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Current Tensions in Xinjiang-China

It's really funny how Indians are all of a sudden worried about Chinese Muslims while in Kashmir Muslims are killed and raped by IA.I request my Pakistani brothers to not become emotional.The Indians here are trying to make animosty between China and Pakistan.
 
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It's really funny how Indians are all of a sudden worried about Chinese Muslims while in Kashmir Muslims are killed and raped by IA.I request my Pakistani brothers to not become emotional.The Indians here are trying to make animosty between China and Pakistan.

Just like Pakistanis are worried about Indians living in Assam ...and are not bothered about Baloch people who are being exploited since independence...
 
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Most noticeable thing in behaviour of chinese gov. was tht this time they fully allowed international news teams to report,CNN was reporting from Ürümqi!,they Uyghurs were attacking Han Chinese folks when riots started and next day Han Chinese were out on streets with bats and sticks to revenge!

yes... we see china is changin... :) in Tibet the force china used against buddhists is not in xinjing against Uighur muslims... but Hui muslims are biggest of all muslims... :)

Islam in China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

chinese leaders saying to the Han people "dont hurt your Uighur sisters and brothers"... "we are a nation united".... "the family members of the culprits are not guilty".... "please calm down, our enemies want us to fight each other".... :)

Han people not allowed to birth more than one child... but Hui, Uighur, Kajakhs, Kyrghis, Tajiks, Tartars, Ozbeks... these Muslims allowed to have many children... they get govt aids, quarters... Han people dont get... Muslims get quota facilities in education, Han people dont get...

Xinjiang a desert area, no grass is even there... it has only some oil reserve... so US is greedy to get the oil by using Rebia Kadeer, if China abandons it taking away all infrastructres, assets back... those Uighurs will go back to ancient peroid.... US come there to form govt, Rebia the president... US will abandon it after taking all oil... only NATO remains.... Uighurians are stupids... they dont understand whats US intersts there... :)

look... Rebia kadeer not even in Istanbul, but in Washington.... why? where is Turkish nationalism?... Turky dont allow that Lady Osama... :) But America allows... lol...
 
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Oh i can't blame them for their lies and maybe they deserve some nobel prize for the fairy technology about re-writing the facts.

Besides, the western media's eagerness in reporting the tradgedy in membuy has its reasons
1st it is a tradgedy
2nd their traditional anti-islam attitudes
3rd many of the victims are anglo-saxon speaking travelers/ US & UK people.So they were worrying about their own citizens.

well well well I respect your faith in BBC it's OK but what i have to say is that their anti-comu attitude blind their eyes(maybe their heart) to what happened.
 
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yes... we see china is changin... :) in Tibet the force china used against buddhists is not in xinjing against Uighur muslims... but Hui muslims are biggest of all muslims... :)

Islam in China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Han people not allowed to birth more than one child... but Hui, Uighur, Kajakhs, Kyrghis, Tajiks, Tartars, Ozbeks... these Muslims allowed to have many children... they get govt aids, quarters... Han people dont get... Muslims get quota facilities in education, Han people dont get...

Xinjiang a desert area, no grass is even there... it has only some oil reserve... so US is greedy to get the oil by using Rebia Kadeer, if China abandons it taking away all infrastructres, assets back... those Uighurs will go back to ancient peroid.... US come there to form govt, Rebia the president... US will abandon it after taking all oil... only NATO remains.... Uighurians are stupids... they dont understand whats US intersts there... :)

look... Rebia kadeer not even in Istanbul, but in Washington.... why? where is Turkish nationalism?... Turky dont allow that Lady Osama... :) But America allows... lol...

Thanks for your post here, we know she is not in islambad and the whole stuff has nothing to do with pakistan. i also believe that everything gonna be all right and every ethnic groups are equally treated.
 
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1st it is a tradgedy

The world is not sunshine and butter files sweetheart,tragic incident happen all over the world.The same media (BBC/CNN) reported Katrina killings, Godhra riots,Marriot bombings.You cannot blame CNN/BBC for reporting the incidents

2nd their traditional anti-islam attitudes

So you want the world media not to report tragic stories from China?
3rd many of the victims are anglo-saxon speaking travelers.
Do you even know what anglo saxon means...because i could not understand the use of that word in your sentence
Anglo-Saxons is the term usually people used to describe the Germanic-speaking tribes in the south and east of Great Britain from their arrival in the 5th to 6th centuries and throughout the Early Middle Ages
Here
 
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First of all American, don't you dare lecture me on history. If anyone needs a good lecture on history it's your people.

Show your prejudice!

Truth is ethnic independent. If you think otherwise, only appropriate description is “ myopic” and “racist”.

Let’s go for rational discussion, if you are sincere.

