CV-18 Fujian - Type 003 Aircraft Carrier News & Discussions

[Deino]

Come on guys, calm down ... so far there are valid arguments given from both sides and I think we all should take our time and wait. Time will tell who's right and then - in any way - we can celebrate another great achievement of the China's naval modernisation.

 

[vi-va]

You want old early to mid 20th century's technology into 21st century modern aircraft carriers of China???

Boilers were common when there were no gas turbine and nuclear reactors techs (before 60s) available for Naval ships when these technologies available for Naval ships they were relying less and less on boilers technology and discarded their older ship which had have boiler power plants

You have no clue.
nuclear reactor is a boiler as well, the difference is using U235 instead of heavy oil.
If 003 use boiler, the Steam Turbine technology will be developed, and further evolved. 004 Nuclear reactor will use similar steam turbine. So that 003 and 004 will share quite a lot of sub system.

Boiler is not outdated technology at all.

Come on guys, calm down ... so far there are valid arguments given from both sides and I think we all should take our time and wait. Time will tell who's right and then - in any way - we can celebrate another great achievement of the China's naval modernisation.

Agree. Thanks.

Edit:
One more thing.
The need of China and US is different. US navy needs to cover Atlantic, Pacific and Indian Ocean.

It takes 19 days in 29 knots, or 32 days in 17 knots from Japan to British.

China from Sanya to West Indian Ocean only 4500 Nautical mile，11 days in 17knots, or 6.5 days in 30 knots.

Kitty Hawk max speed 32 knots, cruise speed 20 knots.

China 003 requirement is more similar to Kitty Hawk. Good enough to deter India and safe guard sea route.

While I guess 004 will replace the conventional boiler with nuclear reactor, keep using the same Steam Turbine, so the technologies developed in 003 will be continued in 004, less maintenance.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

You have no clue.
nuclear reactor is a boiler as well, the difference is using U235 instead of heavy oil.
If 003 use boiler, the Steam Turbine technology will be developed, and further evolved. 004 Nuclear reactor will use similar steam turbine. So that 003 and 004 will share quite a lot of sub system.

And which process is better for steam production nuclear reactors or Oil fired boilers ??and tell me does nuclear power subs have chimneys for dissipating excess heat you have no clue
Its called heat exchanger not boiler

And nuclear reactors is more compact than your old and obsolete boilers

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

You have no clue.
nuclear reactor is a boiler as well, the difference is using U235 instead of heavy oil.
If 003 use boiler, the Steam Turbine technology will be developed, and further evolved. 004 Nuclear reactor will use similar steam turbine. So that 003 and 004 will share quite a lot of sub system.

Boiler is not outdated technology at all.

Agree. Thanks.

Edit:
One more thing.
The need of China and US is different. US navy needs to cover Atlantic, Pacific and Indian Ocean.
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It takes 19 days in 29 knots, or 32 days in 17 knots from Japan to British.

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China from Sanya to West Indian Ocean only 4500 Nautical mile，11 days in 17knots, or 6.5 days in 30 knots.

Kitty Hawk max speed 32 knots, cruise speed 20 knots.

China 003 requirement is more similar to Kitty Hawk. Good enough to deter India and safe guard sea route.

While I guess 004 will replace the conventional boiler with nuclear reactor, keep using the same Steam Turbine, so the technologies developed in 003 will be continued in 004, less maintenance.

The Kitty Hawk class carriers were all retired, and it never had the intricate technologies like the EMALS and AAG.

Also, the boilers of the Type 002 can't even provide enough power for the Kitty Hawk class.

So stop comparing the Kitty Hawk class with the Type 003, it is totally irrelevant.

 

[vi-va]

And which process is better for steam production nuclear reactors or Oil fired boilers ??and tell me does nuclear power subs have chimneys for dissipating excess heat you have no clue
Its called heat exchanger not boiler

And nuclear reactors is more compact than your old and obsolete boilers

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[lcloo]

I think 99% of us members are getting tire and boring on these to n from no ending argument. Please just accept different opinions exists, and since no one can give concrete proof from official/ semi-official source, why not just stop and wait for the revelation later.

And you guys can put down US$100 each for a bet and collect the money after proving correct. What say?

 

[juj06750]

And which process is better for steam production nuclear reactors or Oil fired boilers ??and tell me does nuclear power subs have chimneys for dissipating excess heat you have no clue
Its called heat exchanger not boiler
And nuclear reactors is more compact than your old and obsolete boilers

again, you MUST do;
first, STUDY before you argue
second, READ properly
third, RESPECT others
otherwise, please everyone leaves this pakistani kid

 

[White and Green with M/S]

again, you MUST do;
first, STUDY before you argue
second, READ properly
third, RESPECT others
otherwise, please everyone leaves this pakistani kid

You first try these argu and was i talking to you we are discussing technical aspects and because you're troll its goes over the head for you and STFU

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Lol you're talking about ground based nuclear plants

 

[White and Green with M/S]

You have no clue.
nuclear reactor is a boiler as well, the difference is using U235 instead of heavy oil.
If 003 use boiler, the Steam Turbine technology will be developed, and further evolved. 004 Nuclear reactor will use similar steam turbine. So that 003 and 004 will share quite a lot of sub system.

