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Creation of Bangladesh

Salim Bhai,
You have to think from heart when u are thinking or speaking about your motherland this is not the emotional blackmailing.

i cant understand why people dont realize that those who commited war crimes in 1971 were Indian agents and could be the Indian army Personnel there was no way to identify them.They were mixed with "Mukti Bahini" that was the actual problem i would say.

Ah! Of course, the Indian agents!

The world was blind.

Bought of by the Hindu Lalas, what?

And I presume you think the Bangladeshis were fools and they could not make out Indian agents from Pak military men from Camps in their areas!

You sure love to self delude and run away from unpleasant facts!

Don't you think that the Mukti Bahini was actually Chinese in Bangladeshi garb? That would complete the script for your fascinating fairy tale!
 
Violation of Human Rights and Genocide in Bangladesh

It was the night between March 25 and 26, 1971; it was the grisliest night the Bengali nation has ever known. The forces of evil let loose by the Army rulers of Pakistan continued, for nine months at a stretch, the holocaust begun on March 25 with ever increasing intensity each day using newer and ghastlier methods of extermination of the Bengalis. It is not my intention however, to recount here the acts of brutality perpetrated by the Pakistani marauders during that period. For, it is not pleasant to ruminate on such brutal scenes as bustee people being felled by swarms of bullets while coming out, screaming, of their tenements set ablaze by flame throwers; or the still body of Sujit, a Dacca University student, in a pool of blood holding fast his mother's letter asking him, in view of the troubled situation, to return to his village home; or the mutilated corpse of the old and infirm gatekeeper of the Dacca University Women's Hall, Nani Rajbhor, who while asleep was shot dead at a point?blank range with the corner of his mosquito net lifted ; or the dead body of Moju Mia of Jinjira and that of his baby boy nestling in his father's breast both of whom were killed, while running for life, by a single bullet piercing through their backs. The history of liberation of Bangladesh is replete with hundreds of thousands of similar acts of brutality of which these are but a few examples. Thanks to the world press that many such stories have been carried to the farthest corner of the globe.

While the incidents of 'kill, loot and rape' in Bangladesh are tragic in themselves, more tragic is the fact that in their bid to 'crush' the Bengali nation, the Pakistani army have thrown to the winds all the provisions of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights to which Pakistan herself is a signatory. The Declaration very solemnly declares that the "recognition of the inherent dignity? and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world." (Preamble, Universal Declaration of Human Rights) But was the dignity of man respected by the Punjabi soldiers forwhom 'Bengalis and bastards' were synonymous? Was it respected when teachers were threatened with dire consequences if they indulged in 'loose talks'? Was it respected when some Dacca University teachers were humiliated day in and day out for nearly three months in a concentration camp? Was it respected when prisoners used to be double?marched to the latrine, given only? 30 seconds to evacuate the stomach and come out? Was it respected when a man was killed for his failure to recite the Kalema?

The Human Rights Declaration envisages a world "in which human being shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear." (Preamble, U.D.H.R.) About freedom of speech, the less said the better, for there has never been any freedom of speech in the entire history of Pakistan. This is too well known to be elaborated on. About freedom of belief, would it not be sufficient to note that three million people of Bangladesh have sacrificed their lives at the altar of their belief in; a democratic and secular political order and in a just and equitable society free from all sorts of exploitation of man by man? Needless to mention also that an all?pervasive fear, and not freedom from it, engulfed each and every Bengali during the occupation period. It was because of fear that Purna Chandra Dutta, a Dacca University lecturer, assumed a Muslim name through an affidavit in the Court; so did other members of his family. After the liberation all of them have forsaken their adopted Muslim names. It was because of fear of the advancing army that Azizunnessa of Vikrampur choked her new?born baby, unintentionally though, to death so that the baby might not cry out and betray her presence to the killers. To epitomize all, was it not because of fear that 10 million people of Bangladesh took refuge in this country (India)?

