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Pakistan:The Push toward the Borders

Radio Pakistan announced last week that Pakistan International Airlines has resumed its internal flight between the East Pakistan capital of Dacca and the town of Jessore, formerly a stronghold of rebel resistance. The broadcast failed to note that the PIA prop jets were carrying only soldiers, and that they were escorted into Jessore airport by air force Sabre jets.

It was true, however, that the army has taken the offensive in Pakistan's savage civil war. In the early days of fighting, the troops had prudently preferred to remain in their garrison areas, for the most part, until additional men and supplies arrived. Last week they began to push toward the Indian border, hoping to secure the hardtop roads by the time the monsoon rains begin in late May. If they succeed, they will he able to block any sizable imports of arms and other equipment for the Bangla Desh (Bengal State) resistance fighters.

Naxalite Sympathizers. Despite the heavy cost of the operation (estimated at $1.3 million per day) and widespread international criticism, the government of President Agha Mohammed Yahya Khan seems determined to press for a decisive victory. The U.S. and most other Western countries have thus far maintained a careful neutrality. Washington announced that it has furnished no arms to Pakistan since the fighting began March 25. Communist China, on the other hand, has strongly supported the Pakistan government, while India, Pakistan’s traditional adversary, has quietly sympathized with the rebels.

The Indians most deeply involved are the West Bengali insurgents. But West Bengali sympathy is tempered by a fear that a civil war in East Bengal will prove costly to themselves as well. For a generation, West Bengal has received a steady flow of refugees from across the border. Now the flow has greatly increased, with an added burden to the state's economy. Among West Bengalis, the most enthusiastic supporters of the East Pakistani cause are Calcutta's urban terrorists, the Maoist Naxalites. Some are said to have slipped across the border with homemade guns and bombs to help the rebels.

Strong Words. Officially, India has tried to maintain calm. Prime Minister Indira Gandhi declared earlier that India could hardly remain a "silent observer to the carnage in East Pakistan. But last week, when asked if she would describe the fighting as an "imperial war'. she replied sternly. .'the use of strong words will not help."

From East Pakistan came reports that the destruction was continuing. Estimates of the number of dead ranged to 200,000 or more. In the port city of Chittagong, hundreds of bodies were dumped into the river to be carried away by the tide. Some observers reported a virtual pogrom against East Pakistan's educated leadership, raising the specter of a region reduced to peasant serfdom. Even the modern jute mills, owned by West Pakistani businessmen, were reported destroyed.

Provisional Government. There was also savagery on the Bengali side. Rebels were reported to be paying off old scores against non-Bengali Moslems who settled in East Pakistan after the 1947 partition of British India into India and Pakistan. At the town of Dinajpur, most male members of this group were killed and the women taken to makeshift internment camps.

Despite the continued absence of their political leader, Sheikh Mlljibur ("Mujib") Rahman who is thought to be in prison in West Pakistan. the rebels announced the formation of a Bangla Desh provisional government last week. They named Mlljib President. One of his colleagues, Tajuddin Ahmad, who is at large in East Pakistan, became Prime Minister. As their provisional capital, the rebels prudently chose the town of Meherpur, which lies a mere four miles from the Indian border.

The Bangla Desh forces are critically short of gasoline and diesel fuel and lack the field-communication equipment necessary for organized military activity. They have avoided any full-scale engagements, in which they would undoubtedly sustain heavy losses. Some observers believe, in fact, that the long guerrilla phase of the civil war has already begun, with the army holding most of the towns and the rebels controlling much of the countryside. Despite the apparent determination of the Pakistan government to maintain its hold on East Bengal, the sheer human arithmetic of the situation seemed to indicate that the Bengalis would ultimately win freedom or at least some form of regional autonomy. At the present time, the East Bengalis outnumber the West Pakistani soldiers in their midst by about 1,000 to 1.

