CV-18 Fujian - Type 003 Aircraft Carrier News & Discussions

[lcloo]

Satellite photo dated 19th February 2021.

 

[CIA Mole]

Satellite photo dated 19th February 2021.

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This is for J15 or J35?

 

[Deino]

A new image of the Type 003 aircraft carrier allegedly taken today.

(Image via @上琴gogogo from Baidu)

See: https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7232857109


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The original one ...

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

 

[jaybird]

That member -- aziqbal -- hardly gives any contribution to this section through any conducive post.... now suddenly jump in and being rude -- this guy really does not know civility and how to measure one self.

Just look at his posts in this "Chinese Defence Forum" section all this time... no contribution at all, just demanding this and that, belittling, judging, trolling... the same attitude at SDF, only folks there are not so kind like here... much sterner

Please, please do not ridicule oneself. If you won't contribute, fine, just behave oneself.

ChineseTiger1986 has his standing all this time, he may get it wrong or right eventually, but he did present his cases, spent efforts and time to dig some info.

Now look into mirror... what are you doing here??? to make such improper noise even being rude ????

I remember him as a decent poster from SinoDefence forum way back. But he is a changed man maybe in the last few years to a very hostile and antagonistic attitude towards China almost like the Indian trolls. Maybe he was always that way deep down, now he just doesn't hide it anymore like sinosolider.

As far as fzgfzy goes, he used to be a very reliable source of information regarding PLAN shipbuilding. But maybe he is intentionally spreading disinformation now or he just doesn't have the insider information anymore. We can't really take his words as gold now. It won't be long we can find out 003 is nuclear or conventional soon anyway. Just need a little patience as always with Chinese military enthusiast who follow these kind of projects.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I remember him as a decent poster from SinoDefence forum way back. But he is a changed man maybe in the last few years to a very hostile and antagonistic attitude towards China almost like the Indian trolls. Maybe he was always that way deep down, now he just doesn't hide it anymore like sinosolider.

As far as fzgfzy goes, he used to be a very reliable source of information regarding PLAN shipbuilding. But maybe he is intentionally spreading disinformation now or he just doesn't have the insider information anymore. We can't really take his words as gold now. It won't be long we can find out 003 is nuclear or conventional soon anyway. Just need a little patience as always with Chinese military enthusiast who follow these kind of projects.

Overall, the Type 003 will resemble an enlarged Ulyanovsk with flattop.

The ship will be about 10 meters shorter than US supercarriers, but slightly wider, and weighs about 95,000 tonnes.

Even fzgfzy starts to acknowledge that this ship could weigh as much as 90,000 tonnes, even though he was very reluctant to acknowledge its supercarrier stature.

 

[Deino]

Overall, the Type 003 will resemble an enlarged Ulyanovsk with flattop.

The ship will be about 10 meters shorter than US supercarriers, but slightly wider, and weighs about 95,000 tonnes.

Even fzgfzy starts to acknowledge that this ship could weigh as much as 90,000 tonnes, even though he was very reluctant to acknowledge its supercarrier stature.

Can't wait to see the next modules added and even more the next clearer fly-over images taken from an airliner!

 

[samsara]

From 逆襲 @horobeyo on 2021.02.26:

俺一开始也以为20MW涡轮发电机是给核鱼用的，两台刚好。
这么看来，4台合计80MW+柴油发电机，003的供电能力惊人。

At first I also thought that the 20MW turbine generator was for nuclear submarine, and two were just right.
In this way, the power supply capacity of four sets of 80MW+ diesel generators in total for the 003 is impressive.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1365100775081304068

 

[Polestar 2]

China will end up with a carrier force as strong or even stronger than the US Navy.

The quality will be better but I doubt PLAN would build 10 CVN. China will aim for 4 modern carriers and decommission CV-16 and CV-17. To maintain 10 CVN is too much.

 

[KurtisBrian]

Overall, the Type 003 will resemble an enlarged Ulyanovsk with flattop.

The ship will be about 10 meters shorter than US supercarriers, but slightly wider, and weighs about 95,000 tonnes.

So either they chose to buy the Ulyanovsk design because it was quicker and cheaper than creating a new design or they couldn't design one on their own.

shorter and wider usually = slower but more stable. Better learning platform.