The pogrom that was begun by the Pakistani army on March 25 and continued with ever increasing ferocity till the liberation of Bangladesh completely negates Article 3 of the Human Rights Declaration which grants everyone "the right to life, liberty, and security of person". The provision of Article 5 of the Declaration that "no one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment and punishment", has also been totally flouted. I was told by a friend of mine, who was in a concentration camp, about a Hindu prisoner who used to perform 'namaz' five times a day like the Muslims because he could escape torture only during prayer times. I know about a college professor, who was inhumanly tortured to confess that he had raped several non?Bengali women during the non?co?operation movement in March.

Article 9 of the Declaration enjoins that "No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest and exile." Facts, however, are to the contrary. In real the arrests of thousands of men, young and old, were made arbitrarily and the detainees were never given any reasons for their arrests although Article 9 Section (2) of the draft Covenant on political and civil rights states clearly? that "anyone who is arrested shall be informed at the time of arrest of the reasons for his arrest and shall be promptly informed of any charges against him." Mr. Kamruddin Ahmed, an ex-Ambassador; and Mr. Fazlul Karim, Cultural Officer of the Bengali Academy,Dhaka, among others, were sent to the jail by an administrative order of six months' imprisonment without any trial in the court of law. Each one of the above mentioned incidents could be multiplied indefinitely. In fact, the provisions of all the 30 articles of the Human Rights Declaration have been trampled under foot and what has happened in Bangladesh has transgressed all norms of civilized behaviour and decency and is a complete negation of human values and conscience.

But the violation of human rights so persistently followed during the 9 months of occupation is but a part, indeed an insignificant part, of the whole story. More important is the fact that the 'master race', from the Punjab Plains executed a well?planned scheme of genocide in Bangladesh, the magnitude of which has transcended all records of known history. Flashing back one could see how indiscriminate the massacre was: a person would be killed because he is a stout young man and is a potential Mukti Fauj (freedom fighter); another, because he is an educated man a likely to give revolutionary ideas to the society; third, because he is one of the rabble and therefore must have taken part in anti?government demonstrations; fourth, because he is 'reported' to have given shelter to Mukti Bahini (freedom fighter); fifth, because he is a Hindu and therefore an Indian spy; sixth, because his movements were suspicious ; seventh, because no other pretext is available, he is a Bengali after all (is not enough to kill a person ?) ; and so on and so forth.

http://www.bangladeshmariners.com/HmdrRprt/violat.html
 
The evidence of genocide in bangladesh by pakistani army is overwhelming. though the exact casuality figures are not known, it definitely stretches into the millions. There's no point denying it.

I'm proud of my country for helping the bangladeshis in their time of need
 
Violation of Human Rights and Genocide in Bangladesh

It was the night between March 25 and 26, 1971; it was the grisliest night the Bengali nation has ever known. The forces of evil let loose by the Army rulers of Pakistan continued, for nine months at a stretch, the holocaust begun on March 25 with ever increasing intensity each day using newer and ghastlier methods of extermination of the Bengalis. It is not my intention however, to recount here the acts of brutality perpetrated by the Pakistani marauders during that period. For, it is not pleasant to ruminate on such brutal scenes as bustee people being felled by swarms of bullets while coming out, screaming, of their tenements set ablaze by flame throwers; or the still body of Sujit, a Dacca University student, in a pool of blood holding fast his mother's letter asking him, in view of the troubled situation, to return to his village home; or the mutilated corpse of the old and infirm gatekeeper of the Dacca University Women's Hall, Nani Rajbhor, who while asleep was shot dead at a point?blank range with the corner of his mosquito net lifted ; or the dead body of Moju Mia of Jinjira and that of his baby boy nestling in his father's breast both of whom were killed, while running for life, by a single bullet piercing through their backs. The history of liberation of Bangladesh is replete with hundreds of thousands of similar acts of brutality of which these are but a few examples. Thanks to the world press that many such stories have been carried to the farthest corner of the globe.