TIME April 26, 1971; pp. 39-40
 
OK big deal what can you or Pakistan do about it lets face it there is no such thing as right or wrong in world politics its might is right weakness is wrong in this case India is strong = RIGHT Pakistan is weak = tough luck! keep on doing that bharti bharatvarsha whatever as for Bangladesh well it would definitely benefit bd if it is integrated in to the Indian union thats for sure Joyti basu one of the most prominent politician of India is from Bangladesh east Bengal there are so many east Bengali brothers & sisters in India who are very happy there & why should the Bangladeshi people go to Pakistan when such a rich & Strong nation is just across the border why should they go to Pakistan what dose Pakistan have in the first place that it can offer terrorist training camps, lawlessness a fragile political system & a few Penny's known as economic aid man even India was willing to give you guys $25 million donation:azn: during the earthquakes & then you talk jeez :tsk:

You obviously don't know the realities of South Asia. Generally Pakistani wages are higher, and Bangladeshis believe Pakistan to be a better place to work than Bharat.

"Wages in Pakistan, the man they knew as Shah Hussain told them, were higher than anywhere in India. There, he claimed, they would neither face the hostility directed at Bangladeshi illegal immigrants in India nor the threat of deportation."

http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2005/stories/20030314006612300.htm

You've mentioned about Pakistan being weak, and Bharat strong. Obviously you don't believe that, you're just making an emotional tantrum as usual. The topic is about Bangladesh's creation, and we had diverged to talking about Bharat's desire to re-conquer the lands which the extremists there claim were part of the original Bharatvarsha, Pakistan is pretty safe, so is Afghanistan by virtue that Pakistan is in the way with it's nukes, Bangladesh is not, and if your mentality is to be believed as a Bangadeshi (or perhaps you're Bharati) you'll be joining them sooner rather than later.

And 25 mill is not a lot of money for an earthquake. A country which is the biggest in the world offered the least loan for a quake, and has the highest number of street sleepers in the world. Don't kid yourself, your arguments are not based on fact.
 
An Army Insider's Honest Expose of Atrocities in East Pakistan Debacle

Following is a review from a book written by an insider close to power in 1971. It is a confession from a Pakistani high official about the attrocities caused to Bengalees by their so called "muslim" brothers from West Pakistan. Please read the last two paragraphs attentively where General Niazi defended the rape of our women in 1971. The BNP-Jamat and pro-pakistan supporters who still love Pakistan should be ashamed (if they have any shame) of their role.

An Army Insider's Honest Expose of Atrocities in East Pakistan Debacle:

KARACHI, March 25: The East Pakistan tragedy was not just a failure of the military establishment of the day but also the abysmal collapse of civil society in West Pakistan. Launched at midnight, 25 March 1971, the military action went on for nine long months without eliciting any concerted protest from the West Pakistani public and political leadership.

The few low voices raised against the military action were too feeble to make the army change the suicidal course it had set itself, leading to an ignominious military defeat and the breakup of the country.

Brigadier Abdul Rehman Siddiqi, who headed the Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR) and was Press Advisor to Army Chief General Yahya Khan, was clearly in the thick of things. Therefore, his book 'East Pakistan: The Endgame — An Onlooker’s Journal 1969-1971' will be of interest to those wishing to penetrate the historical veil that has subsequently been draped over the more unsavory events of that era.

The author had the unique advantage of observing the tragedy as it unfolded. As the ISPR chief, he interacted with the national press and a cross-section of public and political leadership in both wings. In his description and appraisal of the various dramatis personae, he acts as an impartial observer.

Apart from the fresh light the book sheds on the traumatic episode, the simplicity and candor of the narrative adds much to its readability. Thus, the book may well contribute towards the much-needed bridge building between Pakistan and Bangladesh.

"In 1971, Pakistan was torn into two, its eastern half declaring itself the independent nation of Bangladesh. While the broader details of this debacle have since become comprehensible, historians are still trying to glean a few remaining facts from the myths and half-truths that continue to linger some 33 years later.

From the start, the author makes it clear that the book is based on his diaries and other sources that he had personal access to as the ISPR chief. He also admits to have “scrupulously avoided” relying on any subsequent books or other published material that relates to the events. As a result, the reader is presented with a first-hand account of those fateful days.

The narrative begins in February 1969 when President Ayub Khan, besieged by street agitation, sought to negotiate his way out by calling for a Round Table Conference (RTC). However, as Siddiqi explains, Yahya had already started plotting against his boss. Unknown to most people at the time, the army chief secretly met the East Pakistani leader Mujibur Rehman and asked him not to relent on his demands. In fact, as Siddiqi points out, Yahya went as far as to tell Mujib that “he could go ahead with his anti-Ayub campaign without any let or hindrance from the army.”

