Current Tensions in Xinjiang-China

[scshqgcm]

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when the same thing happen in china,it is not a riot but a protest

 

[scshqgcm]

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riot in Xinjiang,tell me what is peaceful protest?

 

[scshqgcm]

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terrorists are peaceful protests

 

[Gabbar]

Dude put some warnings and post these as links not images!!!

 

[scshqgcm]

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protest in peaceful in 3 hours and killed 156 and 1046 wounded,so peaceful? in a logic ,you r chinese so it is not a big problem.

and they would say--------oh chinese army killed innocent protestors

 

[Kasrkin]

scshqgsm, is there any way for you to confirm that all this is a result of violence by the protestors and not the state machinery?

Thanks.

 

[scshqgcm]

scshqgsm, is there any way for you to confirm that all this is a result of violence by the protestors and not the state machinery?

Thanks.

http://www.zaobao.com/photoweb/urumchi.shtml

this is a singapore media,and in china ,most of state media is not allow to show it ........in order to keep han chinese cool down ,not to revenge

bbc cnn or other west media is in Xinjiang too,but i dont think they will show the world these pictures


how many muslims in china,20million.
how many different muslim nationality in china? 10
Hui, Uygur, Kazak, Uzbek, Tajik, Tatar, Kirgiz, Salar, Dongxiang ，baoan



is this a muslim problem? no
it's a Uygur Separatist forces problem,,,,,,,,

 

[indiatech]

i forgive you for your ignorance and bias to china! do you really know china?? how many news you get from china? fromBBC.CNN, do you know how many indian reporter in china? only 1 since 2008, anyway ,i hope indian can send more their reporter to china to provide a real china to indian people . but get everything from western media !

Huh ignorance ? Mate you can't just skip the communist attrocities and domination of spread of islam in china just like that by throwing a few words of propaganda like that to me.

Have you travelled to XinJiang ? If yes, could you please answer some of the following realities/rules faced by muslim people in XinJiang. Note these are not from western media. Some of them are even displayed infront of the mosques why :

1. The imam's sermon at Friday Prayer must run no longer than a half-hour. Prayer in public areas outside the mosque is forbidden.

2. Residents of Khotan are not allowed to worship at mosques outside of town.

3. Rules displayed on the wall of mosques says that government workers and nonreligious people may not be "forced" to attend services at the mosque - a generous wording of a law that prohibits government workers and Communist Party members from going at all. Why government officials who are Muslims are not allowed to pray? you can go yourself and see the rules in mosque in Khotan. I think the rules have now been put in the internet as well last year.
The government restrictions are posted inside mosques and elsewhere across Xinjiang.

4. Imams may not teach the Koran in private, and studying Arabic is allowed only at special government schools.

5. Two of Islam's five pillars - the sacred fasting month of Ramadan and the pilgrimage to Mecca called the hajj - are also carefully controlled.Students and government workers are compelled to eat during Ramadan, and the passports of Uighurs have been confiscated across Xinjiang to force them to join government-run hajj tours rather than travel illegally to Mecca on their own.

6. Any educated man would know that heavy-handed tactics like the restrictions on Islam will only radicalize more Uighurs. why the govt keep saying "three forces" of separatism, terrorism and religious extremism threaten to destabilize the region.Many of the rules have been on the books for years, but some local governments in Xinjiang have publicly highlighted them in the past seven weeks by posting the laws on Web sites or hanging banners in towns.

7. Han Chinese, the country's dominant ethnic group, discriminate against Uighurs based on the most obvious differences between the groups: language and religion. This is evident as Uighurs are not prefered for jobs sometimes. Why many Han Chinese see Islam as the root of social problems in Xinjiang, when you speak with them.
Meanwhile Chinese government, which is officially atheist, recognizes five religions - Islam, Protestantism, Catholicism, Taoism and Buddhism. One interview with a Han man who runs construction business in Kashgar, he said: The Uighurs are lazy. It's because of their religion " he said. "They spend so much time praying. What are they praying for?"

8. Signs painted on mud-brick walls in the winding alleyways of old Kashgar warn against making illegal pilgrimages. A red banner hanging on a large mosque in the Uighur area of Urumqi, the regional capital, says, "Implement the policy of organized and planned pilgrimage; individual pilgrimage is forbidden."

