randomradio]

We can imagine France interested in a light fighter, and maybe Tejas itself....

Why?

Because we maybe need a light fighter to made "point defense" in France (in case a liner doesn't answer to control...) and to conduct light support in Africa for exemple. A kind of replacement of Mirage F1 & 2000..... As Rafale is costlier for these missions, even if it's interesting in term of support to have a sole fighter.

You have two choices. Either import the jet from India in the short term. Or upgrade your Mirage-2000s and use them until 2035 in the long term. By then Rafales will become your light fighter with new jets coming in.

And if this plane use the same engin than Rafale (or MLU Rafale).... hummm ! Goooood.....

If India accepts France's offer of upgrading the Kaveri, then it is very likely that both LSA and Rafale will fly with similar engines. Most components will be the same even if LSA needs more thrust. Even Tejas.

 

[BON PLAN]

You have two choices. Either import the jet from India in the short term. Or upgrade your Mirage-2000s and use them until 2035 in the long term. By then Rafales will become your light fighter with new jets coming in.



If India accepts France's offer of upgrading the Kaveri, then it is very likely that both LSA and Rafale will fly with similar engines. Most components will be the same even if LSA needs more thrust. Even Tejas.

Rafale to become our light fighter? I don't think so.

 

[randomradio]

Rafale to become our light fighter? I don't think so.

It will once you make FCAS and a new 6th gen air superiority aircraft. I'm talking about post 2030.

While it is in my country's interest that you buy Tejas or LSA, what I proposed is in the interest of your companies, upgrading M-2000 for service until 2030-35.

Once FCAS and a new air superiority aircraft are ready in France, then Rafale will become a light aircraft. Like how the Russians consider Rafale to be a light aircraft because their own jets are 30 tons+.

 

[BON PLAN]

It will once you make FCAS and a new 6th gen air superiority aircraft. I'm talking about post 2030.

While it is in my country's interest that you buy Tejas or LSA, what I proposed is in the interest of your companies, upgrading M-2000 for service until 2030-35.

Once FCAS and a new air superiority aircraft are ready in France, then Rafale will become a light aircraft. Like how the Russians consider Rafale to be a light aircraft because their own jets are 30 tons+.

Mirage 2000D are going to be upgraded. Mirage 2000-5 will stay also, at least to 2025.

 

[randomradio]

Mirage 2000D are going to be upgraded. Mirage 2000-5 will stay also, at least to 2025.

Yeah, so you don't really need a light fighter when you can upgrade the existing M-2000s. Your jets are also newer than IAF's jets.

 

[BON PLAN]

Yeah, so you don't really need a light fighter when you can upgrade the existing M-2000s. Your jets are also newer than IAF's jets.

55 Mirage 2000D will be upgraded. Only for A to G mission. No radar change (mainly able to make low level flights). Mica IR integrated, but without radar.... a king of super short range missile.

There is only less than 30 Mirage 2000-5F on line.

I think there is space for a new light multirole fighter. For low or medium intensity battlefiled. for 2030+

 

[randomradio]

55 Mirage 2000D will be upgraded. Only for A to G mission. No radar change (mainly able to make low level flights). Mica IR integrated, but without radar.... a king of super short range missile.

There is only less than 30 Mirage 2000-5F on line.

I think there is space for a new light multirole fighter. For low or medium intensity battlefiled. for 2030+

If you don't upgrade M-2000C, then go ahead and buy LCA or LSA. I'm all for it.

 

[BON PLAN]

If you don't upgrade M-2000C, then go ahead and buy LCA or LSA. I'm all for it.

Mirage 2000C will not been upgraded. It's sure.
Withdrawal is in course.

 

[randomradio]

Mirage 2000C will not been upgraded. It's sure.
Withdrawal is in course.

Then I am all for exporting jets to France. Wonder what @Picdelamirand-oil thinks.

 

[rockstarIN]

Well actually many folks know about it right from MOD, IAF folks and many pvtt sector ppl including potential investors as well. Israel folks presentation happened almost 1.5-2months back..

The thing is Israel post Lavi did nt think much and now they realise how a low cost option is available...

More details are there in another forum where random radio us also there and he is a mod there..

But real information n sketches would be there only when the project is green lighted by MOD which seems a likely case.

In the words of the creator of LSA, If Rafale safran offset for Kaveri happens, there is a 75% probability that LSA will become LCA Mk2.

More @randomradio can add on this..

Is this jet what Dm talks about? 90+ jets under MII?

It's not a JV. The Israelis will be subcontractors. The design will be revealed only after it is either canceled or given the go ahead.

It's not completely open source info, at least the media has no clue about it. The industry knows about it.

Where does it fit? how and why MoD okays it since LCA Mk2 is there?

Or is it 5th Gen capable with full internal bays?

And you are saying design is frozen even not knowing if it is a single and double engine?