Siddiqi also reveals that a week before the RTC, he was ordered by General Ghulam Umar to secretly prepare an advance draft for Yahya’s address to the nation as the Chief Martial Law Administrator. Two days later, Yahya flatly refused Ayub’s direct request for the army to come to the aid of the civil government.

According to Siddiqi, Yahya made it abundantly clear to his superior that it was either complete martial law under his own control or nothing. And Ayub knew then that his days were numbered. Following his refusal to help Ayub quell the violent civic unrest, Siddiqi discloses how Yahya cunningly enlisted the support of his old drinking buddy interior minister Admiral AR Khan, who persisted in presenting highly pessimistic daily briefs to further undermine the president.

When Siddiqi confronted General Pirzada with these peculiar goings-on, he was politely told to hush up. The dice had been cast and within a month Ayub departed from the scene after handing over power to Yahya.

Following the takeover, Siddiqi claims that Yahya was quick to reveal his true intentions and confided to some of his senior officers: “Gentlemen, we must be prepared to rule this unfortunate country for the next 14 years or so.”

Soon, Yahya announced general elections after being convinced by the intelligence agencies that they would result in a split vote and a fractious National Assembly, making it impossible for the new government to fulfil the stipulation of an approved constitution within 120 days. This failure, the thinking went, would then lead to fresh elections while power would indefinitely remain in the army’s firm grip.

However, the election results could not have been farther from Yahya’s calculations. Badly let down by the intelligence agencies, Yahya decided to pursue a new course of action. His famous reference to Mujib as the future prime minister was in reality no more than “a calculated maneuver aimed at, first to set the military against Mujib, and second, to provoke the Pakistan Peoples Party.”

The worried generals then recruited Zulfikar Ali Bhutto to ensure that any chance of a compromise with Mujib would be non-existent. In fact, as Siddiqi informs us, General Umar even met many West Pakistani minority party leaders to actively dissuade them from attending the first National Assembly session at Dhaka. Not surprisingly, East Pakistan soon went on the boil in the face of such intransigence. And the army-controlled West Pakistani media retaliated by accusing East Pakistanis of treason.

We all know what followed. The army’s subjugation of East Pakistan resulted in untold misery for millions of innocent Pakistanis, the death of many thousands as well as the breakup of Jinnah’s original Pakistan. And as Siddiqi’s narrative makes apparent, all this happened so that the generals could maintain their hold on power. Since then, it has suited successive army generals to place the blame on Bhutto. But the pertinent question is: how many tanks, guns and soldiers did Bhutto have at his disposal? The answer, of course, is none.

Another fact the author emphasizes is the sheer profusion of war crimes inflicted on hapless Pakistani citizens by its own army. The reader comes across a devastated Major General Ansari telling Siddiqi that rape and brutality were widespread. The general also confesses to a complete breakdown in the “discipline of his junior officers [and that] there was little he could do to check their "atrocities.” If junior officers had run amok, one shudders to think what the less-educated jawans got up to.

Siddiqi also exposes the infamous General Niazi who shamelessly defended the rapists by declaring that: “You cannot expect a man to live, fight and die in East Pakistan and go to Jhelum for sex, would you?” Even 30-plus years later, the fact that most, if not all, of these perpetrators got away scot-free, can provoke tears of rage and shame.

Ultimately, 'The End Game' is a brave and honest book and Siddiqi should be commended for writing it, even if it took him all these years to muster the resolve. A must-read for anyone interested in Pakistan’s past." - Courtesy Herald.

http://bangladesh-web.com/view.php?hidDate...000000000067723
 
Bharat's desire to re-conquer the lands which the extremists there claim were part of the original Bharatvarsha, Pakistan is pretty safe, so is Afghanistan by virtue that Pakistan is in the way with it's nukes, Bangladesh is not, and if your mentality is to be believed as a Bangadeshi (or perhaps you're Bharati) you'll be joining them sooner rather than later.

Aha. I know why you are so sure of Bharat's "expansionist plans". The amazing consipracy theorist that you are, your hands are dirty too.

You are the guys dreaming of an islamic empire stretching throughout Asia aren't you?
Hmm...now with Bharatvarsha in the way, its time for the Mahabharat of the 21st century :guns:

This time, the kauravas have been replaced...by the united islamic forces!!
 