Boiler is not outdated technology at all.

Agree. Thanks.

Edit:
One more thing.
The need of China and US is different. US navy needs to cover Atlantic, Pacific and Indian Ocean.
View attachment 696748
It takes 19 days in 29 knots, or 32 days in 17 knots from Japan to British.

View attachment 696749
China from Sanya to West Indian Ocean only 4500 Nautical mile，11 days in 17knots, or 6.5 days in 30 knots.

Kitty Hawk max speed 32 knots, cruise speed 20 knots.

China 003 requirement is more similar to Kitty Hawk. Good enough to deter India and safe guard sea route.

While I guess 004 will replace the conventional boiler with nuclear reactor, keep using the same Steam Turbine, so the technologies developed in 003 will be continued in 004, less maintenance.

And Kitty hawk didn't had have EMALS/ Multiple AESAs and other state of the art electronics so its need more powerful propulsion system than OLD and OBSOLETE BOILERS, so how many boilers do you have in your Type-3 Carriers 4-5???, then it will takes lots of spaces of your up coming carrier

 

[Deino]

Guys ... it is enough! I gave you a friendly reminder to calm down and from now on any additional comment without new evidence and even more any personnel insult will be rated as trolling.

 

[kungfugymnast]

And Kitty hawk didn't had have EMALS/ Multiple AESAs and other state of the art electronics so its need more powerful propulsion system than OLD and OBSOLETE BOILERS, so how many boilers do you have in your Type-3 Carriers 4-5???, then it will takes lots of spaces of your up coming carrier

Type 003 development is still unknown other than the hulls on shipyard. If it's non-nuclear and running on boilers, it will have range disadvantage covering just neighboring sea/ocean not able to save allies from sanction/embargo especially in South America. If it's running on boilers, where does it get power for EMALS?

The Kitty Hawk class carriers were all retired, and it never had the intricate technologies like the EMALS and AAG.

Also, the boilers of the Type 002 can't even provide enough power for the Kitty Hawk class.

So stop comparing the Kitty Hawk class with the Type 003, it is totally irrelevant.

What's the latest news on Type 003? Based on everyone's reply here seems like no progress after I got banned for 2 months. Thought PLAN wanted it to be ready by year end or early next year? Guess it'll postpone

 

[Deino]

Type 003 development is still unknown other than the hulls on shipyard. If it's non-nuclear and running on boilers, it will have range disadvantage covering just neighboring sea/ocean not able to save allies from sanction/embargo especially in South America. If it's running on boilers, where does it get power for EMALS?


What's the latest news on Type 003? Based on everyone's reply here seems like no progress after I got banned for 2 months. Thought PLAN wanted it to be ready by year end or early next year? Guess it'll postpone

OMG!!! Who on earth claimed "PLAN wanted it to be ready by year end or early next year"??

No-one ... you really should have used your vacation from PDF for some homework.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Type 003 development is still unknown other than the hulls on shipyard. If it's non-nuclear and running on boilers, it will have range disadvantage covering just neighboring sea/ocean not able to save allies from sanction/embargo especially in South America. If it's running on boilers, where does it get power for EMALS?


What's the latest news on Type 003? Based on everyone's reply here seems like no progress after I got banned for 2 months. Thought PLAN wanted it to be ready by year end or early next year? Guess it'll postpone

The Type 003 is about to complete the installation of the nuclear reactors, and they don't want the detailed to be leaked.

 

[kungfugymnast]

The Type 003 is about to complete the installation of the nuclear reactors, and they don't want the detailed to be leaked.

Thanks for the info, can't wait to see the ship being commission. By then PLAN will speed up the J-35 development apart from filling the deck with J-15B

OMG!!! Who on earth claimed "PLAN wanted it to be ready by year end or early next year"??

No-one ... you really should have used your vacation from PDF for some homework.

Put you personal hatred aside. As a mod, you should stay neutral and post only facts and points related to topic rather than going personal. Who's giving you warning for rules violation?

 

[Deino]

Thanks for the info, can't wait to see the ship being commission. By then PLAN will speed up the J-35 development apart from filling the deck with J-15B


Put you personal hatred aside. As a mod, you should stay neutral and post only facts and points related to topic rather than going personal. Who's giving you warning for rules violation?

Then please explain where was it stated that the "PLAN wanted it to be ready by year end or early next year" or even more "how should this be done?" The Type 003 is such a huge and complex vessel, it was never possible to have it ready much sooner so that the "PLAN could have introduced it already by year end or early next year"??

So, just as you said with a minor modification:

you should stay neutral and post only facts and points related to topic rather than going off topic and into fan-boy's wet-dreams.

Again, that's not hate, it's common sense and logic against fan-boyish wishful thinking.