9. The government gives various reasons for controlling the hajj. Officials say that the Saudi Arabian government is concerned about crowded conditions in Mecca that have led to fatal tramplings, and that Muslims who leave China on their own sometimes spend too much money on the pilgrimage.Critics say the government is trying to restrict the movements of Uighurs and prevent them from coming into contact with other Muslims, fearing that such exchanges could build a pan-Islamic identity in Xinjiang. About two years ago, the government began confiscating the passports of Uighurs across the region, angering many people. Now virtually no Uighurs have passports, though they can apply for them for short trips.The new restriction has made life especially difficult for businessmen who travel to neighbouring countries.To get a passport to go on an official hajj tour or a business trip, applicants must leave a deposit of nearly $6,000

What on the bloody hell is this ?

10. One man in Kashgar said the imam at his mosque, who like all official imams is paid by the government, had recently been urging congregants to go to Mecca only with legal tours. That is not easy for many Uighurs. The cost of an official trip is the equivalent of $3,700, and hefty bribes usually raise the price. Once a person files an application, the authorities do a background check into the family. If the applicant has children, the children must be old enough to be financially self-sufficient, and the applicant is required to show that he or she has substantial savings in the bank.Rules posted last year on the Xinjiang government's Web site say the applicant must be 50 to 70 years old, "love the country and obey the law." A govt employee might very well lose his pension if he went on the hajj.

11. The rules on fasting during Ramadan are just as strict. They vary by town and county but include requiring restaurants to stay open during daylight hours and mandating that women not wear veils and men shave their beards. One rule that officials in some towns seem especially intent on enforcing is the ban on students' fasting. Supporters of this policy say students need to eat to study properly. in Kashgar university locked the gates and put glass shards along the top of a campus wall. tried to force students to eat during the day by prohibiting them from leaving campus in the evening to join their families in breaking the daily fast.

 

[zombie]

So does the state media post images of its crackdown on the uighur muslims and all the folks they killed earlier? Does such things make the chinese angry or only when the hans are killed?

Give an honest answer if you can instead of going off in flames.

 

[scshqgcm]

So does the state media post images of its crackdown on the uighur muslims and all the folks they killed earlier? Does such things make the chinese angry or only when the hans are killed?

Give an honest answer if you can instead of going off in flames.

when chinese r in trouble ,you indians r happy,and i tell you there r no such pictures on state media,these pictures r not allow to show in china now,i got this from oversea media
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[indiatech]

http://www.zaobao.com/photoweb/urumchi.shtml

this is a singapore media,and in china ,most of state media is not allow to show it ........in order to keep han chinese cool down ,not to revenge

bbc cnn or other west media is in Xinjiang too,but i dont think they will show the world these pictures


how many muslims in china,20million.
how many different muslim nationality in china? 10
Hui, Uygur, Kazak, Uzbek, Tajik, Tatar, Kirgiz, Salar, Dongxiang ，baoan



is this a muslim problem? no
it's a Uygur Separatist forces problem,,,,,,,,

Please explain what are the problems below supposed to be:

1. The imam's sermon at Friday Prayer must run no longer than a half-hour. Prayer in public areas outside the mosque is forbidden.

2. Residents of Khotan are not allowed to worship at mosques outside of town.

3. Rules displayed on the wall of mosques says that government workers and nonreligious people may not be "forced" to attend services at the mosque - a generous wording of a law that prohibits government workers and Communist Party members from going at all. Why government officials who are Muslims are not allowed to pray? you can go yourself and see the rules in mosque in Khotan. I think the rules have now been put in the internet as well last year.
The government restrictions are posted inside mosques and elsewhere across Xinjiang.

4. Imams may not teach the Koran in private, and studying Arabic is allowed only at special government schools.

5. Two of Islam's five pillars - the sacred fasting month of Ramadan and the pilgrimage to Mecca called the hajj - are also carefully controlled.Students and government workers are compelled to eat during Ramadan, and the passports of Uighurs have been confiscated across Xinjiang to force them to join government-run hajj tours rather than travel illegally to Mecca on their own.

6. Any educated man would know that heavy-handed tactics like the restrictions on Islam will only radicalize more Uighurs. why the govt keep saying "three forces" of separatism, terrorism and religious extremism threaten to destabilize the region.Many of the rules have been on the books for years, but some local governments in Xinjiang have publicly highlighted them in the past seven weeks by posting the laws on Web sites or hanging banners in towns.

