Current combat radars of Pakistan Air Force

[MIRauf]

My understanding was that after eval period VERA was returned.

 

[HRK]

So we only have one radar which was bought for evaluation? How capable it is compared to TPS-77?

as per published source sizable number of VERA radar was purchased

I was under the same impression, until i read this bit. No Idea what to make of it except, Pakistan did purchase some of the downgraded version of radar

Turning to military systems, Ellison also expressed
Rannoch's interest in expanding production of the VERA,
because of the increased margins on military technology
compared to the highly competitive civilian market. Ellison
said ERA is currently only able to produce four VERA systems
per year. Based on Rannoch's previous marketing efforts in
the U.S., Rannoch executives foresee potential for further
U.S. and allied VERA purchases, possibly for non-traditional
applications such as military testing and homeland security.
However, current orders from Pakistan mean that ERA's order
books would be full for some time. Ellison said Rannoch plans
to initiate a shift-based system, initially doubling
production capacity to four systems every six months before
increasing capacity again within a year to allow ERA to
produce 16 VERA systems per year. Rannoch is currently also
looking at purchasing the Czech Ministry of Defense's share
of the intellectual property rights in the VERA system.

plz visit this thread : https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-...e-radar-purchase-by-paf.530145/#post-10039768

 

[Tps43]

So we only have one radar which was bought for evaluation? How capable it is compared to TPS-77?

We have more then 1 , they work in trio and I saw 2 systems .

They are passive radars so cant be compared with tps 77

My understanding was that after eval period VERA was returned.

We have

as per published source sizable number of VERA radar was purchased


plz visit this thread : https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-...e-radar-purchase-by-paf.530145/#post-10039768

Yes 606 wing have them

And it's not a downgraded version a very capabale system

 

[Deltaviper]

http://www.radartutorial.eu/19.kartei/02.surv/karte025.en.htm

@Bilal Khan 777

This information (and much more) is in the public domain.
http://www.radartutorial.eu/19.kartei/02.surv/pubs/TPS-77_SPEC_sheet.pdf
http://www.radartutorial.eu/19.kartei/02.surv/pubs/TPS-77_SPEC_sheet.pdf

For any country to make radar, they need to have a far field antenna range. While we are ambitious enough to start a air surveillance radar project (i will not give the specific reference), we are also foolish enough not to realize the basic infrastructure required to make a radar system, which is, to make a radar antenna.



You are forgetting Irshad.

Btw, too much information shared on radars. One should not be mentioned PRF, PL, and PW. Kindly delete.

 

[Basel]

We have more then 1 , they work in trio and I saw 2 systems .

They are passive radars so cant be compared with tps 77


We have


Yes 606 wing have them

And it's not a downgraded version a very capabale system

So we dont have to worry about Rafales?

 

[aiman_hashmi.25]

U are right but they can't be used for GCI thats why I skipped them .
Other wise I could have added ATCR and crotale's AU as well

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My shots

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nyc clicks
btw camera konsa hai?

 

[Tps43]

nyc clicks
btw camera konsa hai?

kuch mere hein kuch mere nhi

 

[aiman_hashmi.25]

a

kuch mere hein kuch mere nhi

ok but apnay kise click ki hai?

 

[Tps43]

a

ok but apnay kise click ki hai?

Apne mobile camera se

 

[aiman_hashmi.25]

Apne mobile camera se

hmm

 

[Tps43]

hmm

Iphone se

nyc clicks
btw camera konsa hai?

Nhi yeh sab mene li hai I thought u were talking about op pics

Yeh sab mene apne Iphone se li thi

 

[aiman_hashmi.25]

Iphone se


Nhi yeh sab mene li hai I thought u were talking about op pics

Yeh sab mene apne Iphone se li thi

 

[S.Y.A]

Asal Masla ha kya, main ye puch raha hun apse?

Masla shortsightedness hai. aur uthaau logon ki promotion, even in strategic organizations. aur senior management main khud ko aql e kul samajhnay ki beemaari.

 

[Deltaviper]

Frequency Ranges as per available info:
TPS 43: 2,900 - 3 100 MHz
TPS 77: 1,215 - 1,400 MHz
YLC2--: 1,240 - 1,400 MHz
YLC6--: 2,000 - 3,900 MHz (E/F; (S) band)
( published band, perhaps actually it might be close or similar to TPS43)
MPDR45: 400 – 1,550 MHz (L band )
The real range would probably be somewhere between 900 MHz to 1,500 MHz (to avoid interference from terrestrial TV signals which were big back in the day.)


