Counter-MMRCA Strategy of PAF

[帅的一匹]

of course, the best counter is FC-20.

 

[jagjitnatt]

of course, the best counter is FC-20.

The only counter to MMRCA would be J-20.

FC-20 or J-10 doesn't have the performance required to match Rafale. J-10 is more closer to Mirage 2000-5 or Mig-29SMT

 

[Skull and Bones]

Pakistan should lobby for F-35s putting WoT as a bargaining chip. That'd do the trick.

 

[Windjammer]

The only counter to MMRCA would be J-20.

FC-20 or J-10 doesn't have the performance required to match Rafale. J-10 is more closer to Mirage 2000-5 or Mig-29SMT

Unlike the Rafale, the EF Typhoon is considered as the best air superiority fighter today, considering that while flying the 80s era F-16s, the PAF achieved three kills in as many packages against the EF, I wouldn't rate the Rafale in such high esteem.

 

[notorious_eagle]

The only counter to MMRCA would be J-20.

FC-20 or J-10 doesn't have the performance required to match Rafale. J-10 is more closer to Mirage 2000-5 or Mig-29SMT

J20 is a fifth generation solution and would be a perfect counter for the PAK FA and not the Rafale.

A combination of improved avionics, sensors and weapons systems based on the J10 would be a perfect counter to the MMRCA. This appears to be the strategy that the PAF is following as the technical details have been finalized, PAF is now holding negotiations regarding the financial aspects of the plane. PAF will not be receiving the basic J10A and will be receiving a customized version of the J10 which will be built according to PAF's needs.

Unlike the Rafale, the EF Typhoon is considered as the best air superiority fighter today, considering that while flying the 80s era F-16s, the PAF achieved three kills in as many packages against the EF, I wouldn't rate the Rafale in such high esteem.

Rafale is a wonderful plane and definitely the best technology that France can offer. The reason PAF pilots were able to score those kills against the EF is due to PAF's proficiency in WVR combat, while NATO Air Forces(except US) have been practising fighting in BVR combat. Dont underestimate the Rafale, its a superb plane and i can assure you PAF is not underestimating this plane.

 

[Windjammer]

Rafale is a wonderful plane and definitely the best technology that France can offer. The reason PAF pilots were able to score those kills against the EF is due to PAF's proficiency in WVR combat, while NATO Air Forces(except US) have been practising fighting in BVR combat. Dont underestimate the Rafale, its a superb plane and i can assure you PAF is not underestimating this plane.

Indeed it's a superb piece of technology, but comparing it with the likes of J-20, which is just in proto type phase, is a bit excessive to say the least.

 

[trident2010]

The best option for the pak is to increase its air defense capabilities and try to delay the aircraft engagements until the last moment. In this way IAF strike can be hold for longer duration. If the we consider symmetrical a2a engagement with IAF then the hope for PAF is very less.

As far as countering MMRCA is concerned, since it is slated for air to ground scenario, again boosting air defenses is the PAF only option. If we are saying that JF-17, F-16, J-10 take MMRCA down by A2A route, then we will have to add MKI's, Mig-29, LCA into the equation, since MMRCA won't be flying alone for the ground strike.

 

[rockstarIN]

Unlike the Rafale, the EF Typhoon is considered as the best air superiority fighter today, considering that while flying the 80s era F-16s, the PAF achieved three kills in as many packages against the EF, I wouldn't rate the Rafale in such high esteem.

What is the point? Indian Mig 21s won against USAF F-16s and F-15 in exercises in India. It does not mean that Migs are superior at all.

On Topic :- PAF should evolve a strategy of Swedish or Belgium ...even if their prime assets are destroyed, there should be jets which can fly from motor ways and scattered all over the country. Gripen was made keeping this on mind.

 

[Devianz]

Unlike the Rafale, the EF Typhoon is considered as the best air superiority fighter today, considering that while flying the 80s era F-16s, the PAF achieved three kills in as many packages against the EF, I wouldn't rate the Rafale in such high esteem.

Been hearing this for a long time. So far, baring simulations non of the real world engagements between the two like combat exercises and combat evaluations by different nations have put EFT on top of Rafale. Rafale has proved time and again that it is a better A to A package than EFT.

 

[Free Soul]

The only counter to MMRCA would be J-20.