While the incidents of 'kill, loot and rape' in Bangladesh are tragic in themselves, more tragic is the fact that in their bid to 'crush' the Bengali nation, the Pakistani army have thrown to the winds all the provisions of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights to which Pakistan herself is a signatory. The Declaration very solemnly declares that the "recognition of the inherent dignity? and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world." (Preamble, Universal Declaration of Human Rights) But was the dignity of man respected by the Punjabi soldiers forwhom 'Bengalis and bastards' were synonymous? Was it respected when teachers were threatened with dire consequences if they indulged in 'loose talks'? Was it respected when some Dacca University teachers were humiliated day in and day out for nearly three months in a concentration camp? Was it respected when prisoners used to be double?marched to the latrine, given only? 30 seconds to evacuate the stomach and come out? Was it respected when a man was killed for his failure to recite the Kalema?

The Human Rights Declaration envisages a world "in which human being shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear." (Preamble, U.D.H.R.) About freedom of speech, the less said the better, for there has never been any freedom of speech in the entire history of Pakistan. This is too well known to be elaborated on. About freedom of belief, would it not be sufficient to note that three million people of Bangladesh have sacrificed their lives at the altar of their belief in; a democratic and secular political order and in a just and equitable society free from all sorts of exploitation of man by man? Needless to mention also that an all?pervasive fear, and not freedom from it, engulfed each and every Bengali during the occupation period. It was because of fear that Purna Chandra Dutta, a Dacca University lecturer, assumed a Muslim name through an affidavit in the Court; so did other members of his family. After the liberation all of them have forsaken their adopted Muslim names. It was because of fear of the advancing army that Azizunnessa of Vikrampur choked her new?born baby, unintentionally though, to death so that the baby might not cry out and betray her presence to the killers. To epitomize all, was it not because of fear that 10 million people of Bangladesh took refuge in this country (India)?

The pogrom that was begun by the Pakistani army on March 25 and continued with ever increasing ferocity till the liberation of Bangladesh completely negates Article 3 of the Human Rights Declaration which grants everyone "the right to life, liberty, and security of person". The provision of Article 5 of the Declaration that "no one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment and punishment", has also been totally flouted. I was told by a friend of mine, who was in a concentration camp, about a Hindu prisoner who used to perform 'namaz' five times a day like the Muslims because he could escape torture only during prayer times. I know about a college professor, who was inhumanly tortured to confess that he had raped several non?Bengali women during the non?co?operation movement in March.

Article 9 of the Declaration enjoins that "No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest and exile." Facts, however, are to the contrary. In real the arrests of thousands of men, young and old, were made arbitrarily and the detainees were never given any reasons for their arrests although Article 9 Section (2) of the draft Covenant on political and civil rights states clearly? that "anyone who is arrested shall be informed at the time of arrest of the reasons for his arrest and shall be promptly informed of any charges against him." Mr. Kamruddin Ahmed, an ex-Ambassador; and Mr. Fazlul Karim, Cultural Officer of the Bengali Academy,Dhaka, among others, were sent to the jail by an administrative order of six months' imprisonment without any trial in the court of law. Each one of the above mentioned incidents could be multiplied indefinitely. In fact, the provisions of all the 30 articles of the Human Rights Declaration have been trampled under foot and what has happened in Bangladesh has transgressed all norms of civilized behaviour and decency and is a complete negation of human values and conscience.

But the violation of human rights so persistently followed during the 9 months of occupation is but a part, indeed an insignificant part, of the whole story. More important is the fact that the 'master race', from the Punjab Plains executed a well?planned scheme of genocide in Bangladesh, the magnitude of which has transcended all records of known history. Flashing back one could see how indiscriminate the massacre was: a person would be killed because he is a stout young man and is a potential Mukti Fauj (freedom fighter); another, because he is an educated man a likely to give revolutionary ideas to the society; third, because he is one of the rabble and therefore must have taken part in anti?government demonstrations; fourth, because he is 'reported' to have given shelter to Mukti Bahini (freedom fighter); fifth, because he is a Hindu and therefore an Indian spy; sixth, because his movements were suspicious ; seventh, because no other pretext is available, he is a Bengali after all (is not enough to kill a person ?) ; and so on and so forth.

http://www.bangladeshmariners.com/HmdrRprt/violat.html

Okay my freind i will not deny it. It was just poor governance, just bad governance by the damn power-hungry corrupt bhutto bastard and idiotic support for him by yahya khan. Bangladeshis never wanted freedom until Bhutto directly told the army to commit murder in the area etc. But i do think the article is a little biased man and overdone and is aimed at bringing us down. Anyway indians hav a chance now to mess around abt my admitting this... but they shud remember that their persecution of us and the ongoing persecution of the kashmiris is much worse than anything pakistan can ever do to Bangladesh and neither does ur country treat minorities fairly...
 