7. Han Chinese, the country's dominant ethnic group, discriminate against Uighurs based on the most obvious differences between the groups: language and religion. This is evident as Uighurs are not prefered for jobs sometimes. Why many Han Chinese see Islam as the root of social problems in Xinjiang, when you speak with them.
Meanwhile Chinese government, which is officially atheist, recognizes five religions - Islam, Protestantism, Catholicism, Taoism and Buddhism. One interview with a Han man who runs construction business in Kashgar, he said: The Uighurs are lazy. It's because of their religion " he said. "They spend so much time praying. What are they praying for?"

8. Signs painted on mud-brick walls in the winding alleyways of old Kashgar warn against making illegal pilgrimages. A red banner hanging on a large mosque in the Uighur area of Urumqi, the regional capital, says, "Implement the policy of organized and planned pilgrimage; individual pilgrimage is forbidden."

9. The government gives various reasons for controlling the hajj. Officials say that the Saudi Arabian government is concerned about crowded conditions in Mecca that have led to fatal tramplings, and that Muslims who leave China on their own sometimes spend too much money on the pilgrimage.Critics say the government is trying to restrict the movements of Uighurs and prevent them from coming into contact with other Muslims, fearing that such exchanges could build a pan-Islamic identity in Xinjiang. About two years ago, the government began confiscating the passports of Uighurs across the region, angering many people. Now virtually no Uighurs have passports, though they can apply for them for short trips.The new restriction has made life especially difficult for businessmen who travel to neighbouring countries.To get a passport to go on an official hajj tour or a business trip, applicants must leave a deposit of nearly $6,000

What on the bloody hell is this ?

10. One man in Kashgar said the imam at his mosque, who like all official imams is paid by the government, had recently been urging congregants to go to Mecca only with legal tours. That is not easy for many Uighurs. The cost of an official trip is the equivalent of $3,700, and hefty bribes usually raise the price. Once a person files an application, the authorities do a background check into the family. If the applicant has children, the children must be old enough to be financially self-sufficient, and the applicant is required to show that he or she has substantial savings in the bank.Rules posted last year on the Xinjiang government's Web site say the applicant must be 50 to 70 years old, "love the country and obey the law." A govt employee might very well lose his pension if he went on the hajj.

11. The rules on fasting during Ramadan are just as strict. They vary by town and county but include requiring restaurants to stay open during daylight hours and mandating that women not wear veils and men shave their beards. One rule that officials in some towns seem especially intent on enforcing is the ban on students' fasting. Supporters of this policy say students need to eat to study properly. in Kashgar university locked the gates and put glass shards along the top of a campus wall. tried to force students to eat during the day by prohibiting them from leaving campus in the evening to join their families in breaking the daily fast.

 

[scshqgcm]

So does the state media post images of its crackdown on the uighur muslims and all the folks they killed earlier? Does such things make the chinese angry or only when the hans are killed?

Give an honest answer if you can instead of going off in flames.

you r trying to make,do you think that we r fools,this is not a muslim problem,i dont get what you said

 

[indiatech]

when chinese r in trouble ,you indians r happy,and i tell you there r no such pictures on state media,these pictures r not allow to show in china now,i got this from oversea media
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No Indian is happy with what is going on and what went on in the past few years. We value human life the most. But at the same time we discriminate sabotage .

 

[scshqgcm]

Please explain what are the problems below supposed to be:

1. The imam's sermon at Friday Prayer must run no longer than a half-hour. Prayer in public areas outside the mosque is forbidden.

2. Residents of Khotan are not allowed to worship at mosques outside of town.

3. Rules displayed on the wall of mosques says that government workers and nonreligious people may not be "forced" to attend services at the mosque - a generous wording of a law that prohibits government workers and Communist Party members from going at all. Why government officials who are Muslims are not allowed to pray? you can go yourself and see the rules in mosque in Khotan. I think the rules have now been put in the internet as well last year.
The government restrictions are posted inside mosques and elsewhere across Xinjiang.

4. Imams may not teach the Koran in private, and studying Arabic is allowed only at special government schools.

5. Two of Islam's five pillars - the sacred fasting month of Ramadan and the pilgrimage to Mecca called the hajj - are also carefully controlled.Students and government workers are compelled to eat during Ramadan, and the passports of Uighurs have been confiscated across Xinjiang to force them to join government-run hajj tours rather than travel illegally to Mecca on their own.

