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What is MP doing? Delay delay delay.Source based news.. Take it with salt.
Suspense llooksto continue closer to 24th June and post that steps are expected surely
- DM MP is delaying taking decisions for Rafale
- Rafale program is 36+90+18+54+45+45+36+36 mix of Merignac and Indian MII.
- It is the 45+45+36+36 part which other bidders want to take and are offering competitive package.
- Unless the coat of such package is less than the localised Rafale cost with additional benefits, the program is a non starter.
- DM is trying to extract a deal from USA for jet powered drones from General Atomics
- Lockheed is still trying for F16/F35 program and now it's requesting for 80-120 jets deal with a small part in flyaway and rest under MII.
- Israel is roped in for sophisticated customization for the LM deal.
- Also F35 is being showcased for controlling unmanned drones via F35 pilot mode.
- In Singapore, le Drian discussion centered around
- Rafale negotiation of package
- A long chit chat on Neuron and package flowing to Indian UCAV program.
- NSG bid and some gift for USA was also discussed.
- F21 torpedo point was discussed
- MP updated around MII strategic partnerships
- Questions are being readied by some senior folks abt replacement program and pace of it. 3 sqds of Mig27 in 3 years max whereas pace of LCA and Rafale deal is too slow to their liking.
- Most probably PM NaMo would intervene in coming fortnight to make things in order.
- Speculations are rife that NSG bid failure via any Chinese veto directly or indirectly would see USA India deal on
- Jet powered armed drones
- LM program for aircraft
- A high altitude interceptor system
- ASW detection program
- Logistic related aircraft
- Jammer equipments and cooperation in NG jammer program
- Aircraft carrier program
Do you think these so-called leaders sat in their plush government bungalows in Delhi give a f*ck? Least of all Parrikar that has gone back on his OWN policy and imposed a blanket blacklisting that has ensured countless mega defence projects will be stalled by years.Dear DM,
Dont try and play the hard game here because its the life of the airforce personals which suffers flying half a decade old fighter planes.
We have lost many lifes due to the same old problem for so many years now and it is the fault of the GOI that after 16 years of stating a requirements for new medium multirole aircraft they still dont have a damn plane.
What is MP doing? Delay delay delay.
MP is performing entirely below expectations and is not congruent with what the PM has tried to promote for India; consistent swift decision making with transparent processes and predictable deadlines. This is one of India's most critical ministries and yet it is being handled with almost no care or attention.
And then these same leaders dream of matching the Chinese? They should try careers in comedy if politics doesn't work out.
Dreams of matching China! Even the Australians are quicker then us in their defense procurements with their defense needs not as much big as ours let alone the communist PRC.What is MP doing? Delay delay delay.
He said himself that the Rafale deal would be signed this month and now he is pushing it back?? He is fast losing any credibility he had built up by consistently over promising and under delivering and in the process making India look pathetic.
MP is performing entirely below expectations and is not congruent with what the PM has tried to promote for India; consistent swift decision making with transparent processes and predictable deadlines. This is one of India's most critical ministries and yet it is being handled with almost no care or attention.
MP really is trying to be too smart for his own good but what has he actually got to show for his tenure thus far? A new DPP? How utterly despicable. Anthony 2.0 indeed.
India's wait for a new fighter type continues (now 18+ years and waiting)......
Do you think these so-called leaders sat in their plush government bungalows in Delhi give a f*ck? Least of all Parrikar that has gone back on his OWN policy and imposed a blanket blacklisting that has ensured countless mega defence projects will be stalled by years.
And then these same leaders dream of matching the Chinese? They should try careers in comedy if politics doesn't work out.
They have hardly any right to criticise the govt. after the ten years of doing nothing significant in the defense preparedness of our country.When PM Was Buying Rafales, Parrikar Was Buying Fish In Goa: Digvijaya Singh
All India |Indo-Asian News Service | Updated: June 03, 2016 22:55 IST
Congress general secretary Digvijaya Singh said Manohar Parrikar is hardly a Defence Minister. (PTI file photo)
PANAJI: When Prime Minister Narendra Modi was striking the Rafale fighter plane deal in France, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar was in Goa buying fish, Congress general secretary Digvijaya Singh said today, criticising Mr Parrikar for ignoring his sensitive central ministry brief.
"He is not involved in any of the defence deals. I told you earlier that when Rafale aircraft were being bought by the Prime Minister in France, he was buying fish in Goa. This is what Mr Parrikar's status as a Defence Minister is today," Mr Singh said, addressing a press conference in Panaji.
"The Congress party has been saying so from day one. Parrikar is hardly a Defence Minister. He is a super Chief Minister of Goa," Mr Singh said.
http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/when...as-buying-fish-in-goa-digvijaya-singh-1415319
What is MP doing? Delay delay delay.
He said himself that the Rafale deal would be signed this month and now he is pushing it back?? He is fast losing any credibility he had built up by consistently over promising and under delivering and in the process making India look pathetic.
MP is performing entirely below expectations and is not congruent with what the PM has tried to promote for India; consistent swift decision making with transparent processes and predictable deadlines. This is one of India's most critical ministries and yet it is being handled with almost no care or attention.
MP really is trying to be too smart for his own good but what has he actually got to show for his tenure thus far? A new DPP? How utterly despicable. Anthony 2.0 indeed.
India's wait for a new fighter type continues (now 18+ years and waiting)......
Do you think these so-called leaders sat in their plush government bungalows in Delhi give a f*ck? Least of all Parrikar that has gone back on his OWN policy and imposed a blanket blacklisting that has ensured countless mega defence projects will be stalled by years.
And then these same leaders dream of matching the Chinese? They should try careers in comedy if politics doesn't work out.
