CV-17 Shandong - Type 002 Aircraft Carrier News & Discussions

[帅的一匹]

I really hope this new aircraft carrier will be named after the Jiangsu province, as the PLAN was first established in that region almost exactly 68 years ago.

I prefer it as Deng shi Chang.

 

[ChineseToTheBone]

It's already named Shandong.

Not yet actually, since no official name was given by those superiors present during the launch.

 

[帅的一匹]

The name of Shandong doesn't have momentum.

 

[ChineseToTheBone]

I quite like the current idea of naming them after coastal provinces, though Hebei will definitely sound the worst for me. The news article posted some pages back listed Taiwan as the most voted name online for this aircraft carrier, but that is slightly too bold of a choice for now. Haha.

 

[samsara]

"Keel laying" or "laid down" is the formal commencement of the construction of a ship.

Happened in May 2015 and we have satellite pics for proof.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/cv-1...-news-discussions.416441/page-56#post-9417461

Thank you @j20blackdragon for the reminder
You're QUITE RIGHT that it's the "keel laying" that should be taken as the formal commencement of a ship construction, and is a common reference in shipbuilding industry.

Some readers here may not really grasp what's the keel laying, so here it's

KEEL LAYING

Laying the keel or laying down is the formal recognition of the start of a ship's construction. It is often marked with a ceremony attended by dignitaries from the shipbuilding company and the ultimate owners of the ship.

Keel laying is one of the four specially-celebrated events in the life of a ship; the others are launching, commissioning, and decommissioning.

In earlier times, the event recognized as the keel laying was the initial placement of the central timber making up the backbone of a vessel, called the keel. As steel ships replaced wooden ones, the central timber gave way to a central steel beam. Modern ships are now largely built in a series of pre-fabricated, complete hull sections rather than being built around a single keel. The event recognized as the keel laying is the first joining of modular components, or the lowering of the first module into place in the building dock. It is now often called "keel authentication", and is the ceremonial beginning of the ship's life, although modules may have been started months before that stage of construction.

 

[TaiShang]

China officially launches its second -- and the first domestically developed -- aircraft carrier on Apr 26, 2017, in Dalian, Liaoning province. [Photo/Xinhua]


China has moved closer toward its goal of operating domestically made aircraft carriers as it officially launched its first on Wednesday morning in Dalian, Liaoning province.

The ship is the largest and most sophisticated surface vessel China has ever built.

General Fan Changlong, vice-chairman of the Central Military Commission, took part in the launch ceremony at a shipyard in the northeastern coastal city. Fan's presence indicates the significance Chinese leaders attach to the colossal ship, because only the most important equipment for the People's Liberation Army would have top-level officers at the public debut ceremony.

The carrier was towed from its dry dock and then moored at an outfitting berth, according to a news release published by the military after the ceremony.

Currently, the PLA Navy operates a single aircraft carrier, CNS Liaoning, which originally was an incomplete Soviet-era vessel and received an extensive refit at the Dalian shipyard, where the new carrier is being constructed, before going into service in September 2012.

The new carrier was designed in China and construction began in November 2013. Work in the dry dock started in March 2015, and when launched its propulsion and power systems had already been installed, the military said.

In the next phase, the carrier will start the outfitting process and engineers will test and fine-tune equipment already mounted on the ship, the news release said. During the outfitting stage, engineers and workers will complete installation of the ship's interior equipment and systems, as well as its weaponry. At the same time, the mooring trials will be conducted to verify the carrier's overall design and equipment, it added.

The new carrier's name and hull code remain unknown, as the Navy usually makes public such information when a ship is commissioned.

It will have a displacement of about 50,000 metric tons and a conventional propulsion system. It will carry domestically developed J-15 fighter jets and other ship-borne aircraft, Defense Ministry spokesman Yang Yujun previously has said. He noted that the ship will use ski jump style takeoffs for fixed-wing aircraft, the same as the Liaoning.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said on Wednesday in response to questions on the carrier's launch that China's military is being developed as a defensive posture and the nation pursues peace.

"We develop military forces, including the Navy, to safeguard the country's sovereign security and development interests and to maintain world peace," he said in a regular news briefing.

Major General Chen Zhou, a senior strategy researcher at the PLA Academy of Military Science, said in March that the second carrier is not the end of China's aircraft carrier program, as the nation will build more.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2017-04/27/content_29106367_2.htm

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Congrats China! She's a beautiful ship. May she serve your people in the finest traditions of the great navies.

 

[samsara]

China officially launches its second -- and the first domestically developed -- aircraft carrier on Apr 26, 2017, in Dalian, Liaoning province. [Photo/Xinhua]


China has moved closer toward its goal of operating domestically made aircraft carriers as it officially launched its first on Wednesday morning in Dalian, Liaoning province.

The ship is the largest and most sophisticated surface vessel China has ever built.

General Fan Changlong, vice-chairman of the Central Military Commission, took part in the launch ceremony at a shipyard in the northeastern coastal city. Fan's presence indicates the significance Chinese leaders attach to the colossal ship, because only the most important equipment for the People's Liberation Army would have top-level officers at the public debut ceremony.

