CV-18 Fujian - Type 003 Aircraft Carrier News & Discussions

[CIA Mole]

feel like carriers are just like tanks, good at picking off enemies with no counters


does any military have full confidence that a carrier can survive missile barrage?



even Iran can take out a carrier group if they had enough cheap missiles.

$100 million in anti ship missiles can probably cause like $20-$30 billion damage .

 

[samsara]

feel like carriers are just like tanks, good at picking off enemies with no counters


does any military have full confidence that a carrier can survive missile barrage?



even Iran can take out a carrier group if they had enough cheap missiles.

$100 million in anti ship missiles can probably cause like $20-$30 billion damage .

That's why the Uncle Sam attaches the "nuke shield" insurance to its CVBG... the carriers are the extensions of its territories....attacking the carrier is attacking CONUS, and Uncle may nuke you if you do! So far the victim nations like Afghan, Iraq, Libya, Somali have no means to attack the carriers, thus irrelevant. Iran is a different case, Iran has the capability to hit the carrier. The nuke shield applies. Still Uncle is quite cautious in using CVBG to attack Iran. The Strait of Hormuz is quite narrow, CVBG will be the sitting ducks in real conflict there.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I thought he was no longer regarded as credible?

He doesn't even have a slight clue about the Type 075, and expect him to know something much more confidential like the Type 003?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I hope 003 is nuclear powered, but not realistic imo.

Conventional power has no limit, 80k or 100k doesn't matter much.

Only the Type 003 being non-nuclear is not realistic.

Let's assume the Type 003 uses the boilers like the Type 001/002. However, the old Soviet era boilers are seriously underpowered and cannot provide efficient power to a behemoth like the Type 003. And China needs to spend a lot of money to develop a powerful retro technology without any economic sustainability.

If the Type 003 uses the gas turbines, then it needs much bigger island structure than both Type 001 or Type 002, or having a twin island structure like the QE class. And it is also underpowered.

By following these logics, you tell me what type of the power is most suitable for the Type 003?

 

[Deino]

Can anyone explain this a bit more in detail?

Allegedly from the front page of an official brochure of the 14th Research Institute of the China Electronics Technology Corporation (CETC), which shows eventually the fourth Chinese aircraft carrier (looks like no. 19 on the bow).

But I cannot find the original source and as such the question is, how credible is this artwork?
At least the given link leads to nothing.

 

[casual]

Can anyone explain this a bit more in detail?

Allegedly from the front page of an official brochure of the 14th Research Institute of the China Electronics Technology Corporation (CETC), which shows eventually the fourth Chinese aircraft carrier (looks like no. 19 on the bow).

But I cannot find the original source and as such the question is, how credible is this artwork?
At least the given link leads to nothing.

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encouragement to students taking exams. not related to AC.

Only the Type 003 being non-nuclear is not realistic.

Let's assume the Type 003 uses the boilers like the Type 001/002. However, the old Soviet era boilers are seriously underpowered and cannot provide efficient power to a behemoth like the Type 003. And China needs to spend a lot of money to develop a powerful retro technology without any economic sustainability.

If the Type 003 uses the gas turbines, then it needs much bigger island structure than both Type 001 or Type 002, or having a twin island structure like the QE class. And it is also underpowered.

By following these logics, you tell me what type of the power is most suitable for the Type 003?

whatever is it we'll know soon enough. we could start a betting poll. I'm going with gas turbines.

 

[ozranger]

Can anyone explain this a bit more in detail?

Allegedly from the front page of an official brochure of the 14th Research Institute of the China Electronics Technology Corporation (CETC), which shows eventually the fourth Chinese aircraft carrier (looks like no. 19 on the bow).

But I cannot find the original source and as such the question is, how credible is this artwork?
At least the given link leads to nothing.

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Worth noting that It is a conventional fuel powered carrier.

 

[Deino]

Worth noting that It is a conventional fuel powered carrier.

Indeed it has a funnel.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Can anyone explain this a bit more in detail?

Allegedly from the front page of an official brochure of the 14th Research Institute of the China Electronics Technology Corporation (CETC), which shows eventually the fourth Chinese aircraft carrier (looks like no. 19 on the bow).

But I cannot find the original source and as such the question is, how credible is this artwork?
At least the given link leads to nothing.

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It was a fan made CG back from 2018-2019.

And this carrier doesn't even look like the actual Type 003.

whatever is it we'll know soon enough. we could start a betting poll. I'm going with gas turbines.

If it is powered by the gas turbines, then expect two possibilities:

- either the island structure being much larger than the Type 001/002

- or it would have a twin island structure like the QE class

Indeed it has a funnel.

Because fzgfzy said so.

According to his own logic, the Type 003 should even have the export port beneath the waterline.

 

[vi-va]

Only the Type 003 being non-nuclear is not realistic.

Let's assume the Type 003 uses the boilers like the Type 001/002. However, the old Soviet era boilers are seriously underpowered and cannot provide efficient power to a behemoth like the Type 003. And China needs to spend a lot of money to develop a powerful retro technology without any economic sustainability.

If the Type 003 uses the gas turbines, then it needs much bigger island structure than both Type 001 or Type 002, or having a twin island structure like the QE class. And it is also underpowered.

By following these logics, you tell me what type of the power is most suitable for the Type 003?