I would wager that something sweet is cooking b/w LM and India, otherwise the delay serves no purpose.
As for French! Ils ont merdé quelque chose de bien. Their loss, our gain
No US OEM has any chance in the Indian fighter market, Ashton Carter returning empty handed proved that. The Indian side gave them a fair hearing and they spat in India's face.I would wager that something sweet is cooking b/w LM and India, otherwise the delay serves no purpose.
As for French! Ils ont merdé quelque chose de bien. Their loss, our gain
What naval projects has Parrikar actually sanctioned under his tenure? Not a SINGLE aviation asset has been cleared for the IN under him and the P-17As were pushed by the PM. He has actually sabotaged the P-15B, IAC-1, Scorpenes, and P-17A because of his blacklisting of OTO, WASS and SALEX which means their main guns (127mm), BLACK SHARK torpedoes and VSR (RAN-40L) aren't coming.Sorry, but I think he's the best defence minister we have had since decades. Although I can understand how frustrated you are about the Rafale deal, but I don't believe there has been anyone better.
The navy projects under him have gone from normal pace to extreme heights. In the next 10 years, India will add more ships and aircraft than ever done in the last 70 years. All strategic programs have been increased manifold. And manifold doesn't justify it. Even China has stood up to take notice.
He's in fact the DM that we should have had in the 80s or the 90s. He's changing everything. Literally everything. That's why even private companies are so excited.
Australia? Try the majority of the Western and Eastern world. The only nation that can compete with India on defence procurement sloppiness and delays is the US but they are so far ahead of the rest of the world when it comes to tech and scale that is understandable.Dreams of matching China! Even the Australians are quicker then us in their defense procurements with their defense needs not as much big as ours let alone the communist PRC.
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Exactly. It's most bizarre that the party that gave India Anthony are criticising the incumbent DM. The longest serving DM in India's history has single handlidly set back India's defence preparerdness by at least 10-12 years..
They have hardly any right to criticise the govt. after the ten years of doing nothing significant in the defense preparedness of our country.
What naval projects has Parrikar actually sanctioned under his tenure? Not a SINGLE aviation asset has been cleared for the IN under him and the P-17As were pushed by the PM.
He has actually sabotaged the P-15B, IAC-1, Scorpenes, and P-17A because of his blacklisting of OTO, WASS and SALEX which means their main guns (127mm), BLACK SHARK torpedoes and VSR (RAN-40L) aren't coming.
What is MP doing? Delay delay delay.
He said himself that the Rafale deal would be signed this month and now he is pushing it back?? He is fast losing any credibility he had built up by consistently over promising and under delivering and in the process making India look pathetic.
The Rafale deal has nothing to do with the NSG membership.Might be waiting after NSG meeting for announcement. I have a feeling many foreign deals and exports such as Brahmos to Vietnam are under similar pressures with these international agreements and diplomacy, even if they are finalized.
The Rafale deal has nothing to do with the NSG membership.
The Rafale deal isn't linked to the NSG in anyway shape or form brother, trust me. Let's not make excuses for Parrikar's Anthony-like behaviour.NSG membership has to do with convincing China to acede. I don't think announcing export of Brahmos missiles to Vietnam or purchase of Rafales on the eve of NSG is a move this government would want to take, Chinese still seem ambiguous on their decision. New government seems far more aware of international politics and diplomacy than any government before, doesn't want useless loud-mouthed Indian media needlessly hyping the deal as a counter to China. At least not when the NSG decision is so close. It is also telling that new Prahaar/Pragati test-launch was announced immediately after MTCR accession, as it will be marketed for export now. I don't see why nuclear-capable Rafale that would be stationed on Eastern border would much different.
Just get the Rafales ordered (126++ units), the rest can be sorted later (American-Indo ties move VERY slowly because of the baggage of both sides)
The Rafale deal isn't linked to the NSG in anyway shape or form brother, trust me. Let's not make excuses for Parrikar's Anthony-like behaviour.
I think India is still quite some distance away from joining the NSG and I expect the Rafale deal MUCH sooner (mext few weeks if Parrikar stops messing around).Don't crush my hopes of seeing Rafale contract signed after India joins NSG like that .
Would be funny if FGFA deal is signed before Rafale. Even more-so if it 's the promised US fighter-deal, that some on here talk about. Although I doubt any announcement on that front until post-2016 US Presidential elections, perhaps during a foreign visit of US president.
I don't agree with your assessment of Parrikar brother. IMO he is putting his personal political ambitions in front of his country. I don't think Modi will put up with this nonsense for much longer especially when other ministries are performing flawlessly. There isn't much to show for Parrikar's tenure thus far.Looks like India will eventually end up with Jets from all over the world.
Rafales from Europe
F18's-F35 and/or UCAV from USA
FGFA from Russia.
On a separate note....Delays in Deals.
We can bash Parrikar all we want but he's putting his country first rather than his own appearance in media.
Let's put ourselves in his shoes for a sec. The way I see it he has THE MOST COMPLICATED job on this planet right now. He has to deal with the blunders and massive negligence of the last 10 years.
Almost every project was running behind without the will to complete on time. Not only he has to deal with completing projects on time but also the CORE ISSUE of our Indian attitude of "chalta hai". That's a sea change in itself. What India can accomplish, in terms of high-tech high-quality, in next 10-15 years and he needs to condense all that in 5 years or so.
India will spend heavily on defense procurement and he needs to make the most out it. Rafale deal turned out to much bigger than everyone predicted. Parrikar needs to get everything right from the beginning. We need to give this guy a little more time. Decisions he makes today will have its effects and consequences for decades to come.