FC-20 or J-10 doesn't have the performance required to match Rafale. J-10 is more closer to Mirage 2000-5 or Mig-29SMT

Any counter strategy requires careful considerations in terms of

One’s own Budget/funds availability.
One’s own Current Arsenal and capabilities.
Current programs.
Future aspirations of the likely adversary.
Current capabilities of the adversary.
Adversary’s Current programs.

Even if J-20 was available today it would not have been considered to counter MMRCA by the Pak military strategists. For one of the biggest reason Over Kill.
I think MKIs were inducted to IAF around 2004 correct me if i am wrong. 5 year deliberation on MMRCA.
PAF military strategists made sure that the BVR threat negation would require current and future fleet to be BVR capable (detailed by the OP) compliment with procurement of AWACS.

Even a few Blk 52+ give a exponential strength in the ranks.
Also upgraded Blk 15s to MLU with upgraded APG-66 radar/APG-68 (v)9 –[Main advantage use of AIM-7 Sparrow and AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles] – APG-68(v)9 the best Radar after AESA that are used for Block 60.
Just for an example - Going for APG-66 / APG-68 (v)9 making our Block 15s to carry 120 AMRAAM is a great value for money.
F-16 A MLUs are exceptional dogfighters, And in a defensive role with BVR upgrades and under AWACS umbrella providing Detection, EW (jamming of sensors, etc.) F-16s would cause massive headache to the adversary.

Pakistan has been clever in choosing the required options rather going for an over kill.
On Balance the freedom that J-10B gives us outweighs the benefits of western aircrafts.
Hopefully with better avionics , AESA radar etc. J-10B would be a delight.

 

[deckingraj]

Unlike the Rafale, the EF Typhoon is considered as the best air superiority fighter today, considering that while flying the 80s era F-16s, the PAF achieved three kills in as many packages against the EF, I wouldn't rate the Rafale in such high esteem.

IMHO Rafale is not going to be performing the Air-Superiority role..I think that job is of MKI's and Rafale will mostly be used for Air-to-Ground role...Secondly kills is not always the best way to weight which Aircraft is best especially in mock games...So many factors that can lead to kills which may or may not be relevant in real game....The same F-16 has scored a kill over F-22 as well....As far as IAF is concerned they have chose Rafale over Typhoon...In short our air-force feels that Rafale is the best fit for our needs in the cheapest possible manner...This doesn't prove Typhoon is lesser then Rafale but in the same token doesn't mean Typhoon is necessarily better then Rafale...

 

[SQ8]

On Topic :- PAF should evolve a strategy of Swedish or Belgium ...even if their prime assets are destroyed, there should be jets which can fly from motor ways and scattered all over the country. Gripen was made keeping this on mind.

The PAF is way ahead of your idea.The JFT's have similar T/O and landing performances to the Gripen..
So in a way the backbone of the PAF fleet is capable of being scattered across remote airstrips.

 

[Windjammer]

Been hearing this for a long time. So far, baring simulations non of the real world engagements between the two like combat exercises and combat evaluations by different nations have put EFT on top of Rafale. Rafale has proved time and again that it is a better A to A package than EFT.

You see not long ago, Indian members labelled the MKI as the Asian Rapptor....suddenly the Rafale has bebcome the next best thing since sliced bread, there is no limit to one's envy.....just wondering in it's commitments around the globe, why does the French air force tends to go for Mirage-2000s for air superiority while Rafale is usually deployed for ground support role. ??

 

[deckingraj]

You see not long ago, Indian members labelled the MKI as the Asian Rapptor....suddenly the Rafale has bebcome the next best thing since sliced bread, there is no limit to one's envy.....just wondering in it's commitments around the globe, why does the French air force tends to go for Mirage-2000s for air superiority while Rafale is usually deployed for ground support role. ??

Rafale is an excellent Air-To-Ground Aircraft...but does that mean it is not good in Air-to-Air role??? What kind of argument is that??? It is a true multi-role air-craft however it is more deadly in Air-to-Ground role...Secondly MKI's are still our best plane...As far as Rafale is concerned they cannot be compared because in IAF colors both are going to perform different roles...

 

[帅的一匹]

The only counter to MMRCA would be J-20.

FC-20 or J-10 doesn't have the performance required to match Rafale. J-10 is more closer to Mirage 2000-5 or Mig-29SMT

whatever you say....