Okay my freind i will not deny it. It was just poor governance, just bad governance by the damn power-hungry corrupt bhutto bastard and idiotic support for him by yahya khan. Bangladeshis never wanted freedom until Bhutto directly told the army to commit murder in the area etc. But i do think the article is a little biased man and overdone and is aimed at bringing us down. Anyway indians hav a chance now to mess around abt my admitting this... but they shud remember that their persecution of us and the ongoing persecution of the kashmiris is much worse than anything pakistan can ever do to Bangladesh and neither does ur country treat minorities fairly...

And i'd like to add that we are sorry f4 wat happened in ur "new" country and the majority of us did not approve of this treatment. Hope that our new bhuto b**** gets assasinated :D
 
Okay my freind i will not deny it. It was just poor governance, just bad governance by the damn power-hungry corrupt bhutto bastard and idiotic support for him by yahya khan. Bangladeshis never wanted freedom until Bhutto directly told the army to commit murder in the area etc. But i do think the article is a little biased man and overdone and is aimed at bringing us down. Anyway indians hav a chance now to mess around abt my admitting this... but they shud remember that their persecution of us and the ongoing persecution of the kashmiris is much worse than anything pakistan can ever do to Bangladesh and neither does ur country treat minorities fairly...

so you basically mean those murders shud be pardoned bcoz you could have done worser..!!!
 
The evidence of genocide in bangladesh by pakistani army is overwhelming. though the exact casuality figures are not known, it definitely stretches into the millions. There's no point denying it.

I'm proud of my country for helping the bangladeshis in their time of need

Yh, there is evidence...but let me remind u of the fact of how muzlemz have been persecuted constantly by ur governments, how the kashmiris are still opressed, and if u treated ur ppl so well why did pakistan break away f4m u?

Ohhh... ofcourse u are proud of it... Let me tell u why you supported Bangladesh, because the same thing happened to u gyz... u lost pakistan did'nt u? so this was the time to take revenge. it was pure veneance was it not? U did not support the bengalis out of ur so called "love for bangladesh"... u did it because u got a chance to strike at pakistan wen it had a civil war and it offered u opportunities to take new land, resources etc. U were enjoying pakistanis slaughtering themselves u never gave a damn about bangladesh...

And did u forget about the land u took from Bangladesh. If u loved them so much why did u take all these settlements f4m them?

Atleast we admit that we did sumthing wrong by persecting bengalis (Zulfiqar the bastard persecuted them not we as in Pakistanis) and it ashames us... but where do u stand?
U say Kashmir is our fathers land and u stand on it like a bull rooted to the ground while kashmiris beg f4 freedom... they are constantly tortured by ur army. U luk only f4 a chance to put us down and make fun of us which is the sole reason of ur being here on this site but u ignore what u hav done urself and wat u are still doing.

:yahoo: Congratulations! U are proud... well continue being proud... continue being proud of the fact that indian muslim nationals are now taking pakistani passports, continue being proud of the fact that kashmiris never accepted ur govt. even though it has been 60 years and continue to being proud of ur gr8 history. :cheers:
 
so you basically mean those murders shud be pardoned bcoz you could have done worser..!!!

wat are u talking about? Read Properly. wen did i say any murderers shud be pardoned? Z.A.B is dead dude. He was killed by Zia ul haq, hanged like a dog... if u were talkin abt sumthin else lemme knw cauz u are'nt clear.
 
dimension,

What has Kashmir and what Indians do got to do with Bangaldesh Liberation and the atrocities?

Now, there is a feeling that some of the posters perpetuate that Pakistan is beyond a whiff of wrong doing and is purer than the driven snow. Therefore, don't you think there should dawn a sense of reality of existence amongst those who claim they are purer than driven snow and should they not remove the cobwebs of self delusion? And there are some who chuck in a few religious verses so that it shuts up all from debate!