Whatever we have on the shelves is the most suitable for us. No matter boiler, gas, diesel, or gas + diesel, better than nothing.
No matter 2 aircraft carriers or 3, US has the number on their side.
In this stage:
2 is much better than 1, we can have 1 available in most of time of the year.
3 is much better than 2, we can have 1 available anytime.
4 is best, we can have 1-2 available anytime, and 2 aircraft carriers strike group can knock down most of the navy in the world except US.

Our mission right now is not challenging US in the open ocean, not in our interest. But 2 aircraft carriers strike group can deter any other countries along South China Sea - Malacca - India Ocean.

So it's urgent for us to have 1-2 more carrier ready asap. No matter what it is.

It's national strategy needs, whatever suitable technically is better than nothing for our China.

4 carriers is good enough to keep India navy lower hand for at least 15 years.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Whatever we have on the shelves is the most suitable for us. No matter boiler, gas, diesel, or gas + diesel, better than nothing.
No matter 2 aircraft carriers or 3, US has the number on their side.
In this stage:
2 is much better than 1, we can have 1 available in most of time of the year.
3 is much better than 2, we can have 1 available anytime.
4 is best, we can have 1-2 available anytime, and 2 aircraft carriers strike group can knock down most of the navy in the world except US.

Our mission right now is not challenging US in the open ocean, not in our interest. But 2 aircraft carriers strike group can deter any other countries along South China Sea - Malacca - India Ocean.

So it's urgent for us to have 1-2 more carrier ready asap. No matter what it is.

It's national strategy needs, whatever suitable technically is better than nothing for our China.

4 carriers is good enough to keep India navy lower hand for at least 15 years.

To build a functional CVN with the EMALS will serve as a psychological warfare, and it is about to demonstrate China's technology superiority.

China doesn't need the carrier battlegroups to breach the 1st/2nd island chain, but the DF-26/27 could do this job much more efficiently.

The hot war between the US and China is unlikely to happen, but we are now into serious arm race since the last Cold War.

 

[vi-va]

To build a functional CVN with the EMALS will serve as a psychological warfare, and it is about to demonstrate China's technology superiority.

China doesn't need the carrier battlegroups to breach the 1st/2nd island chain, but the DF-26/27 could do this job much more efficiently.

The hot war between the US and China is unlikely to happen, but we are now into serious arm race since the last Cold War.

Don't over estimate ballistic missiles. Ballistic missile is more meaningful for deterrence, as well as first strike. Over the time, aircraft runway will be repaired, missiles are very limited, can not support a full scale war with rival like US, India.

US is not small country, she has tremendous resource and strong military industry. If a full scale war break out with US, it may last many years before nuclear weapons used. Missiles are only meaningful in the first couple of days, or weeks.

I agree no matter what carrier we have, really doesn't matter much to break the first island chain. but it's very meaningful after breaking first island chain, because our interests are not limited in first island chain, but also along the silk road, Malacca, Indian Ocean.

The carriers are less and less meaningful for SEA POWER dominance anyway, the future depends on bomber and distributed sensors, such as satellites in space, unmanned sub under the sea, network based unmanned AWACS.

Carriers are more designed for oversea power projection, against smaller countries, to protect our over sea interest.

H-20 will be the final SEA POWER dominator for next 20-50 years. US will use B-21 as well as Japan, Australia, Hawaii to counter balance China.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Don't over estimate ballistic missiles. Ballistic missile is more meaningful for deterrence, as well as first strike. Over the time, aircraft runway will be repaired, missiles are very limited, can not support a full scale war with rival like US, India.

US is not small country, she has tremendous resource and strong military industry. If a full scale war break out with US, it may last many years before nuclear weapons used. Missiles are only meaningful in the first couple of days, or weeks.

I agree no matter what carrier we have, really doesn't matter much to break the first island chain. but it's very meaningful after breaking first island chain, because our interests are not limited in first island chain, but also along the silk road, Malacca, Indian Ocean.

The carriers are less and less meaningful for SEA POWER dominance anyway, the future depends on bomber and distributed sensors, such as satellites in space, unmanned sub under the sea, network based unmanned AWACS.

Carriers are more designed for oversea power projection, against smaller countries, to protect our over sea interest.

H-20 will be the final SEA POWER dominator for next 20-50 years. US will use B-21 as well as Japan, Australia, Hawaii to counter balance China.

China has never underestimated the US, but it is the US who has constantly overestimated its power and capability. Heck, they can't even handle the COVID-19.

Back to the topic.

In order for the Type 003 being conventional, either it get powered by those crappy Soviet-era boilers or having a twin island structure like the QE class. And the PLAN elites definitely won't like any of these options.

 

[vi-va]

China has never underestimated the US, but it is the US who has constantly overestimated its power and capability. Heck, they can't even handle the COVID-19.

Back to the topic.

In order for the Type 003 being conventional, either it get powered by those crappy Soviet-era boilers or having a twin island structure like the QE class. And the PLAN elites definitely won't like any of these options.

so many years passed, I bet the 003 be using different boilers.

 

[shanlung]

China has never underestimated the US, but it is the US who has constantly overestimated its power and capability. Heck, they can't even handle the COVID-19.

Muricans cannot even handle their own erections