You obviously don't know the realities of South Asia. Generally Pakistani wages are higher, and Bangladeshis believe Pakistan to be a better place to work than Bharat.

"Wages in Pakistan, the man they knew as Shah Hussain told them, were higher than anywhere in India. There, he claimed, they would neither face the hostility directed at Bangladeshi illegal immigrants in India nor the threat of deportation."

http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2005/stories/20030314006612300.htm

You've mentioned about Pakistan being weak, and Bharat strong. Obviously you don't believe that, you're just making an emotional tantrum as usual. The topic is about Bangladesh's creation, and we had diverged to talking about Bharat's desire to re-conquer the lands which the extremists there claim were part of the original Bharatvarsha, Pakistan is pretty safe, so is Afghanistan by virtue that Pakistan is in the way with it's nukes, Bangladesh is not, and if your mentality is to be believed as a Bangadeshi (or perhaps you're Bharati) you'll be joining them sooner rather than later.

And 25 mill is not a lot of money for an earthquake. A country which is the biggest in the world offered the least loan for a quake, and has the highest number of street sleepers in the world. Don't kid yourself, your arguments are not based on fact.

Just because some illegal migrant transporter called Shah Hussain claims they are higher they don't mean so. If you want real comparison, look at the per capita income in $ terms. you'll find that pakistan is ranks below india.

or perhaps in pakistan there is a lot of jobs of workers and labourers and hardly any for IT workers. btw, pak poverty as a % of the population is even greater than india so don't talk about street sleepers as if pakistan was some developed economy. and to think we offered u donations for the earthquake. fine habit to look a gifted horse in the mouth.

Beggars can't be choosers.
 
Just because some illegal migrant transporter called Shah Hussain claims they are higher they don't mean so. If you want real comparison, look at the per capita income in $ terms. you'll find that pakistan is ranks below india.

or perhaps in pakistan there is a lot of jobs of workers and labourers and hardly any for IT workers. btw, pak poverty as a % of the population is even greater than india so don't talk about street sleepers as if pakistan was some developed economy. and to think we offered u donations for the earthquake. fine habit to look a gifted horse in the mouth.

Beggars can't be choosers.

Sheesh. Do I need to spell it out? Whether or not wages are higher in Pakistan than Bharat (they are higher but anyway) is not the point. The point is that the Bangladeshis are TOLD that wages are higher and they are treated better, and this PERCEPTION is firmly entrenched in their mind, which is why so many Bangladeshis illegals go to work in Pakistan over Bharat. If you look at the link it is from a Bharati website, so I think we can say that that image of make money in Pakistan is true for Bangladeshis and it's why they go there to the "paradise" land as the article calls it.
 
to think we offered u donations for the earthquake. fine habit to look a gifted horse in the mouth.

Beggars can't be choosers.

Next time, becareful of which country your talking above.

Consider it a warning.

Thanks.
 
Just because some illegal migrant transporter called Shah Hussain claims they are higher they don't mean so. If you want real comparison, look at the per capita income in $ terms. you'll find that pakistan is ranks below india.

or perhaps in pakistan there is a lot of jobs of workers and labourers and hardly any for IT workers. btw, pak poverty as a % of the population is even greater than india so don't talk about street sleepers as if pakistan was some developed economy. and to think we offered u donations for the earthquake. fine habit to look a gifted horse in the mouth.

Beggars can't be choosers.

This thread is only for Pakistanis and Bangladeshis.Indians should not post their views.


Hey Bangladeshi brothers,

do you know Mr.Mehmood Ali?

He was a highly respected politician of former East Pakistan, a champion of unity of muslims, and opposed the creation of Bangladesh,and lived here in Pakistan.He started a movement for the reunion of Pakistan called "Tahrik-e-Takmeel-e-Pakistan".

what are your views about him?
 
This thread is only for Pakistanis and Bangladeshis.Indians should not post their views.


Hey Bangladeshi brothers,

do you know Mr.Mehmood Ali?