1derful dlooshun! dat iz da storee.

Are we on the cell phone or mobile for SMS text? Awfully Dfikalt 2 fathom! And anyway I don't no SMS.

No country is perfect and that is the reality.
 
Salim sed: What has Kashmir and what Indians do got to do with Bangaldesh Liberation and the atrocities?

See thats what. u ignore the problems u gyz create and the abuses u are responsible f4 while u keep looking f4 a chance to pounce on us... U remember describing india as "a jungle of man-eating tigers?" Yes, thats whats going on, the "man-eating tigers" on this site are trying to eat us and we are defending ourselves! Just tell me straight why do u want to keep the circle of conversation on pakistan and its problems while completely ignoring or denying ur own... ppl in india are dying of proverty even as we speak picking food from gutters, farmers kill themselves because they can't grow enuf food and u are here giving us lessons and telling us what we did wrong.

Salim sed: Now, there is a feeling that some of the posters perpetuate that Pakistan is beyond a whiff of wrong doing and is purer than the driven snow. Therefore, don't you think there should dawn a sense of reality of existence amongst those who claim they are purer than driven snow and should they not remove the cobwebs of self delusion? And there are some who chuck in a few religious verses so that it shuts up all from debate!

<Man the posters knw we did a wrong thing by killing those bengalis but it was on the orders of a corrupt power-hungry bastard but they don't want to admit it to an opportunist audiance! Furthermore u are trying to exagerate events. thousands were killed yeah but not millions...Anyway we did say that we were wrong... u gyz cannot even say that even though u have been wrong many more times than we were... Instead u are carrying ur head high like sum gr8 hypocrate superstar infact happy f4 ur countries history and then u also try to dodge questions like kashmir and discrimination in ur own country. Salim i hav never heard u say anything bad about ur country or admit that the illegal occupation of kashmir against the popular will of the people is wrong even if u believe it and then u want us Pakistanis to talk all day about the wrong that was done becuz of a heretic bastard like z.bhutto? I find it hard to respect u, dude>

No country is perfect and that is the reality.

<Ya i never sed that but i can say that our countries history and our peoples purposes are much cleaner than yours!>
 
Look I am used to normal drills followed by forums i.e. quotes and proper English.

It is immensely difficult to follow your type of spelling since it is quite taxing especially when it is not your first language as is obvious.

And then you don't use quote boxes, leaving the other searching for the quotes.

It is 1229 hours here i.e.midnight half nearly. Will come back to answer your queries.
 
Look I am used to normal drills followed by forums i.e. quotes and proper English.

It is immensely difficult to follow your type of spelling since it is quite taxing especially when it is not your first language as is obvious.

And then you don't use quote boxes, leaving the other searching for the quotes.

It is 1229 hours here i.e.midnight half nearly. Will come back to answer your queries.

:flame: Salim on Fire!

You know what i am used to... i am used to playing futball in bed. Anyway how is the "jungle full of tigers" salim? Oh yeah and thats a gud way to dodge a hard question... i cud'nt read it! Ya, ya very taxing... the difficulties that u went thru trying to decipher "the secret message" shatter my hart... i know it must have been like waging a jihad reading that "impossible to read post" The post must also have been in invinsible ink... Oh its so late at night! 12.29! U really shud go to sleep now... its too late. Don't u have parents who tell u to go to sleep earlier and tuck u into bed and kiss u gudbye?... My parents wud KILL me if i did'nt go to sleep at :rolleyes:... 10 i guess. It is so gr8 to find a friend from our neighboring country. I mean it impresses me, how u come to this site every single day just to show LUUUVVE to ur Pakistani brothers. Ur determination and commitment to having good Relationships with ur Pakistani brothers across the border and ur :rolleyes: supporting our nation with ur amazing views bring tears to my eyes (of happiness of course).

Salim is the "Tiger of Peace" If ppl follow his lead the world will be a better place

Keep it up! Now cauz i am here i think u shud try the "dodging" more often :enjoy:
 
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