Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[Blue Marlin]

Thanks a lot.
A kind of S1850, you can find on the frigate Horizon.

indeed but the s1850/smart-l is more capable

 

[randomradio]

@Abingdonboy

At the risk of getting banned again, RAN-40L has already been contracted. It won't affect Vikrant.

 

[Abingdonboy]

You seem to be quite frustrated bro, but there is no reason to be.

Well all I am seeing is a repeat of AKA's "saintly" practices. Despite saying it was counter-productive, hurt India's national interests and that he wouldn't engage in it, Parrikar has now blacklisted Finemmca and all of its subsidaries therby hurting numerous current and future projects. This will cost India dearly in both time and expense.

Then there's the expansion of the Aerospace Command.

There is no Aerospace command, nor is there a Cyber command or Special Operations command- the MoD is STILL sat on those proposals.

There's also the Army's soldier modernization program

There has been zero indication this is being pursued with renewed vigor, it took Parrikar a year just to order 50,000 BPJs!

From what Parrikar says, FGFA will most likely be signed before Rafale

I don't know what order they will come but a few days ago Parrikar had said that the Rafale deal will be signed in June and the FGFA "phase-2" contract would be signed "shortly" so I would suspect the Rafale deal is coming first. Parrikar would be a fool to prioritise the FGFA, that is still at least a decade away, over the Rafale with the decline in SQN strength now being faced.

What is RAN-40L ?

The Volume Search Radar (VSR) for the IAC-1 (INS Vikrant):

 

[randomradio]

Well all I am seeing is a repeat of AKA's "saintly" practices. Despite saying it was counter-productive, hurt India's national interests and that he wouldn't engage in it, Parrikar has now blacklisted Finemmca and all of its subsidaries therby hurting numerous current and future projects. This will cost India dearly in both time and expense.

It's a good thing long term. The message being sent here is corruption won't be tolerated.

There is no Aerospace command, nor is there a Cyber command or Special Operations command- the MoD is STILL sat on those proposals.

All three commands technically exist. They are just called by different names until they create the Joint Chiefs office.

The Aerospace Command's work is being carried out under the Integrated Space Cell. It's the same thing with the Cyber and Special Operations Commands. They will be basically new names of already existing systems.

There has been zero indication this is being pursued with renewed vigor, it took Parrikar a year just to order 50,000 BPJs!

It's incorrect to blame Parrikar when he finished negotiations and signed for the jackets in 2 months, not a year. Basically, all the vendors failed field trials and the tender was scrapped. 50,000 were bought as an emergency, and that's Parrikar's neck in the noose, but he did it anyway. Anthony wouldn't have done the same. 25k will come from Tata, another 25k from MKU. These 50k jackets will be obsolete when they arrive the next month, but DRDO is testing new BPJs that match the original requirements.

And the soldier modernization program is different. But F-INSAS has been scrapped. Right now, the primary purchase will be the new rifles, but army is yet to test some of the weapons. The West has made some pretty kickass stuff and we may be cooperating with them on this.

I don't know what order they will come but a few days ago Parrikar had said that the Rafale deal will be signed in June and the FGFA "phase-2" contract would be signed "shortly" so I would suspect the Rafale deal is coming first. Parrikar would be a fool to prioritise the FGFA, that is still at least a decade away, over the Rafale with the decline in SQN strength now being faced.

The FGFA will be signed this month, or early next month. CNC will wrap up negotiations soon, submit a report to Parrikar by the end of the month after which it will go through all the bureaucratic procedures right up to CCS. FGFA is apparently already in the bureaucratic loop now. You can say they will both be signed very, very soon. Both projects are fast track projects, so both are equally important.

IAF is no longer worried about the decline in squadrons because at least one more MRCA deal apart from LCA will be signed.

Do you remember I said something a few months ago, that there will be a third MRCA program? Parrikar has also confirmed that, so IAF has no problems in arresting their declining squadrons. In the 90s, IAF had more than 1000 fighters. We may end up reaching that number with 3 MRCA programs and 1 LCA program in the near future. The IAF's immediate requirement is 400 fighter jets, but that number could easily cross 600. Not to mention, a lot of the close support requirements will be covered using attack helicopters, and we may have 400 of those in 10 years, 300+ are already contracted. Plus UCAVs. That's why FGFA will take higher priority now.

We will be inducting 100 fighters, UCAVs and attack helicopters every year by 2020. The squadron shortfall will be covered in just 5 years after the deals are signed.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Thank God a good silence is maintained by both DM MP as well as media who is pre occupied with NaMo in US plus NSG stuff.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

• DAC is scheduled for June 15 from earlier June 10 .
• Key chapter on strategic partnership in the DPP 2016 to be finalised
• Rafale deal some more progress has been done for price now below $8Bn and moving towards $7.5Bn.
• CCS discussions on this is stalled due to clearance issues on MII part with DPP2016 strategic partnership chapter.
• West side border airbases for rafale under consideration is 3 with Jodhpur and ambala leading the fray
• In the meantime IAF is expected to go to Israel for a close look and train few pilots in F16 Israeli version under an exchange program.
• In a quid pro quo manner for the support from US, India will buy an aerial platform from US.
• US is pushing for LM program of F16 to F35 plan. India is pushing for a FMS deal with General Atomics based platforms.
• The twin seater Boeing is now in backseat unless a big funding scenario in Democrat choice of Hillary Clinton becomes Prez and pushes for the same later.