 

[Deino]

So either they chose to buy the Ulyanovsk design because it was quicker and cheaper than creating a new design or they couldn't design one on their own.

shorter and wider usually = slower but more stable. Better learning platform.

What??? From what do you come to the conclusion they "chose to buy the Ulyanovsk" or even more "did the Ukrainian ever sell it"?? "Looks like" is not the same as "they bought and copied".

 

[KurtisBrian]

What??? From what do you come to the conclusion they "chose to buy the Ulyanovsk" or even more "did the Ukrainian ever sell it"?? "Looks like" is not the same as "they bought and copied".

they had to refurbish their first carrier. the second is an enlarged and slightly altered version of the first design. Both of which are based on cruiser hull designs. Now the new one "looks like" another Russian design. ChineseTiger1986 didn't say that it looks like new design or an American design. China has money. Even if if they can design a carrier why waste time on a new design when they can buy a design? Simple economics and speed efficiency. Sure, perhaps the Chinese spent years and huge sums of money creating their own design. That design would be made by people without any experience in designing true aircraft carriers. What would an intelligent person do for their first true carrier hull design? The Chinese are very intelligent so I assume they make logical intelligent choices.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Can't wait to see the next modules added and even more the next clearer fly-over images taken from an airliner!

The island structure probably sitting in a similar position to the Nimitz class, but not as further back as the Ford class, in between the two elevators from the right side of the flight deck.

So either they chose to buy the Ulyanovsk design because it was quicker and cheaper than creating a new design or they couldn't design one on their own.

shorter and wider usually = slower but more stable. Better learning platform.

The rumor about China obtaining the blueprint Ulyanovsk class did fly around for a quite long time.

Initially, I didn't buy this rumor, but later when I saw the uncanny structural layout resemblance between the Type 003 and the Ulyanovsk class, I start to believe it might be true.

Both Type 003 and Ulyanovsk have this unique V-Shape stern.

From 逆襲 @horobeyo on 2021.02.26:

俺一开始也以为20MW涡轮发电机是给核鱼用的，两台刚好。
这么看来，4台合计80MW+柴油发电机，003的供电能力惊人。

At first I also thought that the 20MW turbine generator was for nuclear submarine, and two were just right.
In this way, the power supply capacity of four sets of 80MW+ diesel generators in total for the 003 is impressive.

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1365100775081304068

If they still believe these magical boilers, then all I can say is good luck about to obtain this alien technology.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

What??? From what do you come to the conclusion they "chose to buy the Ulyanovsk" or even more "did the Ukrainian ever sell it"?? "Looks like" is not the same as "they bought and copied".

Probably some Soviet era experts who belonged to the project 1143.7 did assist China to design the Type 003.

To build an aircraft carriers isn't just about the electromagnetic catapult and nuclear reactor. Although China has produced these technologies by itself, but we have very little experience to design a supercarrier.

To refurbish the Ulyanovsk design on the Type 003 probably means it is a viable shortcut way for China to build a nuclear supercarrier in the shortest amount of time.

they had to refurbish their first carrier. the second is an enlarged and slightly altered version of the first design. Both of which are based on cruiser hull designs. Now the new one "looks like" another Russian design. ChineseTiger1986 didn't say that it looks like new design or an American design. China has money. Even if if they can design a carrier why waste time on a new design when they can buy a design? Simple economics and speed efficiency. Sure, perhaps the Chinese spent years and huge sums of money creating their own design. That design would be made by people without any experience in designing true aircraft carriers. What would an intelligent person do for their first true carrier hull design? The Chinese are very intelligent so I assume they make logical intelligent choices.

If China is so hasty to refurbish the design of the Ulyanovsk on the Type 003, then it means the Type 003 is becoming more likely nuclear powered.

Otherwise, if China wants to design the Type 003 from scratch, then the successor of the CV-17 would most likely be a 70,000 tonnes class conventional flattop instead of a 90,000 tonnes one that strongly resembles the Ulyanovsk class.

So there is one possible answer: China wants to build a nuclear supercarrier as soon as possible.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Possibly the island structure of the Type 003???