Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[SR-91]

Yes, 5th gen, internal bays, supercruise etc.



The single engine design is. The design is frozen in the sense that it is a complete aircraft from the company's perspective, but changes can be made depending on what the user wants, including engine.

The designer says he can go for twin engine in case HAL absorbs French tech into their own engine programs. Then there won't be a need to import the engines, making the jet cheaper.

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[4GTejasBVR]

Single engine if a foreign engine is chosen. Twin engine if a HAL engine is chosen.



No. Based on Mig-21 and Marut.



6.5 tons empty. 3.5 tons fuel.



It won't affect the AMCA. But it will directly challenge the LCA Mk2 program, both AF LCA and N LCA.



The design is complete. It will enter squadron service in 4 years after go ahead. The Israelis are interested in 100 jets, they will supply the cockpit and most of the avionics. If the Rafale MII is signed, then the French will become the obvious choice, especially Spectra.

IAF will assemble the jets in their BRDs, private companies will build the parts.

A jet like this can be exported in the hundreds.

What the hell is this ? Any source to claim ?

If you don't upgrade M-2000C, then go ahead and buy LCA or LSA. I'm all for it.

Mirage 2000D are going to be upgraded. Mirage 2000-5 will stay also, at least to 2025.

Am not sure what is this LSA all about... It's too good to be true. Anyway . India should scrap it's LCA 2 program and directly go for Stealthy Tejas light fighter . No Vertical launched. Just a normal simple 5th gen single engined. Wonder what is the use of having 4 the gen fighter which could enter production only after 2022-25 ? As it's life is expected to be 20 plus years are beyond . Of course France Israeli and India should come together for LCA stealth fighter jet . So all profits are equally shared while each of us getting cheap next gen fighter for mass induction. To augment our heavy fighter fleet .

But will it happen? Big NO

 

[Local_Legend]

IGA, offset contract on Rafale deal not yet finalised; Govt

New Delhi, Jul 19 () The government today said the Inter Government Agreement and the offset contract for the multi-billion Euro Rafale fighter jet deal is yet to be finalised.

In a written reply to Rajya Sabha, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said details including transfer of technology through offsets will emerge after the negotiations are completed.

"The negotiations are underway and IGA and offset contract are yet to be finalized," he said.

The Minister said 36 aircraft being procured will have advanced features like Advanced Electronically Scanned Array Radar, mid-air refuelling and advanced electronic warfare equipment as part of its design.

According to defence sources, the deal is estimated to be around 7.89 billion Euros.

The price was brought down from nearly 10 billion Euros, as sought initially, due to various reasons, including the discount offered by the French government and reworking of some of the criteria.

The deal comes with the clause of delivering 50 per cent offsets, creating business worth at least 3 billion Euros for smaller Indian companies and creating thousands of new jobs in India through the offsets.

Meanwhile in another reply, Parrikar said 18 more Tejas aircraft in IOC (Initial Operation Clearance) standard are planned for induction by 2018-19, besides the two already inducted.

This would be followed by 20 more aircraft in Final Operation Configuration (FOC) standard, which are planned for induction from year 2019.

The total expenditure incurred on development of Tejas LCA Mk-I aircraft, as on June 30 is Rs 8042.46 crore, he said.

The total initial sanctioned cost for Full Scale Engineering Development (FSED) for LCA was Rs 5489.78 crore which was later escalated to Rs 9121.07 crore.

The indigenous content of LCA is about 70 per cent and import content is about 30 per cent. The aircraft is indigenously designed and developed and the technology for production of this aircraft is available in the country.

LCA Tejas shall be an important part of IAF's fighter aircraft inventory filling up the lightweight category of fighters and shall be effectively used for air defence and for battlefield air strikes, Parrikar said. SAP VMN
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...t-yet-finalised-Govt/articleshow/53285164.cms

 

[BON PLAN]

What the hell is this ? Any source to claim ?




Am not sure what is this LSA all about... It's too good to be true. Anyway . India should scrap it's LCA 2 program and directly go for Stealthy Tejas light fighter . No Vertical launched. Just a normal simple 5th gen single engined. Wonder what is the use of having 4 the gen fighter which could enter production only after 2022-25 ? As it's life is expected to be 20 plus years are beyond . Of course France Israeli and India should come together for LCA stealth fighter jet . So all profits are equally shared while each of us getting cheap next gen fighter for mass induction. To augment our heavy fighter fleet .

But will it happen? Big NO

Stealth will be definitively broken in some few years (or even already broken), with new equipments (AESA, metric wave length, optronic devices, multi static radars...).
The so called 5th gen is only a (brillant) marketing argument of LM, and basta.

 

[General Observer]

Lol stealthy Tejas hahaha. Is that going to come after another 36 years from now?