6. Any educated man would know that heavy-handed tactics like the restrictions on Islam will only radicalize more Uighurs. why the govt keep saying "three forces" of separatism, terrorism and religious extremism threaten to destabilize the region.Many of the rules have been on the books for years, but some local governments in Xinjiang have publicly highlighted them in the past seven weeks by posting the laws on Web sites or hanging banners in towns.

7. Han Chinese, the country's dominant ethnic group, discriminate against Uighurs based on the most obvious differences between the groups: language and religion. This is evident as Uighurs are not prefered for jobs sometimes. Why many Han Chinese see Islam as the root of social problems in Xinjiang, when you speak with them.
Meanwhile Chinese government, which is officially atheist, recognizes five religions - Islam, Protestantism, Catholicism, Taoism and Buddhism. One interview with a Han man who runs construction business in Kashgar, he said: The Uighurs are lazy. It's because of their religion " he said. "They spend so much time praying. What are they praying for?"

8. Signs painted on mud-brick walls in the winding alleyways of old Kashgar warn against making illegal pilgrimages. A red banner hanging on a large mosque in the Uighur area of Urumqi, the regional capital, says, "Implement the policy of organized and planned pilgrimage; individual pilgrimage is forbidden."

9. The government gives various reasons for controlling the hajj. Officials say that the Saudi Arabian government is concerned about crowded conditions in Mecca that have led to fatal tramplings, and that Muslims who leave China on their own sometimes spend too much money on the pilgrimage.Critics say the government is trying to restrict the movements of Uighurs and prevent them from coming into contact with other Muslims, fearing that such exchanges could build a pan-Islamic identity in Xinjiang. About two years ago, the government began confiscating the passports of Uighurs across the region, angering many people. Now virtually no Uighurs have passports, though they can apply for them for short trips.The new restriction has made life especially difficult for businessmen who travel to neighbouring countries.To get a passport to go on an official hajj tour or a business trip, applicants must leave a deposit of nearly $6,000

What on the bloody hell is this ?

10. One man in Kashgar said the imam at his mosque, who like all official imams is paid by the government, had recently been urging congregants to go to Mecca only with legal tours. That is not easy for many Uighurs. The cost of an official trip is the equivalent of $3,700, and hefty bribes usually raise the price. Once a person files an application, the authorities do a background check into the family. If the applicant has children, the children must be old enough to be financially self-sufficient, and the applicant is required to show that he or she has substantial savings in the bank.Rules posted last year on the Xinjiang government's Web site say the applicant must be 50 to 70 years old, "love the country and obey the law." A govt employee might very well lose his pension if he went on the hajj.

11. The rules on fasting during Ramadan are just as strict. They vary by town and county but include requiring restaurants to stay open during daylight hours and mandating that women not wear veils and men shave their beards. One rule that officials in some towns seem especially intent on enforcing is the ban on students' fasting. Supporters of this policy say students need to eat to study properly. in Kashgar university locked the gates and put glass shards along the top of a campus wall. tried to force students to eat during the day by prohibiting them from leaving campus in the evening to join their families in breaking the daily fast.

where you get this ?a blog?
maybe you should give us a link from CNN orBBC who r hating China is more useful

i can show you a lot of this kind of article,and you could say we chinese kill muslims instead,or we r anti-Islam ,so make you happy,our Pakistani friends will trust u? and i am sure that a lot of Pakistani r in China now ,in Xinjiang too.they know how china treat Muslims,and China is a best friend to all Islam countries,why there r only some of Uighur r agaist china-------------other Muslims in china?
Hui, Uygur, Kazak, Uzbek, Tajik, Tatar, Kirgiz, Salar, Dongxiang ，baoan

why ?dont fool me

 

[indiatech]

where you get this ?a blog?
maybe you should give us a link from CNN orBBC who r hating China is more useful

i can show you a lot of this kind of article

I don't want to see your article and this is not from western media.This is from travel experience. why you want to know if this is from Blog? You want to ban the site in china?
And I don't want you also to be the official spokesman of china please . Heard enough lectures.
Suggest you to travel to XinJiang. Go see it yourself in Kashgar , khotan etc whats going on . You will see it in the walls , in front of mosques , speaking to Uighurs etc.

Always hear and see both sides. Not only han chinese sides. Whats what we see always.