Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[Stephen Cohen]

http://www.newkerala.com/news/2016/fullnews-90216.html

Defence Acquisition Council briefed about Rafale deal


New Delhi, July 14 : The Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) held its meeting here on Thursday and was briefed about the progress in the Rafale fighter jet deal by the committee negotiating its purchase, defence ministry sources said.

They said the DAC directed the committee to submit its report expeditiously.

The deal for purchasing 36 Rafale combat jets in fly-away condition was inked during Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit to France last April.

A negotiating team was constituted to decide on the deal and is holding talks with the French side.

The price has been a major sticking point in the deal with India trying to bring it down for the fighter jet known to be one of the most expensive in the world.

The deal comes with a clause for delivering 50 per cent offsets, expected to generate business worth at least three billion euros for Indian companies.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Cool down bro parikkar is not worse as you think him to be if not great he is at least doing a good job . Do you think he can get away from such scrutiny by Modi and team by simply talking and not doing anything ?. One of the main reason for your frustration is Rafale deal but when you are dealing with someone like this you have to do some hard bargain

But India should be careful, since France have dragged the MRCA deal leading to its cancellation. The huge price escalation led to order reduced from 126 to 36 aircrafts without any ToT. France has promised to abide by MRCA tender but it has used every chance to divert the contract to its interest. This offset contract should not be used again by France to secure the Rafale deal but India should make France abide by the clauses of the contract without any loop holes through sovereign guarantee.

Lets wait for the whole picture to emerge before coming to a conclusion about him.

Fair enough brother but I maintain that he is one of the worst performers in the cabinet and this isn't really a controversial position to take. It is widely accepted the best performing ministries are Roads, Power and Railways (Telecom maybe deserves an honourable mention). I am yet to see the Defence ministry talked about as a "success story".

We can only judge Parrikar by what he has achieved, not what he would like us to beleive and as far as I can see not much has been gained with him at the helm. The DPP-2016 remains the sole stand out performance but very few deals have been signed, there has been no major defence MII project signed and we are still waiting for structural reforms such as new tri-service commands and the CDS.

 

[randomradio]

For the moment, I've read that DA will jump to 2 planes/month x11 working months/year = 22 planes. 5 planes available. To date...

Yes. 2 per month with Qatar deal and a little more than 2.5 per month after the Indian deal is signed, or any other deal apart from Indian deal.

 

[jha]

Mate any hushed news about the LSA.

Whats LSA ?

https://twitter.com/x/status/753557382169448450

Good. Take your time but we should get best possible deal. Couple of months dont mean much.

 

[Grevion]

Whats LSA ?

LSA stands for Light Stealth Aircraft. Nothing much out there about this plane. It could be a dream project for the Indian aviation industry.

 

[jha]

LSA stands for Light Stealth Aircraft. Nothing much out there about this plane. It could be a dream project for the Indian aviation industry.

Oh. ok..

 

[SR-91]

Nope. Nothing. Rafale deal and FGFA are first. Everything else is for next year.

What is this Light Stealth Aircraft? Can u give some details on this, thx.

 

[randomradio]

What is this Light Stealth Aircraft? Can u give some details on this, thx.

It's a light aircraft with VLO features and internal bays for weapons. It has F-22 level performance. It can carry 8 AAMs internally. And with CFTs, it can reach Beijing. It's being made as an escort aircraft for Rafales and MKIs for deep penetration missions.

 

[#hydra#]

There is a high probability for fresh attack on Isis strong holds in Syria nd Iraq,mistly rafale will lead the French strike.

It's a light aircraft with VLO features and internal bays for weapons. It has F-22 level performance. It can carry 8 AAMs internally. And with CFTs, it can reach Beijing. It's being made as an escort aircraft for Rafales and MKIs for deep penetration missions.

Can we launch satellite to space using this masterpiece.

 

[randomradio]

Can we launch satellite to space using this masterpiece.

The satellite will be very small.

But, yes, an aircraft can launch satellites.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

@Abingdonboy
I understand cost negotiations got over a good amount of time back, so were the offset agreements..

Perhaps other than financial position of our country + we willing to make payments in Q3/Q4, there is no logical sense. (apart from drought angle which @vstol pointed)

But every time the decision is post poned there will be an increase in suspicion level of reasons behind it and most folks will be painted about Rafale price+ French unwillingness+ etc etc

So i don understand what is really going on in DM MP's mind.. Perhaps milking for more? May be..

Critically Strategic partnership and local Industrial partner selection may be something to do with all this hoopla. Bcz IGA will specify all that right from partner to MII line and the modalities. Perhaps thats the real reason for all the delay.

I dont think the names in front like the Reliance/Adani/Mahindra/Tata/L&T/others , a few of them is giving much confidence or perhaps the issue related to awarding them a contract as big as this from political perspective..

 

[BON PLAN]

It's a light aircraft with VLO features and internal bays for weapons. It has F-22 level performance. It can carry 8 AAMs internally. And with CFTs, it can reach Beijing. It's being made as an escort aircraft for Rafales and MKIs for deep penetration missions.

A light aircraft with 8 AAm in internal bays. It's not contradictory ? (light vs 8 AAM)

 

[randomradio]

A light aircraft with 8 AAm in internal bays. It's not contradictory ? (light vs 8 AAM)

It will start with 6 missiles internally and then will be increased to 8 missiles once new missiles like Astra Mk2 are made.

There will be 3 internal bays in total.

 

[SR-91]

It's a light aircraft with VLO features and internal bays for weapons. It has F-22 level performance. It can carry 8 AAMs internally. And with CFTs, it can reach Beijing. It's being made as an escort aircraft for Rafales and MKIs for deep penetration missions.

Interesting
Is it a single engined jet?
Is it based on LCA?
What will be it's weight category?
Where does this leave AMCA?
any other info you can share bro. Thx

 

[randomradio]

Interesting
Is it a single engined jet?

Single engine if a foreign engine is chosen. Twin engine if a HAL engine is chosen.

Is it based on LCA?

No. Based on Mig-21 and Marut.

What will be it's weight category?

6.5 tons empty. 3.5 tons fuel.

Where does this leave AMCA?

It won't affect the AMCA. But it will directly challenge the LCA Mk2 program, both AF LCA and N LCA.

any other info you can share bro. Thx

The design is complete. It will enter squadron service in 4 years after go ahead. The Israelis are interested in 100 jets, they will supply the cockpit and most of the avionics. If the Rafale MII is signed, then the French will become the obvious choice, especially Spectra.

IAF will assemble the jets in their BRDs, private companies will build the parts.

A jet like this can be exported in the hundreds.