 

[R!CK]

Lol stealthy Tejas hahaha. Is that going to come after another 36 years from now?

I'd agree talks of a stealthy Tejas is pointless until we have the much hyped Mk 2 version flying. Optimism is good, but too much creates too little success.

Good Day all!

 

[General Observer]

I'd agree talks of a stealthy Tejas is pointless until we have the much hyped Mk 2 version flying. Optimism is good, but too much creates too little success.

Good Day all!

You guys might as well just participate in the F35 program... Neither your homegrown nor Ruskie endeavors are bearing any fruits.

 

[R!CK]

You guys might as well just participate in the F35 program... Neither your homegrown nor Ruskie endeavors are bearing any fruits.

Only time will tell. I'd just hope for the best to happen.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@PARIKRAMA

http://www.airforce-technology.com/...fale-combat-aircraft-deal-with-france-4954721

India to finalise Rafale combat aircraft deal with France

20 July 2016


The Government of India is set to finalise the purchase of 36 Rafale combat aircraft in fly-away condition from France for the Indian Air Force (IAF).

The move comes as the IAF is in critical operational necessity for multirole combat aircraft.

The Dassault Aviation-built multi-role jet fighter will be supplied as part of an intergovernmental agreement (IGA) signed by France and India in January this year.


The long-awaited medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) contract is expected to be worth more than $20bn.

The IAF initially planned to acquire 126 Rafale aircraft, with the first 18 jets to be manufactured in France from the second quarter of 2015 onwards, while the remaining 108 to be locally built following a technology transfer to Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

The countries, however, could not reach an agreement as Dassault refused to provide guarantees for the fighters built in India.

The new MMRCA aircraft will feature an advanced electronically scanned array radar, mid-air refuelling and advanced electronic warfare equipment.

Powered by two SNECMA M88 engines, Rafale has been designed to conduct air-to-air combat, reconnaissance flights and nuclear bombing missions.

The aircraft can be fitted with anti-ship and air-to-air and air-to-ground missiles. It is in use with the French Navy and Air Force, and has also been ordered by Egypt.

A negotiating team has been formed to negotiate the terms and conditions of the procurement of Rafale jets and recommend a draft agreement.

The negotiations are currently underway and the IGA is yet to be finalised.

 

[nik141993]

@PARIKRAMA


India to finalise Rafale combat aircraft deal

another finalisation

The negotiations are currently underway and the IGA is yet to be finalised.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

another finalisation

At least a little good news

Something is better than Nothing

 

[ashok321]

http://www.airforce-technology.com/...fale-combat-aircraft-deal-with-france-4954721

The Government of India is set to finalise the purchase of 36 Rafale combat aircraft in fly-away condition from France for the Indian Air Force (IAF).

The move comes as the IAF is in critical operational necessity for multirole combat aircraft.

The Dassault Aviation-built multi-role jet fighter will be supplied as part of an intergovernmental agreement (IGA) signed by France and India in January this year.

"The long-awaited medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) contract is expected to be worth more than $20bn."
The long-awaited medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) contract is expected to be worth more than $20bn.

The IAF initially planned to acquire 126 Rafale aircraft, with the first 18 jets to be manufactured in France from the second quarter of 2015 onwards, while the remaining 108 to be locally built following a technology transfer to Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

The countries, however, could not reach an agreement as Dassault refused to provide guarantees for the fighters built in India.

The new MMRCA aircraft will feature an advanced electronically scanned array radar, mid-air refuelling and advanced electronic warfare equipment.

Powered by two SNECMA M88 engines, Rafale has been designed to conduct air-to-air combat, reconnaissance flights and nuclear bombing missions.

The aircraft can be fitted with anti-ship and air-to-air and air-to-ground missiles. It is in use with the French Navy and Air Force, and has also been ordered by Egypt.

A negotiating team has been formed to negotiate the terms and conditions of the procurement of Rafale jets and recommend a draft agreement.

The negotiations are currently underway and the IGA is yet to be finalised.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

@waz @WAJsal @Oscar @mods

Request you to move the following threads to this sticky.. It all pertains to Rafale news only

https://defence.pk/threads/india-to-finalise-rafale-combat-aircraft-deal-with-france.440429/
https://defence.pk/threads/where-is...-fighter-jet-deal-stuck-find-out-here.440422/
https://defence.pk/threads/has-defense-minister-pulled-off-a-coup-in-rafale-offset-contract.439209/
https://defence.pk/threads/iga-offset-contract-on-rafale-deal-not-yet-finalised-government.440153/
https://defence.pk/threads/french-d...big-on-india-scouts-for-more-partners.439781/
https://defence.pk/threads/india-seeks-further-discount-for-rafale.439544/
https://defence.pk/threads/mmrca-redux-in-india’s-new-fighter-aircraft-selection.439526/

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