The carrier was towed from its dry dock and then moored at an outfitting berth, according to a news release published by the military after the ceremony.

Currently, the PLA Navy operates a single aircraft carrier, CNS Liaoning, which originally was an incomplete Soviet-era vessel and received an extensive refit at the Dalian shipyard, where the new carrier is being constructed, before going into service in September 2012.

The new carrier was designed in China and construction began in November 2013. Work in the dry dock started in March 2015, and when launched its propulsion and power systems had already been installed, the military said.

In the next phase, the carrier will start the outfitting process and engineers will test and fine-tune equipment already mounted on the ship, the news release said. During the outfitting stage, engineers and workers will complete installation of the ship's interior equipment and systems, as well as its weaponry. At the same time, the mooring trials will be conducted to verify the carrier's overall design and equipment, it added.

The new carrier's name and hull code remain unknown, as the Navy usually makes public such information when a ship is commissioned.

It will have a displacement of about 50,000 metric tons and a conventional propulsion system. It will carry domestically developed J-15 fighter jets and other ship-borne aircraft, Defense Ministry spokesman Yang Yujun previously has said. He noted that the ship will use ski jump style takeoffs for fixed-wing aircraft, the same as the Liaoning.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said on Wednesday in response to questions on the carrier's launch that China's military is being developed as a defensive posture and the nation pursues peace.

"We develop military forces, including the Navy, to safeguard the country's sovereign security and development interests and to maintain world peace," he said in a regular news briefing.

Major General Chen Zhou, a senior strategy researcher at the PLA Academy of Military Science, said in March that the second carrier is not the end of China's aircraft carrier program, as the nation will build more.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2017-04/27/content_29106367_2.htm

A nation as large as China with worldwide commercial interests is well deserved to have eight to ten CVBG incl. the many CVN. And just borrowing the words from the current empire holder, it is not about posturing, it's all about securing a nation's own sovereign security and development interests and to maintain world peace! Any country may go on building as many CV as it is capable in commensurate with its building capability & capacity as well as its financing ability as necessary!

Trust me, there will be a numerical series of 001, 001A, 002, 002A, 003, 003A, and so forth... the advancement just keeps on going... it's the true meaning of what so-called R&D, keep on moving higher and higher

 

[kuge]

I quite like the current idea of naming them after coastal provinces, though Hebei will definitely sound the worst for me. The news article posted some pages back listed Taiwan as the most voted name online for this aircraft carrier, but that is slightly too bold of a choice for now. Haha.

it will be better if name after spiritual elements

 

[samsara]

it will be better if name after spiritual elements

To what I read: HAINAN, then BEIJING, then SHANDONG are the most possible choices of the CV-17's name, in such respective order. TAIWAN may be a popular choice among the social media users, but it has very low possibility to be adopted (just not helpful for the peaceful reunification efforts).

 

[rcrmj]

PLA watchers said Steel cutting already begin at Jiangnan Changxing Shipyard in Shanghai. so soon we will probability see something there. This is for Type 002 carrier which will be 85,000 tons with CATOBAR.

002 wont be that big```its smaller than USS Kitty Hawk```!

Just two thoughts ...

1. Anyone with an idea, why there are still these IMO stupid reports that the 001A is about 13m longer and 4m wider than the 001 ?? Images show and prove since months that both are roughly of exact the same dimensions ? (the green line on the left shows the same length of the dock's width.
Must be either a stupid reporter or some over-enthusiastic fan-boy who thinks bigger is better or with very small hands.

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2. Interesting front-view comparison ...

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mostly rearrangements of inside structure````the hangar is 2X% bigger than liaoning```layouts are more efficient and practical``the engines, radar, bits and bots````oh, that guy is going to be very busy in coming years, collecting data from this new carrier``````I am really looking forward to his 'return' from the sea next time `!!

 

[Akasa]

To what I read: HAINAN, then BEIJING, then SHANDONG are the most possible choices of the CV-17's name, in such respective order. TAIWAN may be a popular choice among the social media users, but it has very low possibility to be adopted (just not helpful for the peaceful reunification efforts).

All capital ships in the PLAN seem to be named after provinces rather than cities.

 

[ChineseToTheBone]

it will be better if name after spiritual elements

I am not sure what you mean by this. Like the four elements?

 

[Deino]

"Keel laying" or "laid down" is the formal commencement of the construction of a ship.

Happened in May 2015 and we have satellite pics for proof.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/cv-1...-news-discussions.416441/page-56#post-9417461

From what I know it already happened on March 10th !

However concerning how soon we might see something at Shanghai, I'm not sure ... if steel-cutting was indeed only last year, so we probably will only see something substantial - like laying-down - only a mid-2018.

 

[samsara]

All capital ships in the PLAN seem to be named after provinces rather than cities.

The main idea is to name the CVs after the Coastal provinces OR the Municipalities with the capital city at the top of four.