He was a highly respected politician of former East Pakistan, a champion of unity of muslims, and opposed the creation of Bangladesh,and lived here in Pakistan.He started a movement for the reunion of Pakistan called "Tahrik-e-Takmeel-e-Pakistan".

what are your views about him?

brother salman i respect you & i would like to say that Pakistan needs people like you & i respect your views but to your question unfortunately the answer is Muslim brotherhood unity of east west Pakistan comes secondary first & foremost comes the interest of Bangladesh & the Bengali people simple its the Bengali way or the highway as for Mr.mehmood Ali my views is if Pakistanis viewpoint is as such as Mr.roadrunner's then Mr.Ali is 100% wrong & i thank ALLAH from the bottom of my heart that east Pakistan broke away from Pakistan to form Bangladesh thats the best thing that has happened to Bangladesh in a long time after that i think Bangladesh should have united with India thats just my thinking . Anyways i wish Pakistan all the best :cheers:
 
Akzaman,
we can gain nothing if we keep blaming each other,do u think that a President of a Country can order his army that "kill 3 million of my population"? Its non-sence.

I am not defending any individual who commited a shameless crime such as rape but those crimes were commited by "Mukti Bahini" also but again you cannot blame the whole nation for that. If we keep blaming each other i am afraid that we cannot move forward if u cannot forget the bitterness of past u will become the slave of past and cannot progress.

I hope you understand that and if not then what can i say,remain divided and history will never forgive us.


Genmirajborgza786,
I am sorry I disagree with you no one gives his part like we did and we should be jelous about each and every part of our country.Muslim League formed at Dhaka and we should admire Bengali people as they were the creators of Pakistan along with us.By saying that disintegration of Pakistan was a good step we are insulting the martyrs of Pakistan Movement.
 
brother salman i respect you & i would like to say that Pakistan needs people like you & i respect your views but to your question unfortunately the answer is Muslim brotherhood unity of east west Pakistan comes secondary first & foremost comes the interest of Bangladesh & the Bengali people simple its the Bengali way or the highway as for Mr.mehmood Ali my views is if Pakistanis viewpoint is as such as Mr.roadrunner's then Mr.Ali is 100% wrong & i thank ALLAH from the bottom of my heart that east Pakistan broke away from Pakistan to form Bangladesh thats the best thing that has happened to Bangladesh in a long time after that i think Bangladesh should have united with India thats just my thinking . Anyways i wish Pakistan all the best :cheers:

You obviously don't understand my views. My views are these.
  • The 3 million figure of war of independence is a figment of Bengali nationalist propaganda.
  • The Muktihi Bahini committed war crimes, just like the Razakhars, just like the PA, just like the Bharatis..noone was innocent so holding a "holohoax" war museum in Dhakka is pure hypocrisy
  • The Muktihi Bahini and Bengali Nationalists are guilty of propagating myths and lies such as the Jessore Massacre which was committed by Bengalis and blamed on PA. If they can lie so much over one incident, how many more incidents have they lied about?
  • The discrimination of Bengalis in particular did not exist - this is agree is controversial, but I have not seen a full proof case to demonstrate there was discrimination between the West and East wings by the government. On the contrary I know Ayub Khan tried to stimulate the enrollment of Bengalis in PA, but it failed because the Bengalis did not want to join.
  • The war of independence was a result not of real discrimination between the East and West, it was as a result of the incitement to revolt in the speeched of Mujib that the people from the East wing fell for hook, line & etc.
  • My final "point" is more a question. Given all this, why do Bengalis like yourself want to keep the myth alive about there being a one way genocide when this has been proven not to be the case?

If you want to discuss these views instead of resorting to poor quality jokes and insults, then prove to me how my views are wrong..it's better than cursing which only makes you look foolish yourself.
 
RR,

Why are you pleading?

If Pakistan has done nothing wrong, then speak out and not plead as if on bended knees.

And I am sure you can whip up support on this forum.
 
By saying that disintegration of Pakistan was a good step we are insulting the martyrs of Pakistan Movement.

An emotional blackmail, what?

Did the martyrs of the Pak Movement declare that the Bengalis should be treated second class. So, why drag them when their intention could have been sound only to be corrupted by those who loved power more than anything Islam!
 
RR,

Why are you pleading?

If Pakistan has done nothing wrong, then speak out and not plead as if on bended knees.

And I am sure you can whip up support on this forum.

Just answer the points I mentioned if you can. This is just irrelevant. If you have the answers to my points, let's hear them.
 
Tough call for you?

The Bangladeshis who have faced the inhuman behaviour of West Pakistanis have answered.

They are the best judge since they suffered!
 
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