BTW, I assure you many Americans are ignorant, because they don't have to care. Hopefully we don't fall into that category.

Yeah just like the British ratifying the the Balfour Declaration in 1917, which gave away Palestine to the Zionist. Now what right does Britain have to give the Jews/Zionist someone else s homeland? None whatsoever. It doesn't make it morally right nor is it justified in fact it is criminal.

Now let me teach you something here American, the province you and the Chinese refer to as "Xinjiang" (in Chinese
新界) means in English "New Territory"*. It is New territory or new frontier! Face it it was Chinese imperialism in historic Turkic lands that resulted in the occupation of East Turkistan. A source is available below.

Xinjiang: China's Muslim borderland - Google Books

You are free to hold your opinions.

The fact (not opinion) is, the Han Chinese had control over Xinjiang, where multiple ethnics thrived there except Turkic people, as early as West Han Dynasty around 60 BC, with its headquarters at Wulei (now in North Tarim Basin). Later, an extension of Great Wall, a typical symbol of ancient Chinese sphere of control, was built 300 miles into present Gansu-Xinjiang border.

The Uighurs seemed to appear (only) around 3 DC as Han Dynasty declines.

The resurrection of Tang Dynasty witnessed re-control of Xinjiang, with two military commanderies in Anxi (640) and Beiting (702) in the north and south of the Tian Shan. The decrease of Tang dynasty helped Arabic influence in these areas. Nonetheless, Mongolian still remained as the language at that time.

Yuan had also incorporated the region into China, but Qing Dynasty (1644-1911) asserted its firm control over it.

BTW, Xinjiang is not 新界, which means “new border”, but 新疆.

The new territory was new in ancient times, but is not new anymore now. There are thousands of weird names originated 5-6 thousand years ago in China, they don’t have any nowadays’ meaning but only serve as token.

If you use a location name with an origination that even you don’t know, how can you use that to justify your political slogan? Wouldn’t you feel this is naïve and funny? :lol:

And none of what you have said discounts my previous points.

"Uyghurs are not Chinese or share Chinese heritage, they are a Turkic people who belong to the Turan not to the Chinese motherland. Their language is not Chinese they do not speak Mandarin or Cantonese they speak Turkic. Their culture is also different from yours. Let me reiterate, they are not your people and East Turkistan is not nor has ever been your land!"-A1Kaid

Remind you that, China is a multi-ethnic country with Han the majority.

There are Russians and Kazaks, etc. They look different and speak differently from Han, and share no heritage of the Chinese. Should each and every of those ethnics declare independence form China?

National self-determination is a controversial issue. While people are entitled with the rights to shake off the shackles of colonists and imperialism, it is also believed that &#8216;Yet if every ethnic, religious or linguistic group claimed statehood, there would be no limit to fragmentation, and peace, security and well-being for all would become ever more difficult to achieve.&#8217; (UN Secretary-General Boutros Boutros-Ghali stated in his otherwise upbeat 1992 report <An Agenda for Peace>).

You cannot disapprove not one point I made, because I stand on the facts.

It's funny how you Americans call for the freedom of Taiwan and Tibet and support Dalai Lama's freedom movement, you even allowed him in the White House (Bush tenure) with a decked out event. Yet, when it comes to East Turkistan you become hypocrites.

Quite frankly, I'm not interested in US opinion nor do I care for US foreign desires.

Peevishness doesn&#8217;t make a claim any more appealing.

You don&#8217;t have to heed US government, and I certainly don't. I only represent myself, as an individual, not US government.

I oppose Taiwan independence. I oppose Tibet independence. Because for those particular cases, &#8220;there would be no limit to fragmentation, and peace, security and well-being for all would become ever more difficult to achieve&#8221;.

I already pointed that out, the Uyghur Turks have been living in East Turkistan for thousands of years, they cultivated the land, the raised the cities, gardens, they named the towns, and their ancestry is in Central Asia, the Turkic homeland. What you fail to understand is, 1933 is a significant date in the modern time line of this "Grand Chessboard" you talk about, but your an American what do I expect. Always wanting to mingle and have your say in Asian/Eastern affairs.




See here, "It doesn't matter", this is a very typical attitude you types have, what doesn't matter is your opinion. Actually the history does matter. I understand some feel China will never let go of "Xinjiang" or it's occupied "New Territory" but their are things that can be done that will not be discussed.

As history and facts demonstrates, Uyghurs are not the first people living in that land. Other ethnics and Han Chinese controlled the land 60 BC and earlier, whereas Turkic speakers started to have influence only when Tang declined.

By your logic, Turkic speakers should also evacuate the land and yield to Han or to those pre Han ethnics. How ridiculous!