A few interesting questions can be asked here:

(1) Why the grouping in L and S bands? What about longer (or shorter?) wavelength radars ( VHF? as was used to detect and shoot down the stealth F-117A in 1999)
(2) What kind of radar jamming/ countermeasures equipment does India possess and would it make their life difficult if we had radars operating in other bands as well?
(3) What counter-countermeasures / modes are available in these radars to ensure continuous coverage in expected EM interference from adversaries. (Specifically, is MPDR still somewhat relevant or is it just a feel-good system which wont be of any use in case of full-blown hostility/War?)

P.S. VERA even if operational is a passive system so it should be out of this discussion.

 

[monitor]

Pakistan Air Defence Ground Environment System


Pakistan has made major improvements in its early warning/command and control capability over the last ten years. The Hughes Corporation was responsible for the integration and automation of the whole system. The Pakistan ADGES programme was begun in 1977 and is referred to as the “Pakistan Air defence System 77″ (PADS 77), at least till 1987. It was estimated to cost $120 million of which half went for infrastructure and half for six TPS-43G radars which form its basis.

Pakistan Air Defence Command was formed in 1975. It is based at Chaklala and exercises surveillance, control, and coordination of all Pakistan airspace. The HQ is built underground, to a depth of somewhere 5 to 10 meters. It has four rows of consoles with about 25-20 men operating them. All aircraft and airbases are represented on the screens, including one that coordinates all output from the consoles. It has been reported as ‘the most modern ever seen’ by a visiting western air official.

Subordinate to it are four Sector Operations Center, and subordinate to the SOCs are seven Control and Reporting centers. The sectors with their headquarters are:

North: Peshawar West: Quetta Center: Sargodha South: Karachi

There are 8 separate identified radar systems netted into the PAF air defence system. Of these, five are long-range systems and the remainder low-level.

Long Range Radar Systems
FPS-89/100: There are two installations, at Sakesar near Sargodha and Badin in the Thar desert. They are modernized versions of the US-supplied MAP radar, the FPS-6/20. The former is the height-finder, the latter is the search radar with a 350 km range. Sakesar also has a Plessey HF-200 height-finder acquired in 1967. Badin’s FPS-6 was destroyed in the 1965 war and was replaced with a Chinese height- finder.

Type 514: This is a Chinese system first acquired in 1978. It is known to be installed at Skardu and Gilgit in the Northern areas and at other locations. No other details are available.

Condor: The high-level system was acquired from the UK in 1968 and serves with Nos. 400, 403 and 410 Squadrons.

TPS-43G: This transportable radar is expected to remain in first line US service till 2010. Pakistan purchased sis systems at a cost of $60 million and all were commissioned by 1985. It consists of two modules, each less than 3 tons, and can be transported by two 5-ton trucks, a C-130, or two medium-lift helicopters. A six-man team can reassemble the radar within 50 minutes. It’s high-level range is 400 km, but its low-level range is classified. It is a 3D system with a 4 megawatt output. The system was the second phase of Project Crystal initiated in 1976 to provide Pakistan with a modern air defence system.

Thomson-CSF ATC: As far back as 1984 the Pakistan Government planned a modern Air Traffic Control System that could be netted into its ADGE. Possibly owing to financial stringency, the six radar started arriving only in 1987. The Pakistani ATC radar are at Pasni, Jiawani, Karachi, Rahim Yar Khan, Lahore and Rawalpindi. Though the locations correspond strictly to Pakistan’s growing civil air traffic routes, they are ideally placed to boost early warning from the Indian frontier.

It is of interest that in 1969 two Soviet P.35 high-level radar are PRV height-finders were installed, being decommissioned in 1979 owing to maintenance and spares difficulties.



Low Level Radar Systems
AR-1/6 Radar: In 1968-69 six AR-1 Plessey low level radars were installed, followed by 3 of the mobile versions, called AR-15. The range is about 150 km.

MPDR: very major investment was made between 1979-80 in 45 Mobile Pulse Doppler Radars acquired from Siemens of Germany. These are called the SILLACS MPDR 45/E. SILLACS stand for Siemens Low Level Air Defence Control System. They are controlled from six Control and Reporting Centers which are also mobile, and correspond presumably the PAF’s six MPDR wings.

Each CRC can control up to 8 radars; the CRC is data-linked to the Sector Operations Center. According to Janes Weapons System 1987-88 edition, there are two fully mobile versions one with 45km range another with 60 km. There is a third version, transportable, with a 90 km range. The first two are single vehicle system with a radar mast extendable to 18 meters and a shelter for the operating crew. The CRC is in two units, a shelter with 4 workstations and two assistant’s positions and power generators on trailers.

The MPDR project was the first phase of Project Crystal.

US Low Level Systems
Pakistan has been buying US-low level systems, probably the TPS-63 or 70 or both. One such buy for four low-level air defence radars was identified in a march 1990 list to the US Congress.

It may be noted that Pakistan has the capability to completely overhaul all radars except the Chinese type 514s and possibly the US TPS-43.

courtesy: pakdef