Will update soon.. More info lined up..

 

[BON PLAN]

• DAC is scheduled for June 15 from earlier June 10 .
• Key chapter on strategic partnership in the DPP 2016 to be finalised
• Rafale deal some more progress has been done for price now below $8Bn and moving towards $7.5Bn.
• CCS discussions on this is stalled due to clearance issues on MII part with DPP2016 strategic partnership chapter.
• West side border airbases for rafale under consideration is 3 with Jodhpur and ambala leading the fray
• In the meantime IAF is expected to go to Israel for a close look and train few pilots in F16 Israeli version under an exchange program.
• In a quid pro quo manner for the support from US, India will buy an aerial platform from US.
• US is pushing for LM program of F16 to F35 plan. India is pushing for a FMS deal with General Atomics based platforms.
• The twin seater Boeing is now in backseat unless a big funding scenario in Democrat choice of Hillary Clinton becomes Prez and pushes for the same later.

Will update soon.. More info lined up..

Some news about LeDrian / indian DM encounter ?

 

[Mujraparty]

• DAC is scheduled for June 15 from earlier June 10 .
• Key chapter on strategic partnership in the DPP 2016 to be finalised
• Rafale deal some more progress has been done for price now below $8Bn and moving towards $7.5Bn.
• CCS discussions on this is stalled due to clearance issues on MII part with DPP2016 strategic partnership chapter.
• West side border airbases for rafale under consideration is 3 with Jodhpur and ambala leading the fray
• In the meantime IAF is expected to go to Israel for a close look and train few pilots in F16 Israeli version under an exchange program.
• In a quid pro quo manner for the support from US, India will buy an aerial platform from US.
• US is pushing for LM program of F16 to F35 plan. India is pushing for a FMS deal with General Atomics based platforms.
• The twin seater Boeing is now in backseat unless a big funding scenario in Democrat choice of Hillary Clinton becomes Prez and pushes for the same later.

Will update soon.. More info lined up..

u sire are revealing lot of info on PDF , just be careful about what ur posting ...!!

 

[noksss]

Thank God a good silence is maintained by both DM MP as well as media who is pre occupied with NaMo in US plus NSG stuff.

Silence on What ?

 

[Grevion]

• West side border airbases for rafale under consideration is 3 with Jodhpur and ambala leading the fray

Thanks for that particular info mate. Am I the only one in this forum who will se both rafale and mkis flying on a daily basis? I think I am since my house is so close to the airbase.

 

[BON PLAN]

u sire are revealing lot of info on PDF , just be careful about what ur posting ...!!

Why? I hope for P*kistani secret services they know this kind of news ! nothing very highly classified.

But it's very interesting for us. Thanks to Parikrama.

 

[Abingdonboy]

• DAC is scheduled for June 15 from earlier June 10 .
• Key chapter on strategic partnership in the DPP 2016 to be finalised
• Rafale deal some more progress has been done for price now below $8Bn and moving towards $7.5Bn.
• CCS discussions on this is stalled due to clearance issues on MII part with DPP2016 strategic partnership chapter.
• West side border airbases for rafale under consideration is 3 with Jodhpur and ambala leading the fray
• In the meantime IAF is expected to go to Israel for a close look and train few pilots in F16 Israeli version under an exchange program.
• In a quid pro quo manner for the support from US, India will buy an aerial platform from US.
• US is pushing for LM program of F16 to F35 plan. India is pushing for a FMS deal with General Atomics based platforms.
• The twin seater Boeing is now in backseat unless a big funding scenario in Democrat choice of Hillary Clinton becomes Prez and pushes for the same later.

Will update soon.. More info lined up..

Just get the Rafales ordered (126++ units), the rest can be sorted later (American-Indo ties move VERY slowly because of the baggage of both sides)

 

[randomradio]

It appears we may purchase the Gripen as well.

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...up-raha-pilots-swedish-fighter-plane-2845984/

Sweden and SAAB had offered the Gripen for production under the ‘Make in India’ programme held in Mumbai last February. Both the nations ratified the deal during the ‘Shangri La Dialogue’ in Singapore on June 3. The agreement included the production of Gripen multi-role fighter aircraft in India and establishing a long-term relationship for future programmes including comprehensive transfer of technology and joint development of futuristic fighters (AMCA).

This means there is a high chance the Super Hornet is coming as well.

 

[The Eagle]

P*kistani

Typo error or something very especial about * instead of "a". So far * is no close to "a" at all. Must be something interesting, if you would like to share?... Thanks..

 

[PARIKRAMA]

the truth

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So how is the Saab deal different from Boeing both of them wants a 100% FDI route.. Boeing last I heard was oki with TASL some stake but still wanted 75% in the JV and a minority partner status for Tata aero.

If you see the article they have emphasised a lot on radar and irst. and European weapon set.then how without them the whole package is so attractive..