Human rights issue has to be addressed in China in general, and in Xinjiang, Tibet and anywhere else in particular. Secession is not a solution. Instead, a worsened human rights record can be foreseen.

1933 event is nothing but a Soviet Union plot plus other factors. Many leaders of the short-lived event are educated in Soviets. Just spend some time reading through Russian, Chinese, British, American documents. Only people under-educated in this aspect would laughably use it as their banner.

Everything in the universe moves according to certain laws. In international relationship, great powers out-maneuver others on the chessboard. We can call it unjust, we can call it barbarous, but that&#8217;s the way current people behave. If smaller countries are wise, they can unite to form a stronger power. That again is following the laws.

Stuff works according to laws, it doesn&#8217;t matter how petulantly somebody tries in defiance of the laws that govern the movement of the Universe. Wise man is wise because he studies the laws, discovers new laws, understands the laws and uses laws better than any other people, not in defiance

Just let you know that, in the particular riots, the Uyghurs kill not just Han. They also kill muslim Hui.
 
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We can criticize CCP but A1Kaid are you suggestng Xinjiang does not belong to China?China got Xinjiang several decades ago.If any Pakistani brother support Free East Turkistan Movement (which is a terrorist movement )then it means he also support Free Balochistan and Free Pakhtunistan Movement and Taliban/AQ Terrorism.
 
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Thanks for your post here, we know she is not in islambad and the whole stuff has nothing to do with pakistan. i also believe that everything gonna be all right and every ethnic groups are equally treated.

dont be upset my friend... such things happens... Rebia will pay the price for the bloodshed of human beings... she incited hatred among simple minded Uighurs...

Here i am giving you a sloka from our Gita... Lord Krishna told Arjuna just before the Kurukshetra war... :)

"Yada Yada Hi Dharmasya Glanir Bhavati Bharatha
Abhyuthanam Adharmasya Tadathmanam Srijamyaham.

Parithranaya Sadhunam Vinashayacha Dushkritham
Dharma Samsthapanarthaya Sambhavami Yuge Yuge."


English translation:

Whenever there is decay of righteousness O! Bharatha. And a rise of unrighteousness; I who am always present and watching will take charge and set things in balance for you. To protect the good and to destroy evil and establish righteousness, I manifest.

:)
 
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It's really funny how Indians are all of a sudden worried about Chinese Muslims while in Kashmir Muslims are killed and raped by IA.I request my Pakistani brothers to not become emotional.The Indians here are trying to make animosty between China and Pakistan.

Hmm... So Palastine is Israel's internal issue
Godhra is India's internal issue
Balochistan in Pakistan's internal issue

And unlike some members claim here .... that Pakistan will speak up for Muslims everywhere in the world.......That is not true.

Okay, good to know that.
 
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What a freaking BS!

East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM) was declared a terrorist organisation by United Nations in 2002.

Terrorism Zindabad! :rofl: :flame:
He does not represent the whole Pakistani Nation and we certainly don't support Terrorism.
 
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In the ultimate analysis, the riots in Xinjiang and the fallout thereof are things for the Chinese to sort out. It is apparent that they are very serious and much perturbed about the turn of events. President Hu Jintao has cut short the G-8 summit and has gone back to take stock of things. I think we should leave the Chinese to tackle the issue. The least we can do is condole the loss of life in Xinjiang and hope normalcy is restored at the earliest.
It is pointless gloating at a neighbour's misery and sling mud on each other.
 
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Sorry, but you did not understood what I said.
Uighurs are the local people, han-chinese are immigrants. ...

This is a completely and totally wrong perception.

Both Uighurs and Hans are migrants to Xinjiang.

Han Chinese had control over Xinjiang as early as West Han Dynasty around 60 BC, with its headquarters at Wulei (now in North Tarim Basin). Multiple ethnics thrived there around that time except Uighurs. Later, an extension of Great Wall, a typical symbol of ancient Chinese sphere of control, was built 300 miles into present Gansu-Xinjiang border.

The Uighurs seemed to appear (only) around 3 DC as Han Dynasty declines.

The resurrection of China through Tang Dynasty witnessed re-control of Xinjiang, with two military commanderies in Anxi (640) and Beiting (702) in the north and south of the Tian Shan. The decrease of Tang dynasty helped Arabic influence in these areas. Nonetheless, Mongolian still remained as the language at that time.

Yuan had also incorporated the region into China, but Qing Dynasty (1644-1911) asserted its firm control over it. Note that Qing is of Man ethnic.


Therefore, Uighur IS NOT local people in that sense.
 
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I hope the mods will forgive me for this one

I know the forum rules say no one liners but i gotta ask this to Gpit.

Therefore, Uighur IS NOT local people in that sense.
How long does it take a ughir Muslim immigrant to become a local according to you ?

Its an honest question.
 
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